Passenger taking liberties
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Passenger taking liberties
2/25, graveyard flight TK1355 out of Astana to Istanbul, departs at 0500, lands at 0640, 4 hours of flight.
My wife is sitting next to some Russian guy, she called me after landing that she woke up at least three occasions because the guy "by coincidence" had his hands on her, and I don't mean casual brush, I mean cleavage, inside thighs, etc.
She even woke up at some point finding that the guy had unbuckled her seat belt (she always wears her seat belt, bless her).
I told her she should have informed the flight crew. She didn't, because the flight was fully packed (incl the front of the curtain), so she thought they could't do anything about it, such like moving the guy to another seat.
What can you do in this case? What would have happened if she had contacted the flight crew? I'm certain that the crew would have found a quick solution to this problem: I'm a fairly heavy user of THY flights (got the card to prove it) and have always found their staff courteous and professional.
My wife is sitting next to some Russian guy, she called me after landing that she woke up at least three occasions because the guy "by coincidence" had his hands on her, and I don't mean casual brush, I mean cleavage, inside thighs, etc.
She even woke up at some point finding that the guy had unbuckled her seat belt (she always wears her seat belt, bless her).
I told her she should have informed the flight crew. She didn't, because the flight was fully packed (incl the front of the curtain), so she thought they could't do anything about it, such like moving the guy to another seat.
What can you do in this case? What would have happened if she had contacted the flight crew? I'm certain that the crew would have found a quick solution to this problem: I'm a fairly heavy user of THY flights (got the card to prove it) and have always found their staff courteous and professional.
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If your lady would've come to me to tell me what happened, i would have have swapped you (move her to your seat and you to her seat). Provided the flight was full, there isn't much you can do.
Having said that, at her request i would ask for the police to meet the a/c on arrival.
This guy's behavior was highly inappropriate; i am surprised she didn't inform the crew and she put up with it. It's good she told you after you landed as i assume you would've gone "off on one" to protect the wife, which is understandable given the circumstances.
Hope it never happens ever again
Having said that, at her request i would ask for the police to meet the a/c on arrival.
This guy's behavior was highly inappropriate; i am surprised she didn't inform the crew and she put up with it. It's good she told you after you landed as i assume you would've gone "off on one" to protect the wife, which is understandable given the circumstances.
Hope it never happens ever again
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I didn't do anything, as I wasn't on the flight. She was traveling alone, as I am still stuck in Astana.
I checked her in on-line the day before, so she could get a seat next to the window. When check in is done at the desk, do they try to seat women next to other women, or is passenger seating totally random (not that I'm advocating gender segregated flights), but can you request not to be seated next to a man?
I checked her in on-line the day before, so she could get a seat next to the window. When check in is done at the desk, do they try to seat women next to other women, or is passenger seating totally random (not that I'm advocating gender segregated flights), but can you request not to be seated next to a man?
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Oh sorry Alcedo, i thought you were in the flight.
Well in that case, i would've tried to find a massive bloke and swap him with your wife. Doubt it very much the person in cause would've dared to touch him
As for seating, i have no clue as i don't work in that part of the world.
I was just stating what i would've done should it happen in my flight.
Nonetheless, your wife should have informed the crew. What he did is unacceptable.
Sorry if i'm not being of much help.
I second that.
Well in that case, i would've tried to find a massive bloke and swap him with your wife. Doubt it very much the person in cause would've dared to touch him
As for seating, i have no clue as i don't work in that part of the world.
I was just stating what i would've done should it happen in my flight.
Nonetheless, your wife should have informed the crew. What he did is unacceptable.
Sorry if i'm not being of much help.
It might sound weird, but if I was a woman and something like that happened, I wouldn't/couldn't fall asleep again after the first time...
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"It might sound weird, but if I was a woman and something like that happened, I wouldn't/couldn't fall asleep again after the first time..."
Well, this was the 0500h out of Astana, so we were up all night packing, she left for the airport at 0300 with no sleep at all.
