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hi all!! i've called TAIR, 3x mind you 
i looked for mr. efren uy since i've heard that he is the one handling the recruitment after emil, jun and yvonne left the company... i called them last week, last monday and today just a few minutes ago... anyway, i was not able to reach him because either he's conducting an interview or out of the office. the girl who got my call asked for my number and told me that she will give my contact number to mr efren uy so he could give me a call back... i also asked if there is already an estimated date for the next training of FAs.. she said there is none. no scheduled/estimated schedule for next training .. that's all.
hi milehighguy, just the same here, done with the panel interview and medicals just waiting for their call.... *sigh*
i looked for mr. efren uy since i've heard that he is the one handling the recruitment after emil, jun and yvonne left the company... i called them last week, last monday and today just a few minutes ago... anyway, i was not able to reach him because either he's conducting an interview or out of the office. the girl who got my call asked for my number and told me that she will give my contact number to mr efren uy so he could give me a call back... i also asked if there is already an estimated date for the next training of FAs.. she said there is none. no scheduled/estimated schedule for next training .. that's all.hi milehighguy, just the same here, done with the panel interview and medicals just waiting for their call.... *sigh*
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Some updates J
Please note that Tair Airways had a major change in its executive management. Of course to the best.
We are very happy that these issues were discovered before commencing the operations and not after, as this would have major negative impacts on the airline.
Please note that Tair Airways had a major change in its executive management. Of course to the best.
- Crew: All the previous batches will be reviewed by the new panel for final approval. This is done because it was found that some of the accepted candidates were approved for hire while they should not.
- Aircrafts: Still the B747’s are coming, but there is some delay in delivery from the leasing company in USA. The L1011 freighter may not join the fleet, as we are looking into other possibilities.
- Date of operation: Will be announced during this coming 2 weeks. Most probably it will be by the middle or at the maximum at the end of July.
We are very happy that these issues were discovered before commencing the operations and not after, as this would have major negative impacts on the airline.
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hey..
myticeyes..
good to hear wer on the same side... its really is hard to wait huh
i called them awhile ago and i honestly didnt like the tone of their voice, seems lyk their already feed-up by batch 5 people asking wats wat...
they just said... ""wait for your time"" ...
we have to undergo again an interview regarding our qualification..
milehighguy..
good to hear wer on the same side... its really is hard to wait huh
i called them awhile ago and i honestly didnt like the tone of their voice, seems lyk their already feed-up by batch 5 people asking wats wat...
they just said... ""wait for your time"" ...
we have to undergo again an interview regarding our qualification..
milehighguy..
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Bluebirde2000 ...
"Please note that Tair Airways had a major change in its executive management. Of course to the best."
What's wrong with the previous executive management team? Heard that they have extensive knowledge of and experience in the airline/aviation industry.
"Crew: All the previous batches will be reviewed by the new panel for final approval. This is done because it was found that some of the accepted candidates were approved for hire while they should not."
A very strange and unusual hiring practice. What will happened if the current executive management team leaves the company? Will the new incoming executive management team think that some of the employees were hired while they should not and subject everybody to a review again?
"... The L-1011 Freighter may not join the fleet ..."
Were there plans to have a Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Freighter in the fleet? Thought it was a Douglas DC-10-30 Freighter.
"We are very happy that these issues were discovered before commencing the operations and not after, as this would have major negative impacts on the airline."
Having such drastic change in the executive management team, where the President and Chief Executive Officer, the Vice-President - Flight Operations and the Vice-President - Maintenance and Engineering, have all left the company, is already having a negative impact on the airline. One cannot help but wonder how long the current management team will last.
Well ... wish you all good luck.
Flyer
"Please note that Tair Airways had a major change in its executive management. Of course to the best."
What's wrong with the previous executive management team? Heard that they have extensive knowledge of and experience in the airline/aviation industry.
"Crew: All the previous batches will be reviewed by the new panel for final approval. This is done because it was found that some of the accepted candidates were approved for hire while they should not."
