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Freeflyzone,
If you read my message, I wrote: ALLOWANCE WAS DELAYED FOR TWO MONTHS.
I did not write, ALLOWANCE WAS NOT PAID. Read again my message. You better check it out again. I'm referring to the FA trainees.
Want to verify my information? Just ask trainees from Tair & they will tell you the truth. They are paid 350.00/day. Do you want to compute how much Tair paid? Just ask anyone from them & hopefully they will give you the figures.
Information half truths? Go ahead and check ATO-CAB about the TOP that I've mentioned earlier. Check the website. You'll see.
Go figure.
Veritas.
If you read my message, I wrote: ALLOWANCE WAS DELAYED FOR TWO MONTHS.
I did not write, ALLOWANCE WAS NOT PAID. Read again my message. You better check it out again. I'm referring to the FA trainees.
Want to verify my information? Just ask trainees from Tair & they will tell you the truth. They are paid 350.00/day. Do you want to compute how much Tair paid? Just ask anyone from them & hopefully they will give you the figures.
Information half truths? Go ahead and check ATO-CAB about the TOP that I've mentioned earlier. Check the website. You'll see.
Go figure.
Veritas.
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I did not say that trainees were not paid their allowances. I said that their allowances were delayed by two months. That's a big difference.
My sis told me that she was paid 350.00/day. Compute that amount with the number of training days x number of trainees then you have the amount. It doesnt take a genius to do that.
Of course Im happy that Tair is there. Have you read all my threads?
For further information, please go to ATO-CAB.
My sis told me that she was paid 350.00/day. Compute that amount with the number of training days x number of trainees then you have the amount. It doesnt take a genius to do that.
Of course Im happy that Tair is there. Have you read all my threads?
For further information, please go to ATO-CAB.
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Right - That's enough!
This thread doesn't exist so that you can snipe at each other in multi-colored huge fonts (what is it about Tair that makes the contributors feel the need to decorate their posts? It is what is said that matters, not the colour or size)
All start-up airlines are long on talk and promises, both before and after they actually start flying. Talk is cheap. Anybody can do it. Therefore, it is sensible to develop a degree of scepticism about any start-up airlines self-promotion. In the case of Tair, where there appears to have been some fairly extraordinary changes recently, people should think very carefully before making any decisions that could affect their lives.
Now - please move on to more valuable postings on this thread - preferably without the childrens' coloring book effects.
This thread doesn't exist so that you can snipe at each other in multi-colored huge fonts (what is it about Tair that makes the contributors feel the need to decorate their posts? It is what is said that matters, not the colour or size)
All start-up airlines are long on talk and promises, both before and after they actually start flying. Talk is cheap. Anybody can do it. Therefore, it is sensible to develop a degree of scepticism about any start-up airlines self-promotion. In the case of Tair, where there appears to have been some fairly extraordinary changes recently, people should think very carefully before making any decisions that could affect their lives.
Now - please move on to more valuable postings on this thread - preferably without the childrens' coloring book effects.
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enough said..
i agree with you mr/ms moderator. these people are talking as if they know everything. i myself had lost my hope already since i've heard that the "old management" team left the company. i even txtd one of them saying how sorry i am to hear the news though i really don't know the real score.
i've just learned everything about it during this refresher training where all the previous batches were mixed up and divided into 3 teams (a, b and c) i wont tell from which batch and team i belong, but what i can say is that im done with the new training, and i can say that this training is far better than the old one. ma'am terol (head of training team/ATO consultant) is right when she said that the old training is just a mediocre, and she proved herself to us.
for those people asking for any update, i would advise if you call the office directly (contact info has been posted on prev threads) rather than asking someone else here who are just speculating and making stories out of nothing.
btw, check out this friendster url:
the photos will speak more... www.friendster.com/tairairwayscabincrew
i've just learned everything about it during this refresher training where all the previous batches were mixed up and divided into 3 teams (a, b and c) i wont tell from which batch and team i belong, but what i can say is that im done with the new training, and i can say that this training is far better than the old one. ma'am terol (head of training team/ATO consultant) is right when she said that the old training is just a mediocre, and she proved herself to us.
for those people asking for any update, i would advise if you call the office directly (contact info has been posted on prev threads) rather than asking someone else here who are just speculating and making stories out of nothing.
btw, check out this friendster url:
the photos will speak more... www.friendster.com/tairairwayscabincrew
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Enough is Enough
Hello TightSlot-
Amen to what you said- " That's enough.
Allow me, please, some post scripts.
