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44% actually
Given that BA employ 13000 crew and only 5751 said yes then its well under half the workforce voting to strike.
Given that BA employ 13000 crew and only 5751 said yes then its well under half the workforce voting to strike.
What was the total number of YES votes last time?
Anyone know or have a link please?
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A bit of an in-betweener this one. Not really a big stick to beat BA with, but still a large number of unhappy ccrew. Lets hope that FINALLY Unite and BA come up with an offer that is put to the membership
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0.0 _ Invalid vote (conducted by UNITE?) 16 November - 14 December 2009
_____________________Total__Yes____No___Spoiled__Not returned
Number of ballot papers 12780__ 9514 ___770____2______2494
Percentages__________100%_-_74.0%__6.0%__0.01%___19.5%
1.0 _ Valid vote (conducted by the Electoral Reform Service) 25 January - 22 February 2010
_____________________Total__Yes____No___Spoiled__Not returned
Number of ballot papers_11691_ 7482 __1789___11______2409
Percentages__________100%_-_64.0%_15.3%__0.1%___20.6%
2.0 _ New Contract offered by BA. reported by the Electoral Reform Service on 20 July 2010
_____________________Total___Yes___No___Spoiled_Not returned
Number of ballot papers_11311__1686__3419___3______6203
Percentages__________ 100%_-15.0%_30.2%_-0.03%__54.8%
3.0 _ Strike Ballot 21 December 2010 - 21 January 2011
_____________________Total___Yes___No___Spoiled_Not returned
Number of ballot papers_10220__5751__1579___5______2885
Percentages__________ 100%_-56.3%_15.5%_-0.05%__28.2%
Kindly provided by notlangely on the SLF thread.
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Don't quite know what that 2.0 vote was, because it was not put to vote, may have been an internal one over the internet. The one that they could see who you were because it was on their website, I think..
_____________________Total__Yes____No___Spoiled__Not returned
Number of ballot papers 12780__ 9514 ___770____2______2494
Percentages__________100%_-_74.0%__6.0%__0.01%___19.5%
1.0 _ Valid vote (conducted by the Electoral Reform Service) 25 January - 22 February 2010
_____________________Total__Yes____No___Spoiled__Not returned
Number of ballot papers_11691_ 7482 __1789___11______2409
Percentages__________100%_-_64.0%_15.3%__0.1%___20.6%
2.0 _ New Contract offered by BA. reported by the Electoral Reform Service on 20 July 2010
_____________________Total___Yes___No___Spoiled_Not returned
Number of ballot papers_11311__1686__3419___3______6203
Percentages__________ 100%_-15.0%_30.2%_-0.03%__54.8%
3.0 _ Strike Ballot 21 December 2010 - 21 January 2011
_____________________Total___Yes___No___Spoiled_Not returned
Number of ballot papers_10220__5751__1579___5______2885
Percentages__________ 100%_-56.3%_15.5%_-0.05%__28.2%
Kindly provided by notlangely on the SLF thread.
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Don't quite know what that 2.0 vote was, because it was not put to vote, may have been an internal one over the internet. The one that they could see who you were because it was on their website, I think..
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Importantly then:
Feb 2010, 7482 votes to strike
Jan 2011, 5751 votes to strike
Only 77% of the number of strike votes from last year
vs
An even larger and more prepared VCC community.
Doesn't look too healthy to me.
Feb 2010, 7482 votes to strike
Jan 2011, 5751 votes to strike
Only 77% of the number of strike votes from last year
vs
An even larger and more prepared VCC community.
Doesn't look too healthy to me.
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Your so right.
Only yesterday I flew with a steward and I mentioned that Bill was giving answers to questions on a blog that day.
He looked at me and said 'why would I be reading what he has to say' and of course I told him that it is important to hear both sides and that a query he might have may be answered.
Just showing you what BA is up against.
Some of them, and he was a really good crew member, just won't even look at anything BA says let alone try and understand it.
Only yesterday I flew with a steward and I mentioned that Bill was giving answers to questions on a blog that day.
He looked at me and said 'why would I be reading what he has to say' and of course I told him that it is important to hear both sides and that a query he might have may be answered.
Just showing you what BA is up against.
Some of them, and he was a really good crew member, just won't even look at anything BA says let alone try and understand it.
Alas, Betty Girl you are so right - regarding the total lack of willingness by crew to look at both sides of the argument.
Coupled with all the blatant lies and mis-information that has spouted from the bassa machine, I do not hold out much hope for a 'pleasant' settlement.
Now that the Legal people are in charge, just maybe we might see some much more decisive action from BA.
The 'softly, softly' approach has enabled BA to look good in the public eyes, but surely it must be time for BA to make a 'statement'!
Coupled with all the blatant lies and mis-information that has spouted from the bassa machine, I do not hold out much hope for a 'pleasant' settlement.
Now that the Legal people are in charge, just maybe we might see some much more decisive action from BA.
The 'softly, softly' approach has enabled BA to look good in the public eyes, but surely it must be time for BA to make a 'statement'!
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Can I ask a question.
If, and I don't think they will, BA go down the sacking route, do they have to sack people immediately they strike or can they wait till the end of the IA and then sack all those that striked all at the same time?
Just was wondering.
If, and I don't think they will, BA go down the sacking route, do they have to sack people immediately they strike or can they wait till the end of the IA and then sack all those that striked all at the same time?
Just was wondering.
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Cabin crew dispute - latest information
Last updated: 16:20, 21 January 2011 (UK time)
We are disappointed that Unite, the trade union for British Airways (BA) cabin crew, has announced that the ballot has resulted in a vote approving strike action.
Unite has not set any dates for the proposed strike action.
