The Virgin Strike Thread (Merged)
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Amazing obviously all you people saying that we are going to make the airline go under, and that you accepted only 2% becuse you are such good workers!! i mean pathetic!! you are just naive and obviously have no pride in yourselves, focourse virgin has the money, can someone please ask ridgway and company how much they make, how much they have spent on every other aspect of the busineess except staff!!! please the money is just moved around all virgin fiscal paradises and virgin companies to show no profit!
That person who wrote we should all be externally employed, well i wont say it here but you can imagine what ill say to you!!! if they do that they can forget virgin service reputation, and they would have such hight turover it would be impossible to run it effectively!!!
You people are just pissed off that you acepted a miserable 2% and that we sticked together and fight, you obviously make too much money and can pay ur outgoings easily!
sorry but thats the truth.
That person who wrote we should all be externally employed, well i wont say it here but you can imagine what ill say to you!!! if they do that they can forget virgin service reputation, and they would have such hight turover it would be impossible to run it effectively!!!
You people are just pissed off that you acepted a miserable 2% and that we sticked together and fight, you obviously make too much money and can pay ur outgoings easily!
sorry but thats the truth.
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Apologies if already covered, but what is the situation with those chosing to strike down route? Will they expect their non striking co-workers to operate the flights home minimum crew? Will they be accomodated extra nights down routes at the company's cost. Can imagine some very angry non-strikers itching to get home after a 9 day HKG-SYD trip and being told that it is now a 11 day HKG-SYD
The company and Union have stated that strike action can only be taken by those on UK soil on the dates of the flight. If you are down route, you are to operate the flight home (assuming you have an aeroplane to fly home on). I imagine that refusal to do so will be a dismissal as you will be breaking the TERMS of the strike.
As for your plane not getting there, I've no idea, I'm sure that situation will be communicated to you at a later date.
As for how to sort sickness, I'd say Doctors note for any absence, or failing that, a visit to Occ Health to confirm that you are unfit to fly. Repeat offenders in a short period of time to be interviewed by their CPM, repeated inability to be able to fly (ie, unable to work say 1/5 of your rostered flights), removal from flying duties, and a ground based job, like check-in/crewing/dispatch etc for three months for you to apply to another area of the company or leave to pastures new. Just a suggestion
The company and Union have stated that strike action can only be taken by those on UK soil on the dates of the flight. If you are down route, you are to operate the flight home (assuming you have an aeroplane to fly home on). I imagine that refusal to do so will be a dismissal as you will be breaking the TERMS of the strike.
As for your plane not getting there, I've no idea, I'm sure that situation will be communicated to you at a later date.
As for how to sort sickness, I'd say Doctors note for any absence, or failing that, a visit to Occ Health to confirm that you are unfit to fly. Repeat offenders in a short period of time to be interviewed by their CPM, repeated inability to be able to fly (ie, unable to work say 1/5 of your rostered flights), removal from flying duties, and a ground based job, like check-in/crewing/dispatch etc for three months for you to apply to another area of the company or leave to pastures new. Just a suggestion
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Yes warkamn 1500+ crew get instanty dismissed (not selective ones) oh but hang on thats unfair dismissal if the company hasnt taken reasonable steps to settle the dispute, so, in short we keep on striking and any dismissal is unfair until the company takes reasonable steps. 
I didnt realise there were so many militants out there, or should that be disgruntled virgin atlantic cabin crew, aka the majority. This is a serious dose of reality to the company.
I didnt realise there were so many militants out there, or should that be disgruntled virgin atlantic cabin crew, aka the majority. This is a serious dose of reality to the company.
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This 'strike' will never happen, Galley F.M reports that its all bluff and that the CC will cave in at the last minute, the will isn't there to strike. They know VS can just employ more CC as there are enough deluded glamour chasers out there.
Sad, but true.
Sad, but true.
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tefi, outbound yes, but then the services the next day and the next and the next cant operate if there is no a/c there, look how the porgramme suffers when an a/c goes tech or there is a thunderstorm in orlando !!
Off out for mince pies now, they are on sale
Off out for mince pies now, they are on sale
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Amazing obviously all you people saying that we are going to make the airline go under, and that you accepted only 2% becuse you are such good workers!! i mean pathetic!! you are just naive and obviously have no pride in yourselves
A bit childish don't you think. I think you'll find we've got our eyes open as to what it costs to run a business and furthermore realise that just because the government raises cost of living, doesn't mean the company can get shafted because you believe you instantly deserve more.
focourse virgin has the money, can someone please ask ridgway and company how much they make, how much they have spent on every other aspect of the busineess except staff!!! please the money is just moved around all virgin fiscal paradises and virgin companies to show no profit!