A very strange and unusual hiring practice. What will happened if the current executive management team leaves the company? Will the new incoming executive management team think that some of the employees were hired while they should not and subject everybody to a review again?
"... The L-1011 Freighter may not join the fleet ..."
Were there plans to have a Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Freighter in the fleet? Thought it was a Douglas DC-10-30 Freighter.
"We are very happy that these issues were discovered before commencing the operations and not after, as this would have major negative impacts on the airline."
Having such drastic change in the executive management team, where the President and Chief Executive Officer, the Vice-President - Flight Operations and the Vice-President - Maintenance and Engineering, have all left the company, is already having a negative impact on the airline. One cannot help but wonder how long the current management team will last.
Well ... wish you all good luck.
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bluebirde2000Flyer, as I recall. THEY WERE ASKED TO LEAVE.
Thanks
Who are u mr Bluebirde2000?
Quoting Bluebirdie2000
They have a thread on the Cabin Crew forum.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...06#post3087206
I do not live in the Philippines; I live in the Middle East for now. So can anyone please give us some serious information on them, probably from people livening in Manila?
Cheers.
.....and on another occassion u were asking if a an airline in the middle east is hiring an expat flight crew......
You are not engr. fouzi ayt?.....
Must not be any of the previous management....
how do you know most of ur infos?
probably ur pilot friends now serving their bonds with tair told you so?
fact:
Mr. dodi ramirez is now officially the president of the company...following his exodus from 5J are a lot of his "trusted colleages" from cebupac.
problem:
"Crew: All the previous batches will be reviewed by the new panel for final approval. This is done because it was found that some of the accepted candidates were approved for hire while they should not."
comment:
how in the world would they say that there were candidates that were approved for hire while they should not ? Ain't the new panel composed of "appointed" "trusted colleagues of mr. ramirez"...... they never really applied...they were appointed.......
an injustice?
well guys, I've been monitoring the forum on tair for quite long time prior to writing a reply. I just hope that there be no false hopes given to many of you who are waiting for your deployment now that you have finished your trainings..... Sure I also hope that this airline flies, it will benefit our fellow filipinos in the middle east, but please, not to the expense of the many hopefuls like many of you here waiting time after time when a call from the company will arrive.
i don't remember an L1011 a/c being placed in their website....neither was there a plan for it.....The previous management, mostly with boeing experience probably would go for boeings....DC10-30F came to the picture probably because they also had previous experience on it while they were still with PAL.
I have nothing with the new management, just that they are recent airbus people. The consideration of getting either by buying,wet or dry leasing of airbus a/c is not impossible. I hope the previous trainings would not be put to trash. The 747 f/a trainings, the 747 m&e trainings, the dc10 flight crew familiarization....everything will be scrapped should they get airbus.... but again, they still are considering 737s, good luck.
Time is of the essence here ladies and gentlemen...Tair needs to fly come august or another expiration for their license would again happen....expensive..... another shedding out of finacial asset for warner barnes....probably, another change of management if that happens.
anyweis...... hope and pray this airline flies to help our fellow filipinos in the middle east. Good luck to the hopefuls, I hope no injustice would be made to you.
Thanks
Who are u mr Bluebirde2000?
Quoting Bluebirdie2000
They have a thread on the Cabin Crew forum.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...06#post3087206
I do not live in the Philippines; I live in the Middle East for now. So can anyone please give us some serious information on them, probably from people livening in Manila?
Cheers.
.....and on another occassion u were asking if a an airline in the middle east is hiring an expat flight crew......
You are not engr. fouzi ayt?.....