I have been following the thoughts expresed by many people on the subject of Tair Airways for sometime now. As I read through the exchange and banter, I read serious and encouraging ( and even discouraging) thoughts about the risks being taken by investors and prospecive employees in considering "partnering" with Tair. I viewed them as normal comments even as I read through the wide range of thoughts expressed- serious, comic, silly, disgusting, encouraging, cautioning,threatening, libelous, malicious, praising, applause, hopeful and so on. I laughed, guffawed, smirked, smiled- all by myself. I stayed in the stands and contented myself reading what PPRuNe members were thinking. I was completely happy with the state of things -having joined PPRuNe to reach out to friends of the profession.
That was so until I noticed one guy trying to hug center stage by castigating and bad-mouthing Tair Airways. It was disgusting. He was throwing everything but the proverbial kitchen sink at TairAirways. (I am surprised you fellas did not stop him earlier). This is a far cry from the intelligent and fair discussion we all expect from this forum.
I am about 10,000 miles away from Manila. I do not know a single soul from Tair Airways. I do not know if the owners are good or bad or ugly. All I know is that they are not being given a fair shake by this writier. If Tair is to be pilloried, the rules on fairplay andand the right to an even playing field should apply.
And to you people connected with Tair Airways- why are you not answering or replying?
Amen to what you said- " That's enough.
Allow me, please, some post scripts.
I have been following the thoughts expresed by many people on the subject of Tair Airways for sometime now. As I read through the exchange and banter, I read serious and encouraging ( and even discouraging) thoughts about the risks being taken by investors and prospecive employees in considering "partnering" with Tair. I viewed them as normal comments even as I read through the wide range of thoughts expressed- serious, comic, silly, disgusting, encouraging, cautioning,threatening, libelous, malicious, praising, applause, hopeful and so on. I laughed, guffawed, smirked, smiled- all by myself. I stayed in the stands and contented myself reading what PPRuNe members were thinking. I was completely happy with the state of things -having joined PPRuNe to reach out to friends of the profession.
That was so until I noticed one guy trying to hug center stage by castigating and bad-mouthing Tair Airways. It was disgusting. He was throwing everything but the proverbial kitchen sink at TairAirways. (I am surprised you fellas did not stop him earlier). This is a far cry from the intelligent and fair discussion we all expect from this forum.
I am about 10,000 miles away from Manila. I do not know a single soul from Tair Airways. I do not know if the owners are good or bad or ugly. All I know is that they are not being given a fair shake by this writier. If Tair is to be pilloried, the rules on fairplay andand the right to an even playing field should apply.
And to you people connected with Tair Airways- why are you not answering or replying?
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Bigger Picture
sallyweston:
what do these photos convey? these pictures are captured moments as it happened in a specific time. what does it speak of? these photos say that there was swimming & classroom training. that's all there is to it, plain and simple. does it reflect anything on the company? yes, it means that there was a swimming and classroom training of cabin crew wannabes. what are they doing now? are they flying already?
since you've talked about pictures, how come the website is not being updated yet? how come there are no key personnel occupying very important positions? if i were to follow your line...the website does not speak of the company so well. the last update was February 2007. it seems that everything is awfully quiet.
buzz in ALPAP is that this company will take off this July 2007. how come travel agencies do not have any booking/s of this airlines for their flights to saudi arabia? have they renewed their temporary operating permit which, incidentally, will also expire this july 2007?
what happened to their pilots who went on training in america...for the DC10 plane? if the 747 is nowhere to be found, where is the DC10 at this time? what happened to their "supposed" 747 pilots? what about those who resigned from work, just to be with this company, and now found themselves waiting for the much coveted takeoff of this airlines? what if this doesnt take off? where does that leave you?
ponder this:
why dont you ask madame terol or your bosses the exact take off date of this airlines?
have you asked the management if they have renewed their temporary license already?
this is a play on personality and im pretty sure that they will sugarcoat everything.
look at the bigger picture and not the miniscule scenario.
what do these photos convey? these pictures are captured moments as it happened in a specific time. what does it speak of? these photos say that there was swimming & classroom training. that's all there is to it, plain and simple. does it reflect anything on the company? yes, it means that there was a swimming and classroom training of cabin crew wannabes. what are they doing now? are they flying already?
since you've talked about pictures, how come the website is not being updated yet? how come there are no key personnel occupying very important positions? if i were to follow your line...the website does not speak of the company so well. the last update was February 2007. it seems that everything is awfully quiet.
buzz in ALPAP is that this company will take off this July 2007. how come travel agencies do not have any booking/s of this airlines for their flights to saudi arabia? have they renewed their temporary operating permit which, incidentally, will also expire this july 2007?
what happened to their pilots who went on training in america...for the DC10 plane? if the 747 is nowhere to be found, where is the DC10 at this time? what happened to their "supposed" 747 pilots? what about those who resigned from work, just to be with this company, and now found themselves waiting for the much coveted takeoff of this airlines? what if this doesnt take off? where does that leave you?
ponder this:
why dont you ask madame terol or your bosses the exact take off date of this airlines?
have you asked the management if they have renewed their temporary license already?
this is a play on personality and im pretty sure that they will sugarcoat everything.
look at the bigger picture and not the miniscule scenario.
