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I'm not part of the Union, but am really annoyed about the holiday... I have more than 9 days I need to take due to various things but I know they will just expect me to give up my plans and my social life for work. Working in the aviation industry, be it for only 7 months, I have figured out that you expect the unexpected and don't complain. BUT I know I need these days off months and months in advance (1 day for a wedding, 4 days for a festival I have paid for and 2 weeks for a charity trip to Tanzania). Unfortunately my days off are not in the right place this year.
Is there anything I can say or do or email to anyone to help out??
Is there anything I can say or do or email to anyone to help out??
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Remember you can Take RDO's, thats one day sorted.
your 9 days off include your wrap around days, so you get 3 days off, 6 days leave, 3 days off, 3 days leave thats 15 days in a row, still a crap deal, but might help!
Also join the union!!!
your 9 days off include your wrap around days, so you get 3 days off, 6 days leave, 3 days off, 3 days leave thats 15 days in a row, still a crap deal, but might help!
Also join the union!!!
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I'll try getting the rdo's and seeing if that helps... my days off are the 3 days before I go away so they are useless 
Join the union... there was someone in the crew room trying to get us to join but I don't really know what it's about! Stupid thing to say I know!
Join the union... there was someone in the crew room trying to get us to join but I don't really know what it's about! Stupid thing to say I know!
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As yet I have not heard anymore, I am not actually in the union but a college/friend who is in the union is on the case.
As soon as I know more I will let you know.
As yet I have not heard anymore, I am not actually in the union but a college/friend who is in the union is on the case.
As soon as I know more I will let you know.
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Ok... so it seems that Co has backed down a little ... the months applicable to the restriction are just going to be July, August and September now... and it is a compromise... as our Cabin Crew Head calls it in today's email...
I am not sure if I am still convinced... does this still change our Contract Terms and Conditions?
Is it a compromise just for this year as the planning team may be foreseeing establishment difficulties with the integration of GB? ... should not all this be transparently negotiated? As far as my knowledge of English Law goes, setting precedent becomes printed law for future dealings.
Is this the easyJet spirit that CEO is feeding through or somewhere the chain has lost a ring somehow?
Santa Claus Helper, any ideas or insights?
I am not sure if I am still convinced... does this still change our Contract Terms and Conditions?
Is it a compromise just for this year as the planning team may be foreseeing establishment difficulties with the integration of GB? ... should not all this be transparently negotiated? As far as my knowledge of English Law goes, setting precedent becomes printed law for future dealings.
Is this the easyJet spirit that CEO is feeding through or somewhere the chain has lost a ring somehow?
Santa Claus Helper, any ideas or insights?
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I dont know the reasons fully for the 9 days leave booking but at least they have acted on feedback and done something. Many other airlines if they had changed leave and got feedback would of told you where to go Trust Me.
So to be fair at least something has been done, still not to everyone's cuppa tea.
Next year ALOT is happening, as you said Purple the situation with GB may have soemthing to do with the leave as we need to accomodate GB guys, fair one I think.
And of course the new entrants now on fixed term contracts, so the leave system has also got to be fair to them and their contract.
So to be fair at least something has been done, still not to everyone's cuppa tea.
Next year ALOT is happening, as you said Purple the situation with GB may have soemthing to do with the leave as we need to accomodate GB guys, fair one I think.
And of course the new entrants now on fixed term contracts, so the leave system has also got to be fair to them and their contract.
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Airbourne, I see where you are coming from with re. the fixed contract people and I admire you for that; we would all want to get a fair deal if we were in their shoes but what I doubt to be fair trade is giving my rights away so that someone else can have them. What we are talking about here is a management exercise; they are easy ways, filling one cup to empty another or carefully thought decisions that do not erode anyone's human right to a decent job.
As far as I understand "fixed term contracts" appeared in the employment arena to fill in gaps with re. peaks in work, so my understanding is that it is them who should have restrictions on Leave allocation, not us. I remember a while ago, this happened and permanent people were working their butts because temporary workers were taking their leave.
Management get a fair deal of rewards for a well-done job if company performance goes up... so please, let's encourage them to do their job the same way they expect us to do ours; they can put some more thinking time to this issue and I have no doubts they can come up with a much better quality decision, fairer to all.
Meanwhile, can I suggest to stand our ground; otherwise, next time we will be asked to give our sales comission towards the fuel burnt on go-arounds!
As far as I understand "fixed term contracts" appeared in the employment arena to fill in gaps with re. peaks in work, so my understanding is that it is them who should have restrictions on Leave allocation, not us. I remember a while ago, this happened and permanent people were working their butts because temporary workers were taking their leave.
Management get a fair deal of rewards for a well-done job if company performance goes up... so please, let's encourage them to do their job the same way they expect us to do ours; they can put some more thinking time to this issue and I have no doubts they can come up with a much better quality decision, fairer to all.
Meanwhile, can I suggest to stand our ground; otherwise, next time we will be asked to give our sales comission towards the fuel burnt on go-arounds!