Again, pure speculation, you have no evidence of this, if you have some produse it, until then, stop using Galley FM rumours. Rumours have no basis on how you should act now.
You people are just pissed off that you acepted a miserable 2% and that we sticked together and fight, you obviously make too much money and can pay ur outgoings easily!
Nope, right now I'm pissed of at you and your colleagues for dragging my job (and hundreds of others) into a position that if you guys had been sensible, we wouldn't be at. I, unlike you, do not expect to be automatically given money just because I'm alive and working for someone. Nobody should ever expect a yearly payrise, it happens if they (the company) can afford it.
I obviosly make too much money do I - well again far from the truth, what I however do is manage to pay my bills to eat, get to work, and keep a roof over my head. What I do little of is party, shop, have nice holidays etc etc, I pay the bills first, and wisely use the rest of my money to ensure that I don't have to stick it on the credit card.
This has not always the case and previously I've lived in dire shared accomodation to live, however, what did I do about it. I worked harder, moved jobs (several times), got more qualified, and made many sacrifices to get where I am now - its called life, and everyone has to do it. Me, my parents, their parents so on and so on. You can't just sit there, jump into a job straight from school (I'm making generalised point - not directed at crew) and expect that job to natuarally take you through life, providing myou with housing, cars and toys for the rest of your days - thats a fairytale!
Simple point, work hard, get paid, work harder - better yourself - get more QUALIFIED - get paid more.
Stop being childish, and forget thinking we are jealous of you, we are not!
A bit childish don't you think. I think you'll find we've got our eyes open as to what it costs to run a business and furthermore realise that just because the government raises cost of living, doesn't mean the company can get shafted because you believe you instantly deserve more.
focourse virgin has the money, can someone please ask ridgway and company how much they make, how much they have spent on every other aspect of the busineess except staff!!! please the money is just moved around all virgin fiscal paradises and virgin companies to show no profit!
Again, pure speculation, you have no evidence of this, if you have some produse it, until then, stop using Galley FM rumours. Rumours have no basis on how you should act now.
You people are just pissed off that you acepted a miserable 2% and that we sticked together and fight, you obviously make too much money and can pay ur outgoings easily!
Nope, right now I'm pissed of at you and your colleagues for dragging my job (and hundreds of others) into a position that if you guys had been sensible, we wouldn't be at. I, unlike you, do not expect to be automatically given money just because I'm alive and working for someone. Nobody should ever expect a yearly payrise, it happens if they (the company) can afford it.
I obviosly make too much money do I - well again far from the truth, what I however do is manage to pay my bills to eat, get to work, and keep a roof over my head. What I do little of is party, shop, have nice holidays etc etc, I pay the bills first, and wisely use the rest of my money to ensure that I don't have to stick it on the credit card.
This has not always the case and previously I've lived in dire shared accomodation to live, however, what did I do about it. I worked harder, moved jobs (several times), got more qualified, and made many sacrifices to get where I am now - its called life, and everyone has to do it. Me, my parents, their parents so on and so on. You can't just sit there, jump into a job straight from school (I'm making generalised point - not directed at crew) and expect that job to natuarally take you through life, providing myou with housing, cars and toys for the rest of your days - thats a fairytale!
Simple point, work hard, get paid, work harder - better yourself - get more QUALIFIED - get paid more.
Stop being childish, and forget thinking we are jealous of you, we are not!
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scooby, ur funny, thank god there is someone round here that has some sence round all this lot!! well dont wanna get into numbers but i do think most people will go on strike on the day!!
we just have to get the message across that its a MUST
to the other virgin staff chatting, I mean what planet you live in " virgin family" that is crap, ive been here 12 yrs plus and really cant hear anymore of that crap, we are employees, expendable, nuisance and to be workout till we cant cope, thats ALL company policy including this one, so if they are going to do it, i better get paid as much as i can, an you people in other departments better get too!!!!
we just have to get the message across that its a MUST
to the other virgin staff chatting, I mean what planet you live in " virgin family" that is crap, ive been here 12 yrs plus and really cant hear anymore of that crap, we are employees, expendable, nuisance and to be workout till we cant cope, thats ALL company policy including this one, so if they are going to do it, i better get paid as much as i can, an you people in other departments better get too!!!!
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Scooby,
you are living in an unreal world if you think 1500 "strikers" will happen.
The majority will fade as quick as the sun going down. If you get a couple of hundred prepared to sacrifice their jobs, their bank balances and their homes for a prolonged strike thet will be a "win" for you.
Ever heard of the Grunwick pickets, The Miners and the Rover workers? All of those are still with the companies they took action against are they not?
This is going to be quite amusing in one way, watching the hard core militants lose everything and (not at all amusing) the union Cabin crew taken down this road by these political animals NEVER getting the money they will lose back into their accounts and having to come back to work eventually with nothing to show, but bigger overdrafts and possibly the loss of their homes, to a quite possible smaller company with less jobs available.