Must not be any of the previous management....
how do you know most of ur infos?
probably ur pilot friends now serving their bonds with tair told you so?
fact:
Mr. dodi ramirez is now officially the president of the company...following his exodus from 5J are a lot of his "trusted colleages" from cebupac.
problem:
"Crew: All the previous batches will be reviewed by the new panel for final approval. This is done because it was found that some of the accepted candidates were approved for hire while they should not."
comment:
how in the world would they say that there were candidates that were approved for hire while they should not ? Ain't the new panel composed of "appointed" "trusted colleagues of mr. ramirez"...... they never really applied...they were appointed.......
an injustice? well guys, I've been monitoring the forum on tair for quite long time prior to writing a reply. I just hope that there be no false hopes given to many of you who are waiting for your deployment now that you have finished your trainings..... Sure I also hope that this airline flies, it will benefit our fellow filipinos in the middle east, but please, not to the expense of the many hopefuls like many of you here waiting time after time when a call from the company will arrive.
i don't remember an L1011 a/c being placed in their website....neither was there a plan for it.....The previous management, mostly with boeing experience probably would go for boeings....DC10-30F came to the picture probably because they also had previous experience on it while they were still with PAL.
I have nothing with the new management, just that they are recent airbus people. The consideration of getting either by buying,wet or dry leasing of airbus a/c is not impossible. I hope the previous trainings would not be put to trash. The 747 f/a trainings, the 747 m&e trainings, the dc10 flight crew familiarization....everything will be scrapped should they get airbus.... but again, they still are considering 737s, good luck.
Time is of the essence here ladies and gentlemen...Tair needs to fly come august or another expiration for their license would again happen....expensive..... another shedding out of finacial asset for warner barnes....probably, another change of management if that happens.
anyweis...... hope and pray this airline flies to help our fellow filipinos in the middle east. Good luck to the hopefuls, I hope no injustice would be made to you.
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Thank you very much for stepping in and posting in this thread freewai020. 
You do not have to know who I am, this is not mandatory, but I really appreciate your comments and assure you that an Airbus is not in the plan at all. Maybe a B747-SP is there.
Let us see some more posts of you, not just this one post and then disappear.
You do not have to know who I am, this is not mandatory, but I really appreciate your comments and assure you that an Airbus is not in the plan at all. Maybe a B747-SP is there.
Let us see some more posts of you, not just this one post and then disappear.
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Nothing personal
Mr. Bluebird2000, I think there had been no hard copy for the thought of getting airbus-es. Logically if a used to work for nissan, i wont get a bmw to work on even though i would be given the freedom to do so. But then again, if the business of my boss is about bmw's, i will shut up my mouth and follow as he wishes.
Should you happen to be with tair in the previous month, you should have known better.
747-sp, 743, 744, what is the common denominator? all are variants of boeing 747....all will satisfy the existence of a 747 in the fleet section in tair's website. Ain't the previous trainings concentrated on 747's? but the truth of the matter having SP's is not in the ORIGINAL PLAN, neither are airbusses.
My point surfacing here sir to somehow challenge a true member of TAIR airway's management to shed light to the many hopefuls waiting for their job deployment....Many have trained, many are still waiting for thier call to be trained. Many have thought everything was in place until a sudden change of management.
"Flyer, as I recall. THEY WERE ASKED TO LEAVE."
basing on this.....u must have a very high position with tair... You were not asked to leave....you have have given the instruction....or...had carried out the instruction from a superior to your subordinates...or...must have been resigned prior to the order of the owner to ask everyone to leave.
I have agreat respect to you Mr.Bluebird for starting a forum about the birth of a new airline in the philippines. You started advertising about tair when no one has the foggiest idea about anything. You shed light for people to know about this soon to fly airline. This aint a personal attack to you but if you happen to be the "man" sir, your replacement have yet to advise your former trainees. should you be engr.fousi, your new team lacks patience to hear the questions of your supposed to be employees. Should you be capt pilot, respected as you are, dwelling with your former subordinates on their most low moments, I salute you, but pls, ask the new panel to give light on the hazy front your former trainees now face.
People in this forum, I know many of you also have received a not-so-good remark on the person answering the fone, Why don't you pm Mr. Bluebird about it.....maybe he can help, Right Mr. BLUEBIRD?