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I don't work (and have no intention of working) for EZY - I am a mere bit of Self Loading Freight.
However, I was interested in the comment that EZY would have to buy the holidays off you.
It's a common misconception that holidays should be either taken or paid for. It's actually illegal to pay staff for not taking holidays. The working time directive is in place to ensure people take their holidays (ie time away from work). It is not an opportunity for an employee to sell their holidays to their employer, nor is it an avenue for the employer to get out of actualy giving the employee time off.
If your Union Rep is any good, then maybe get him/her to look into it.
However, I was interested in the comment that EZY would have to buy the holidays off you.
It's a common misconception that holidays should be either taken or paid for. It's actually illegal to pay staff for not taking holidays. The working time directive is in place to ensure people take their holidays (ie time away from work). It is not an opportunity for an employee to sell their holidays to their employer, nor is it an avenue for the employer to get out of actualy giving the employee time off.
If your Union Rep is any good, then maybe get him/her to look into it.
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They have backed down a bit which is on the right road, but it still doesn't help me for the leave that I need! When I try and do something about it I bet the response will be 'aviation get used to it' which I have actually been told before! I know we work in an unpredictable environment, but why should I sacrifice my personal life for the sake of work!! Plus the new rules don't help people with kids and summer holidays to fill! I don't see how GB Airways acquisition really affects it, all they need to do is limit the number of staff taking leave on each day which is what they did before.
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AGREE!
Psychobabble.....
I agree with you, especially when it comes to those of us who have served the airlines for a long time, and had children and with that comes about 7 weeks summer hols! (compulsory I might add!)
It is so hard to find childcare for any amount of time and difficult to spend quality time with your children without these kinds of restrictions being put on us! I wonder if the deciders of these restrictions have young children? If they do, I question their priorities maybe???
I agree with you, especially when it comes to those of us who have served the airlines for a long time, and had children and with that comes about 7 weeks summer hols! (compulsory I might add!)
It is so hard to find childcare for any amount of time and difficult to spend quality time with your children without these kinds of restrictions being put on us! I wonder if the deciders of these restrictions have young children? If they do, I question their priorities maybe???
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Hey Guys. I think the problem that the company have is how to make it fair for everybody..? We all know that 'sometimes' the people that decide these things tend to act first, then think about it later, then act again upon a re-think... I'm just pleased we can have leave in the summer, as at a previous company, we were'nt allowed to take any in the summer months! I never take leave in the summer months, just because everyone goes away then & it's far too expensive. I totally sympathise with the parents among us, but why should they be awarded leave to suit them, isn't that almost a form of discrimination against the people in the company that don't have children..? Just a thought... 
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I don't have children but I need 5 days in the month of July for a friends wedding and a festival that I had already bought the ticket for... then in September I am doing a Trek up Kilimanjaro for charity and it's 2 weeks. I understand your point about it being busy and expensive in the summer, but why should I sacrifice one of the things I am doing in the summer months (september isn't even summer and the kids are back at school) just because someone somewhere has decided to put a limit on the holiday allowed? I didnt take ANY holiday in the summer last year, I started in May and the first days off I booked were in October so why should I miss out on my events when I worked hard for EJ all of last summer!!
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My only suggestion if the leave issue affects certain booked events ect is to speak to OPM's or even email T.M.
I understand that it is causing problems with certain people.
I am not defending the new leave system, but at least they are acting on it and being more flexible.
Dont forget even if it was still the old leave system, and you bid for leave to go to a festivel, wedding or what ever there was never any promise you bid would be sucessful.
I understand that it is causing problems with certain people.
I am not defending the new leave system, but at least they are acting on it and being more flexible.
Dont forget even if it was still the old leave system, and you bid for leave to go to a festivel, wedding or what ever there was never any promise you bid would be sucessful.
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Hi Superstewardess.
The leave we need to have during the summer holidays is not to suit US, its to suit when the government say our children are on holiday. This, we cannot chose. I'm sure if we could pick and choose when our children had time off we wouldn't have this problem?? Unfortunately we'd get sent to Prison for taking our children out of school too much during term term!
Sorry to be a stickler, but i'm one of those people whom, before I had children would have quite happily taken my holidays whenever so that families could get holidays together. No skin off my nose. I think this is one issue that will never be resolved eh.
Regards.
The leave we need to have during the summer holidays is not to suit US, its to suit when the government say our children are on holiday. This, we cannot chose. I'm sure if we could pick and choose when our children had time off we wouldn't have this problem?? Unfortunately we'd get sent to Prison for taking our children out of school too much during term term!
Sorry to be a stickler, but i'm one of those people whom, before I had children would have quite happily taken my holidays whenever so that families could get holidays together. No skin off my nose. I think this is one issue that will never be resolved eh.
Regards.
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That is a good comment to be fair.
Leave is always a problem EVERY year. People bid for certain weeks ect, but dont get the leave requested due to that period already being full.
That is a good comment to be fair.
Leave is always a problem EVERY year. People bid for certain weeks ect, but dont get the leave requested due to that period already being full.