Also, the first time, it was a minor "accidental" brush, she shrugged it off as a coincidence, the second time it became really suspicious, and after the third time including the safety belt, I doubt she closed an eye.
Well, this was the 0500h out of Astana, so we were up all night packing, she left for the airport at 0300 with no sleep at all.
Also, the first time, it was a minor "accidental" brush, she shrugged it off as a coincidence, the second time it became really suspicious, and after the third time including the safety belt, I doubt she closed an eye.
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I don't want to sound like I was implying anything, as it clearly isn't the case. But even a simple "accidental brush" as a man would keep me from sleeping, as I don't believe in such things happening in a plane by accident.
Anyway, I hope she's fine...russians (and citizens of ex. CCCP) can easily become annoying aboard airplanes for many different reasons !
Anyway, I hope she's fine...russians (and citizens of ex. CCCP) can easily become annoying aboard airplanes for many different reasons !
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If she didn't want to notify CC what was going on, it will only allow him to try and do it again... OHHHH please let him wind up next to me on one of my flights 
I guarantee you he will NOT do it again !
In between being " really suspicious" and the seat belt removal" she should of told him she was on her way to Istanbul for a followup appointment with the doctor that did her sex change operation or better yet, tell him dont get too close, the scabies is just now beginning to heal. If all that fails, passing gas is great as is digging for gold in the nose to turn off and away the bravest of touchy feely guys ( read that in Cosmo).
I guarantee you he will NOT do it again ! In between being " really suspicious" and the seat belt removal" she should of told him she was on her way to Istanbul for a followup appointment with the doctor that did her sex change operation or better yet, tell him dont get too close, the scabies is just now beginning to heal. If all that fails, passing gas is great as is digging for gold in the nose to turn off and away the bravest of touchy feely guys ( read that in Cosmo).
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This might possibly sound a little strange but, had I been sitting, for example, in the aisle next to your wife, I would have swop the seat with her if she just said the man was molesting her. A bit like giving up your seat for a lady on the unterbahn.....or has that habit entirely died...but I suppose the flight was full of the Kazakhs, the Turks and the odd Russian. Very susceptible to melancholia, the Russians, perhaps that was his problem a melancholic dream?
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I think I would have gone to the loo and discreetly inform CC. They could then monitor him discreetly and, if there is proof that the passenger is actually molesting the lady (I mean, they could be mad at each other and the lady could be making things up, and it wouldn't be the first time (not saying that's what happened to your wife, Alcedo, obviousy)) then consider that as an offence being commited on an a/c, requesting police presence on landing and in the meanwhile, sitting the sicko on a jumpseat under surveillance. Not sure if this is possible, as I am not CC. I am also not a woman, but I know girls who have been victims of unwanted sexual advances, and it is really something that needs to be stopped as soon as it starts.
Regarding seat allocation, a passenger is given the seat basing on their preference (aisle, window, etc), or availability. If a passenger asks me not to be seated next to a man/woman, as sometimes happens mainly for religious restrictions, I will try to help, but we don't have to honour this. If there are no more seats available, we are not supposed to start moving people around in order to conform to the passenger's demands. They have the options of politely ask on board or to decide not to travel on that service. As far as I am concerned, there are only a few reasons why operational compulsory seat changes are justified, like passengers with a fused leg, passengers in need of wheelchair assistance when the only seats available are on the upper deck, children under 12 being separated from an accompanying adult, or infants seated on seats with no infant oxigen mask, among other). Then again, in the case of, say, your wife asking me if there is the possibility of not seating her next to a man because she has had a previous disturbing experience, I would use my discretion and do my best to help her without causing much trouble to other passengers. Not sure if I will be able to do it in the future, as companies rely more and more on self-service and minimal human intervention, and, let's face it, a computer doesn't have that kind of empathy.