As for the person posting as strike1, I am not allowed to call you a f
g dimwit by the rules of this forum.
you are living in an unreal world if you think 1500 "strikers" will happen.
The majority will fade as quick as the sun going down. If you get a couple of hundred prepared to sacrifice their jobs, their bank balances and their homes for a prolonged strike thet will be a "win" for you.
Ever heard of the Grunwick pickets, The Miners and the Rover workers? All of those are still with the companies they took action against are they not?
This is going to be quite amusing in one way, watching the hard core militants lose everything and (not at all amusing) the union Cabin crew taken down this road by these political animals NEVER getting the money they will lose back into their accounts and having to come back to work eventually with nothing to show, but bigger overdrafts and possibly the loss of their homes, to a quite possible smaller company with less jobs available.
As for the person posting as strike1, I am not allowed to call you a f
g dimwit by the rules of this forum.
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Strike1 - pleasant as always 
It is people like you who make me want to call up the company and offer to work more days to accomodate this strike. At least Scooby, who I disagree with most of the time, has the intelligence to argue his points in a far less vitriolic manner than you.
It is people like you who make me want to call up the company and offer to work more days to accomodate this strike. At least Scooby, who I disagree with most of the time, has the intelligence to argue his points in a far less vitriolic manner than you.
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I guess once again the proof will just have to be in he pudding (which incidentally are on sale too as well as mince pies
). Many thought the crew would accept the 2nd, 3rd, and there would be as a you call them a hardcore minority that would vote yes to strike. Each time the company has been mistaken despite all sorts of efforts[sic] to get an outcome it wanted.
Are you , KO, digi and everyone else not surprised at the strength of the vote ? I know I am, and pleasantly so. So even though 1500 crew voted strike, those that voted NO have now lost the deal on the table (which may have been an influence in their NO vote) , so what do they do now to ensure a payrise - there is only one choice ? It is possible that these people and those that didn't return ballots for fear of the sequence count may undertake action too.
food for thought !
Do you work for Virgin ?
I guess once again the proof will just have to be in he pudding (which incidentally are on sale too as well as mince pies
). Many thought the crew would accept the 2nd, 3rd, and there would be as a you call them a hardcore minority that would vote yes to strike. Each time the company has been mistaken despite all sorts of efforts[sic] to get an outcome it wanted.Are you , KO, digi and everyone else not surprised at the strength of the vote ? I know I am, and pleasantly so. So even though 1500 crew voted strike, those that voted NO have now lost the deal on the table (which may have been an influence in their NO vote) , so what do they do now to ensure a payrise - there is only one choice ? It is possible that these people and those that didn't return ballots for fear of the sequence count may undertake action too.
food for thought !
Do you work for Virgin ?
Forgive the order of the brown nose nature of this post but much as I may not have agreed with everything you have said scooby you certainly always give a balanced,reasonable and measured response to many posters,perhaps an example to us all,is there any bait you will rise to??saying that however I am more than a little concerned about what the future holds for VS,belts were being tightened enough as it was so all I can say is good luck to everyone out there regardless of what you were hoping for,but dont expect me to beep my horn when I drive past your picket line...
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In reply to coax...Just so you know, when the crew do go on strike they will not be getting paid....Hopefully now you will realise that we are not going into this matter just becouse we want an extra day off.
I think the point coax was trying to make was that some crew (not all) were under the impression that they would still be paid,even if they didnt fly.Obviously not all and I would hope not those that voted for a strike as that wouldnt inspire confidence as to what reasons you were striking.....be lucky
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oh but hang on thats unfair dismissal if the company hasnt taken reasonable steps to settle the dispute, so, in short we keep on striking and any dismissal is unfair until the company takes reasonable steps.
The law does not require Virgin to make any further offers. They can show that they have already negotiated with the union.
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@ Strike1
"Amazing obviously all you people saying that we are going to make the airline go under, and that you accepted only 2% becuse you are such good workers!! i mean pathetic!! you are just naive and obviously have no pride in yourselves"
charming! I think quite a few of us will remember that post in the not too distant future. If you're looking for support from those of us on the ground, you ain't gonna get it by being so rude.
I'd like to think I take pride in my job and myself. And for the record..........no I'm not naive either.
"Amazing obviously all you people saying that we are going to make the airline go under, and that you accepted only 2% becuse you are such good workers!! i mean pathetic!! you are just naive and obviously have no pride in yourselves"
charming! I think quite a few of us will remember that post in the not too distant future. If you're looking for support from those of us on the ground, you ain't gonna get it by being so rude.I'd like to think I take pride in my job and myself. And for the record..........no I'm not naive either.
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