We have strong contingency plans in place and should industrial action take place:
Unite must give seven days’ notice of any proposed strike action.
So, nothing along the usual lines of "We remain available to talk". Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but could BA's approach this time round be a simple "OK, so get on with it then"?
That would seem to be a way of breaking the tiresome rounds of talks - agreement - dissagreement - ballot - talks - and so-on and so-on, seemingly ad-finitum.
TW blew it last time by promising something that he then couldn't deliver. That'd seem to make any further talks pretty pointless from BA's point of view.
Last updated: 16:20, 21 January 2011 (UK time)
We are disappointed that Unite, the trade union for British Airways (BA) cabin crew, has announced that the ballot has resulted in a vote approving strike action.
Unite has not set any dates for the proposed strike action.
We have strong contingency plans in place and should industrial action take place:
- We will operate a normal schedule at London Gatwick and London City
- We aim to fly 100 per cent of our longhaul flights to and from London Heathrow
- We aim to fly the majority of our shorthaul flights to and from London Heathrow
Unite must give seven days’ notice of any proposed strike action.
So, nothing along the usual lines of "We remain available to talk". Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but could BA's approach this time round be a simple "OK, so get on with it then"?
That would seem to be a way of breaking the tiresome rounds of talks - agreement - dissagreement - ballot - talks - and so-on and so-on, seemingly ad-finitum.
TW blew it last time by promising something that he then couldn't deliver. That'd seem to make any further talks pretty pointless from BA's point of view.
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BG, I believe they could do either. In the eyes of the law it would be eminently reasonable to concentrate on managing the business during the strike, and sorting out HR issues afterwards.
I also don't think they will sack. They may well issue 90 day notice of contract termination, with anybody not signing a new contract by 90 days deemed to have resigned. I would expect a new contract to look similar to the individual offer, maybe adjusted for strike costs.
All IMHO, of course. Any sensible union would be looking for a peace deal at this point. Can't see it happening tho!!
I also don't think they will sack. They may well issue 90 day notice of contract termination, with anybody not signing a new contract by 90 days deemed to have resigned. I would expect a new contract to look similar to the individual offer, maybe adjusted for strike costs.
All IMHO, of course. Any sensible union would be looking for a peace deal at this point. Can't see it happening tho!!
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give me a vcc than a xxxx any day!
It looks like a no lose situation for me and the BA backers and we represent the majority of crew. I have no stats but if the planes aint grounded then BASSA lose.
Looking forward to OT, preferential rostering for part-timers who come in and a better working enviroment from all angles.
I call on all those going to work to stay calm, keep your intensions to yourself and let the executive deal with the heat from BASSA. Unfortunately there are a few intimidatory attitudes amoungst the BASSA mentalists. None of them live in the Hood so I'm safe.
Looking forward to OT, preferential rostering for part-timers who come in and a better working enviroment from all angles.
I call on all those going to work to stay calm, keep your intensions to yourself and let the executive deal with the heat from BASSA. Unfortunately there are a few intimidatory attitudes amoungst the BASSA mentalists. None of them live in the Hood so I'm safe.
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I don't remember anything like this on ba.com the last time(s) - just on the BA intranet and in press releases.
On the intranet this time:
We urge Unite to return to the deal we negotiated, which guarantees pay rises for the next two years and secures terms and conditions for our existing crew that are the best in the UK industry.
So, nothing along the usual lines of "We remain available to talk".
On the intranet this time:
We urge Unite to return to the deal we negotiated, which guarantees pay rises for the next two years and secures terms and conditions for our existing crew that are the best in the UK industry.
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I think Willie Walsh will still be involved because in a web chat yesterday Bill Francis gave this answer when asked if the new head of Customer Experience Directorate Frank Van de Post (who has joined BA from the Jumeirah group and started yesterday and becomes Bill's new boss) will be involved .
and this was his reply :-
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Tony Woodley, Unite's general secretary, has said he will delay his retirement to continue his involvement in the dispute until it is settled.
Equally, Willie Walsh has said he will continue to be available to assist myself and our industrial relations team, as he has done throughout the last two years.
It is right that we proceed in this way, which allows Keith Williams and his new leadership team including Frank, to focus on how we will strengthen the quality of our services to customers in the years ahead, long after this dispute is over.
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and this was his reply :-
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Tony Woodley, Unite's general secretary, has said he will delay his retirement to continue his involvement in the dispute until it is settled.
Equally, Willie Walsh has said he will continue to be available to assist myself and our industrial relations team, as he has done throughout the last two years.
It is right that we proceed in this way, which allows Keith Williams and his new leadership team including Frank, to focus on how we will strengthen the quality of our services to customers in the years ahead, long after this dispute is over.
Thanks
Bill
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Oh well... Here we go again.
See all my non-union and non-striking colleagues, plus our VCC's at work. Just a normal day.
See all my non-union and non-striking colleagues, plus our VCC's at work. Just a normal day.
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Calling a strike with some sort of code - but all members actually turn-up thereby causing the disruption for BA (cancelling of flights - calling in temps and VCC) but not actually striking.
Keeps the membership effectively risk-free but causes some logistical problems for BA.
That'd be my guess
Keeps the membership effectively risk-free but causes some logistical problems for BA.
That'd be my guess
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Well there is a chaos video (a few pages back there is a link) that was used by a few American cabin crew particularly Alaskan airlines, so maybe that is what he is thinking of but that would not be legal in the uk.
As they have to provide dates for strikes over here, all BA have to do is have VCC on standby in the CRC and hotel near by, to be able to cover any action.
As they have to provide dates for strikes over here, all BA have to do is have VCC on standby in the CRC and hotel near by, to be able to cover any action.