Now, I know this is going to sound a bit sexist, but I wouldn't be suspicious about a woman asking me not to be seated next to a man, but I would be about a bloke asking me please to be seated next to a woman.
Regarding seat allocation, a passenger is given the seat basing on their preference (aisle, window, etc), or availability. If a passenger asks me not to be seated next to a man/woman, as sometimes happens mainly for religious restrictions, I will try to help, but we don't have to honour this. If there are no more seats available, we are not supposed to start moving people around in order to conform to the passenger's demands. They have the options of politely ask on board or to decide not to travel on that service. As far as I am concerned, there are only a few reasons why operational compulsory seat changes are justified, like passengers with a fused leg, passengers in need of wheelchair assistance when the only seats available are on the upper deck, children under 12 being separated from an accompanying adult, or infants seated on seats with no infant oxigen mask, among other). Then again, in the case of, say, your wife asking me if there is the possibility of not seating her next to a man because she has had a previous disturbing experience, I would use my discretion and do my best to help her without causing much trouble to other passengers. Not sure if I will be able to do it in the future, as companies rely more and more on self-service and minimal human intervention, and, let's face it, a computer doesn't have that kind of empathy.
Now, I know this is going to sound a bit sexist, but I wouldn't be suspicious about a woman asking me not to be seated next to a man, but I would be about a bloke asking me please to be seated next to a woman.
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I have been reading this thread and just keep coming back to the same conclusion.
As a woman, as crew, as a frequent single traveller my course of action would be the same - first time, maybe a bit of doubt, did that really happen? But after that I feel a word or two, for example, 'Get your f****ing hands away from me' might have done the trick!! And either he or I would have been moving seats.
As a woman, as crew, as a frequent single traveller my course of action would be the same - first time, maybe a bit of doubt, did that really happen? But after that I feel a word or two, for example, 'Get your f****ing hands away from me' might have done the trick!! And either he or I would have been moving seats.
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A Middle East-based CC friend of mine travelling off duty to London awoke to find the bloke in the seat behind with his hand through the gap grabbing her breast.
She did tell the crew and he was escorted off the plane by the old bill at LHR.
She was summoned weeks later to attending the court case and her company gave her paid leave and free flight and accommodation to go and testify at this "important Indian businessman's" trial (that's what he told her to try and scare her).
He was fined a large chunk and suspended sentence if I remember.
ZERO tolerance. It's the only acceptable way. No-one has the right to invade your personal space, although the arm-rest is obviously a free for all.
She did tell the crew and he was escorted off the plane by the old bill at LHR.
She was summoned weeks later to attending the court case and her company gave her paid leave and free flight and accommodation to go and testify at this "important Indian businessman's" trial (that's what he told her to try and scare her).
He was fined a large chunk and suspended sentence if I remember.
ZERO tolerance. It's the only acceptable way. No-one has the right to invade your personal space, although the arm-rest is obviously a free for all.
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disgusting guy..
How absolutely horrible for ur wife! That guy should have been traveling in cargo instead! I'm cc, and if a pax tells me she doesn't want to sit next to a man I'd try to swap her seat. Most of them is willing to do that.. that request happens on a lot of Saudi flights by the way, obviously...
But what happend to her is not acceptable at all . If I was working and a pax did that my company would report him to the police. I'm sure he'd get a nasty punishment or heavy fines!
But what happend to her is not acceptable at all . If I was working and a pax did that my company would report him to the police. I'm sure he'd get a nasty punishment or heavy fines!
Something similar happened to my wife 7 years ago, except it was on a Lufty Airbus crossing the pond west to east. Middle of the night, sound asleep, she wakes when the male pax sitting next to her tries to get his hand inside her t-shirt (wife has a rather splendid set of norks; I've been admiring them for years)
Having a rather short-fused mediterranean temper, darling wife had no inclination to play nice so she grabbed her water bottle and flung it straight at his face with all the force she could muster. Which must have been quite considerable, since the bloke started bleeding rather badly from his nose. She next rises up (on the seat) and starts hitting and kicking the bloke, who's now in the fetal position and probably wishing he'd never touched her.