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July 27, 2007
You may call me a messenger of doom and I'll gladly accept it because I dont give false hope, superflous, picturesque and incandescent but wrong picture of an airline that is definitely not taking off.
On July 27, their temporary operating permit will expire. As per rules, an airline operator (applicant) has to apply one full month before their license (temporary operating permit) expires. As of today, they havent applied and their deadline was set last June 27, 2007.
Where does that leave those people who are with them & will soon be informed of the company's demise?
Is reality a bitter pill to swallow?
On July 27, their temporary operating permit will expire. As per rules, an airline operator (applicant) has to apply one full month before their license (temporary operating permit) expires. As of today, they havent applied and their deadline was set last June 27, 2007.
Where does that leave those people who are with them & will soon be informed of the company's demise?
Is reality a bitter pill to swallow?
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False hopes
Blackhawk 139, I know what maximatt means on this thread. Based on my readings and well, I did my own research on this interesting thread on Tair Airways - it seems that maximatt here is completely supported with facts.
To be very honest, maximatt has resounding substantial points to reckon with compare to you & freeflyzone. Crab mentality is consummately discrepant from the ultimate facts. Please practice objectivity and let us not be carried away.
Giving people false hope is depriving them of the truth of the issue and what is to happen to them and their aspirations. Truth hurts but it helps to know it. This is what maximatt is telling in his messages.
I dont know what could be more aggravating, telling the truth or delivering fallacious hopes like what you are doing.
To be very honest, maximatt has resounding substantial points to reckon with compare to you & freeflyzone. Crab mentality is consummately discrepant from the ultimate facts. Please practice objectivity and let us not be carried away.
Giving people false hope is depriving them of the truth of the issue and what is to happen to them and their aspirations. Truth hurts but it helps to know it. This is what maximatt is telling in his messages.
I dont know what could be more aggravating, telling the truth or delivering fallacious hopes like what you are doing.
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Latest news:
TAIR's previously approved TOP will expire on the 27th of this month.
Today, they filed a request for extension of their TOP for another six (6) months.
According to their petition, Tair is in the process of leasing a B747-400 aircraft, and its lessor, Global Financial (Oregon based), is expected to deliver the aircraft in July or August this year.
However, said aircraft shall be subjected to a C-Check and installation of various modifications, such as Tair's livery and the reconfiguration of seats to accomodate LCD monitors.
This cannot be done simultaneously and may entail a few more months to complete.
The aircraft will be operating the routes Clark-Saudi Arabia vv, and Clark-UAE vv.
The petition was signed by a certain Salvador Ramirez, current President and CEO of the Tair.
Hope this helps. Goodluck to all.
TAIR's previously approved TOP will expire on the 27th of this month.
Today, they filed a request for extension of their TOP for another six (6) months.
According to their petition, Tair is in the process of leasing a B747-400 aircraft, and its lessor, Global Financial (Oregon based), is expected to deliver the aircraft in July or August this year.
However, said aircraft shall be subjected to a C-Check and installation of various modifications, such as Tair's livery and the reconfiguration of seats to accomodate LCD monitors.
This cannot be done simultaneously and may entail a few more months to complete.
The aircraft will be operating the routes Clark-Saudi Arabia vv, and Clark-UAE vv.
The petition was signed by a certain Salvador Ramirez, current President and CEO of the Tair.
Hope this helps. Goodluck to all.
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Is That So!!!
Oh my God!!!
The batches from the new training would be really disappointed if they'ld hear that TAIR won't be taking off any sooner..
From the announcement of the management to the trainees they stated that they are readying their schedule for the roster of flights come August 1 then they moved it to August 15..Guess they're really pushing
their luck this time!!!
Hope this time the bird (TAIR) really flies soon, considering that their flight attendants are going on a year waiting for their flights, well that is per the statements on this thread.. its just too bad that they'ld be the one suffering the losses, income i mean!!