All this commotion obviously wakes up the other passengers, and one very large male comes over and ask what's up. Having twatted the guy enough, wife relays what has transpired whilst the offender is looking for a mousehole to creep into. Large male passenger must have thought the offender was way out of line, so just for good measure lands a fist in his face, causing more blood to spill and offender to yelp like a puppy.
By this time the FAs start running to the scene of the incident, learns about the incident and, with the willing help of large male pax, frog marches offender to the back of the aeroplane. Chief FA go sits with wife, offers her consolation and many apologies on behalf of him, his crew, Lufthansa and maybe even the German Volk in general. Wife it then promptly upgraded to First and pampered like a queen for the remainder of the flight.
Upon arrival in Frankfurt the polizei is in attendance, and having escorted wife to the Lufty First Lounge (she had a connecting flight) takes her statement, asking if she wishes to press charges, a question which is met with full agreement.
Offender is charged with, and sentenced for, intended rape in a court of law some months later. Got off with a rather large fine and a suspended sentence. Still, betcha his life must have been pretty much fracked after that.
Wife received a letter signed by the bossman of LH , apologising for the situation and offering to pay for any psychological help needed (none was, wife's a tough cookie) accompanied by a voucher for 2 x return F tickets to anywhere on the LH network.
We spent 2 nice weeks in Rio, eventually laughing at the whole ordeal - not least the bloody nose of the offender who, at the end of the day, didn't cop much of a feel.
Having a rather short-fused mediterranean temper, darling wife had no inclination to play nice so she grabbed her water bottle and flung it straight at his face with all the force she could muster. Which must have been quite considerable, since the bloke started bleeding rather badly from his nose. She next rises up (on the seat) and starts hitting and kicking the bloke, who's now in the fetal position and probably wishing he'd never touched her.
All this commotion obviously wakes up the other passengers, and one very large male comes over and ask what's up. Having twatted the guy enough, wife relays what has transpired whilst the offender is looking for a mousehole to creep into. Large male passenger must have thought the offender was way out of line, so just for good measure lands a fist in his face, causing more blood to spill and offender to yelp like a puppy.
By this time the FAs start running to the scene of the incident, learns about the incident and, with the willing help of large male pax, frog marches offender to the back of the aeroplane. Chief FA go sits with wife, offers her consolation and many apologies on behalf of him, his crew, Lufthansa and maybe even the German Volk in general. Wife it then promptly upgraded to First and pampered like a queen for the remainder of the flight.
Upon arrival in Frankfurt the polizei is in attendance, and having escorted wife to the Lufty First Lounge (she had a connecting flight) takes her statement, asking if she wishes to press charges, a question which is met with full agreement.
Offender is charged with, and sentenced for, intended rape in a court of law some months later. Got off with a rather large fine and a suspended sentence. Still, betcha his life must have been pretty much fracked after that.
Wife received a letter signed by the bossman of LH , apologising for the situation and offering to pay for any psychological help needed (none was, wife's a tough cookie) accompanied by a voucher for 2 x return F tickets to anywhere on the LH network.
We spent 2 nice weeks in Rio, eventually laughing at the whole ordeal - not least the bloody nose of the offender who, at the end of the day, didn't cop much of a feel.
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SMT Member ...sounds a good result. Had they landed in the UK she would mostl likely have been arrested and charged with assault and he would have been treated as the victim.
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Perhaps, but a broken nose followed by a frog march down the lenght of the cabin in view of all onboard, subsequent arrest by the police on arrival and receiving a sentence in a court of law does, at least in my mind, sound rather better than a spilling a bit of hot fluid.
Perhaps, but a broken nose followed by a frog march down the lenght of the cabin in view of all onboard, subsequent arrest by the police on arrival and receiving a sentence in a court of law does, at least in my mind, sound rather better than a spilling a bit of hot fluid.