The batches from the new training would be really disappointed if they'ld hear that TAIR won't be taking off any sooner..From the announcement of the management to the trainees they stated that they are readying their schedule for the roster of flights come August 1 then they moved it to August 15..Guess they're really pushing
their luck this time!!!Hope this time the bird (TAIR) really flies soon, considering that their flight attendants are going on a year waiting for their flights, well that is per the statements on this thread.. its just too bad that they'ld be the one suffering the losses, income i mean!!
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All talk...
REDSTEP: Where did you get your information? Im impressed.
By the way, your post REDSTEP is 90% verbatim, lifted from the original letter of Ramirez to Arcilla. This letter is requesting CAB to extend Tair's Temporary Operating Permit for another 6 months as it will expire this 27th of July. Only an insider has access to this very important letter which you ardently quoted. You even summarized paragraphs 1-3 from the original letter in your post in the same chronological order.
Let me do the same. The letter states that the plane is due for C-check and is expected to be delivered this July-August.
What kind of C-check is that? Modifications will take months. The plane is impossible to be delivered on the date/months mentioned and definitely cannot be flown by July or August. As stated in the letter, "reconfiguration of seats, painting of livery and other refurbishments" - all of these will take time to finish.
Question: have they signed a lease agreement with Global Financial for the 744? This seems odd because given the reputation of the people behind the airlines, I dont think the Americans will deal will them.
Have they sent representatives from CAB to inspect the plane (if indeed there is one)?
There are tons of papers to be reproduced (lease/purchase agreement, proof of financial capacity by way of loan or paid capitalization, insurance contracts, etc). The odds are against them. Partial compliance will not do any good.
Talk is cheap. Hope this brings about concrete actions by that airlines.
I would like to thank Hermione G of Hogswarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry for the two letters she emailed me.
By the way, your post REDSTEP is 90% verbatim, lifted from the original letter of Ramirez to Arcilla. This letter is requesting CAB to extend Tair's Temporary Operating Permit for another 6 months as it will expire this 27th of July. Only an insider has access to this very important letter which you ardently quoted. You even summarized paragraphs 1-3 from the original letter in your post in the same chronological order.
Let me do the same. The letter states that the plane is due for C-check and is expected to be delivered this July-August.
What kind of C-check is that? Modifications will take months. The plane is impossible to be delivered on the date/months mentioned and definitely cannot be flown by July or August. As stated in the letter, "reconfiguration of seats, painting of livery and other refurbishments" - all of these will take time to finish.
Question: have they signed a lease agreement with Global Financial for the 744? This seems odd because given the reputation of the people behind the airlines, I dont think the Americans will deal will them.
Have they sent representatives from CAB to inspect the plane (if indeed there is one)?
There are tons of papers to be reproduced (lease/purchase agreement, proof of financial capacity by way of loan or paid capitalization, insurance contracts, etc). The odds are against them. Partial compliance will not do any good.
Talk is cheap. Hope this brings about concrete actions by that airlines.
I would like to thank Hermione G of Hogswarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry for the two letters she emailed me.
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outstanding piece mx mutt!
People on this forum should bestow you the title of the angel of God (the good God since the fallen angel has already been embraced by those who do not seem to appreciate your intentions) - I can truly understand where you are coming from?
I dont know what your profession is or if you occupy an influential place in the airlines but your thoughts are exactly what everyone should be examining.
I sure would like to let my bosses on this part of the region hire you! Keep up the good awakening job!
Let me know when you will be needing pilots for the 744.
I dont know what your profession is or if you occupy an influential place in the airlines but your thoughts are exactly what everyone should be examining.
I sure would like to let my bosses on this part of the region hire you! Keep up the good awakening job!
Let me know when you will be needing pilots for the 744.
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max_mutt..our guru
i'm very much impressed of your "intelligence info" regarding the inner side of the aviation industry here in 'pinas..Can you pls share with us some information with this new airline "pacific pearl airlines"..your input will be of importance to us aspiring FLYERS...
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angel of god
pls dont redirect us to ALPAP, going there alone and inquire makes us sick...and besides i dont have any access or somebody whom to talk to..pls be kind enough to give us some info..p l e a s e,,,,,,,,
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TO: Blackhawk
I remember this is your post:
madmaxi_mutt,
pls dont be so rediculous againts this Tair Airlines...PLEASE GIVE THEM A BREAK! there are so many hopefuls that need to be employed..they need jobs,,they have ambitions in life! for heavens sake, lets join hands in pushing this airline for take-off ..forget this CRABBY mentality!
Go to Tair instead & apply there as a pilot. I'm pretty sure you'd want to fly the 747. It would be nice on your resume to have a flying experience with the jumbo jet, assuming that you qualify for the position.
Better yet, go to Air Philippines. I'm sure they'd love you there. You have other options too: PAL & Cebupac.
Goodluck.
madmaxi_mutt,
pls dont be so rediculous againts this Tair Airlines...PLEASE GIVE THEM A BREAK! there are so many hopefuls that need to be employed..they need jobs,,they have ambitions in life! for heavens sake, lets join hands in pushing this airline for take-off ..forget this CRABBY mentality!
Go to Tair instead & apply there as a pilot. I'm pretty sure you'd want to fly the 747. It would be nice on your resume to have a flying experience with the jumbo jet, assuming that you qualify for the position.
Better yet, go to Air Philippines. I'm sure they'd love you there. You have other options too: PAL & Cebupac.
Goodluck.
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I was under the impression this forum was for aircrew of Tair?
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Disturbing News
Thanks to Hermione G of Hogwarts School for this reliable information:
Question: Where will they get the money right now?
As for the pilots & cabin crew, goodluck. Don't count your blessings until the eggs are hatched.
PS
Hermione G also told me that they still don't have a hangar in Clark Int"l Airport. They havent paid yet.
TOP expires 27 July 2007. The next board meeting of CAB is scheduled on August. From experience, another round of hearing is set.
- The loan of Tair Airways was rejected/disapproved by Global Finance. Mr Ramirez, in his infinite wisdom, submitted a letter of loan application (to Global Finance) to CAB as part of "proof of financial capacity." This was used as one of the documents submitted to CAB as part of their application for temporary operating permit. Problem: this loan application was not approved & subsequently disapproved by Global Finance.
Question: Where will they get the money right now?
- The owner (same owner of Warner Barnes Travel Agency & a recruitment agency) is facing a lawsuit from the Japanese investors apparently for malversation (among others). The subpoena was given this week already. The money involved millions of USD that Tair needs to give back. This is disturbing since the owner has other legal obligations to deal with.
As for the pilots & cabin crew, goodluck. Don't count your blessings until the eggs are hatched.
PS
Hermione G also told me that they still don't have a hangar in Clark Int"l Airport. They havent paid yet.
TOP expires 27 July 2007. The next board meeting of CAB is scheduled on August. From experience, another round of hearing is set.
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so much mud slinging here.
Being a pilot myself, this forum is more like a board room with airline executives trying to establish their grounds.
From an "aerial point of view" the information presented by maximatt is thoroughly supported with facts. I do have access to the inner circles of ALPAP to name a few, I dont understand why such disclosure of facts is causing such rediculous reactions from various quarters including that of sexy tracy. Are you one of the disgruntled employee or applicant as well against the former management? You seem to possess so much wrath on your post. Comparing your post vs. maximatt, yours is all talk.
Simply put: when is the plane arriving? when is the inaugural flight? I bet you cant even answer these questions with certainty. You have nothing but helium. I dare you answer these questions in your next post. If you cant, then learn how to accept the fact.
To be very professional on things, I would in fact take it as trail of clues on what to do to make things work for Tair. The trail is in Mutt & maximatt's post. Learn from it.
Besides, the airline is headed by Mr Ramirez to whom so much hype is being attributed as a miracle worker. Honestly in the industry, Mr Ramirez's position is the one being respected but as an individual, unfortunately he is being spat at.
I understand we all want more airlines to fly in our skies, I am all for that. Cheers!!
From an "aerial point of view" the information presented by maximatt is thoroughly supported with facts. I do have access to the inner circles of ALPAP to name a few, I dont understand why such disclosure of facts is causing such rediculous reactions from various quarters including that of sexy tracy. Are you one of the disgruntled employee or applicant as well against the former management? You seem to possess so much wrath on your post. Comparing your post vs. maximatt, yours is all talk.
Simply put: when is the plane arriving? when is the inaugural flight? I bet you cant even answer these questions with certainty. You have nothing but helium. I dare you answer these questions in your next post. If you cant, then learn how to accept the fact.
To be very professional on things, I would in fact take it as trail of clues on what to do to make things work for Tair. The trail is in Mutt & maximatt's post. Learn from it.
Besides, the airline is headed by Mr Ramirez to whom so much hype is being attributed as a miracle worker. Honestly in the industry, Mr Ramirez's position is the one being respected but as an individual, unfortunately he is being spat at.
I understand we all want more airlines to fly in our skies, I am all for that. Cheers!!
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