"Let us see some more posts of you, not just this one post and then disappear."
a challenge? to the pprunners, I have nothing more to share...should this be my last post, i want everyone to know i did not succumb to Mr.bluebird's challenge, I must have been over with TAIR's great offer.
I still want their birds to fly sky, It will help more filipinos in the middle east....Many of my relatives are also there, but i can never tolerate hearing people like many of you here being reevaluted when we have taken and passed their exams....
I hope Mr.bluebird that you heard a point comming from a supposed to be a low level employee. Mr M? Capt C? Engr FAB? a Pilot? Madam E? Take this as an objective account of what the new management shoul improve on. Give everyone a call. Calm their senses, then investments will sure come in.... I will even be the first one to build you up should i know your management is pro-employee.
tnx.
Good luck guys.
Should you happen to be with tair in the previous month, you should have known better.
747-sp, 743, 744, what is the common denominator? all are variants of boeing 747....all will satisfy the existence of a 747 in the fleet section in tair's website. Ain't the previous trainings concentrated on 747's? but the truth of the matter having SP's is not in the ORIGINAL PLAN, neither are airbusses.
My point surfacing here sir to somehow challenge a true member of TAIR airway's management to shed light to the many hopefuls waiting for their job deployment....Many have trained, many are still waiting for thier call to be trained. Many have thought everything was in place until a sudden change of management.
"Flyer, as I recall. THEY WERE ASKED TO LEAVE."
basing on this.....u must have a very high position with tair... You were not asked to leave....you have have given the instruction....or...had carried out the instruction from a superior to your subordinates...or...must have been resigned prior to the order of the owner to ask everyone to leave.
I have agreat respect to you Mr.Bluebird for starting a forum about the birth of a new airline in the philippines. You started advertising about tair when no one has the foggiest idea about anything. You shed light for people to know about this soon to fly airline. This aint a personal attack to you but if you happen to be the "man" sir, your replacement have yet to advise your former trainees. should you be engr.fousi, your new team lacks patience to hear the questions of your supposed to be employees. Should you be capt pilot, respected as you are, dwelling with your former subordinates on their most low moments, I salute you, but pls, ask the new panel to give light on the hazy front your former trainees now face.
People in this forum, I know many of you also have received a not-so-good remark on the person answering the fone, Why don't you pm Mr. Bluebird about it.....maybe he can help, Right Mr. BLUEBIRD?
"Let us see some more posts of you, not just this one post and then disappear.
"a challenge? to the pprunners, I have nothing more to share...should this be my last post, i want everyone to know i did not succumb to Mr.bluebird's challenge, I must have been over with TAIR's great offer.
I still want their birds to fly sky, It will help more filipinos in the middle east....Many of my relatives are also there, but i can never tolerate hearing people like many of you here being reevaluted when we have taken and passed their exams....
I hope Mr.bluebird that you heard a point comming from a supposed to be a low level employee. Mr M? Capt C? Engr FAB? a Pilot? Madam E? Take this as an objective account of what the new management shoul improve on. Give everyone a call. Calm their senses, then investments will sure come in.... I will even be the first one to build you up should i know your management is pro-employee.
tnx.
Good luck guys.
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my apologies, it was lyka who started the forum about tair in the cabin crew section. Mr. Bluebird was the proponent in the the other Tair forum in the general section.
tnx. happy ppruning guys..
gud luck to all
tnx. happy ppruning guys..
gud luck to all
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How about we forget about Tair until such time as a cabin crew member actually says that they are receiving a salary.......
Bluebirde2000, the first concept of setting up an airline is to have a plan that includes aircraft, the best idea is not to change this plan on a weekly basis! So far we heard about B747-400's, 300's, SP's, L1011's, DC10s, Airbii and i think even a 727!!!!
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Bluebirde2000, the first concept of setting up an airline is to have a plan that includes aircraft, the best idea is not to change this plan on a weekly basis! So far we heard about B747-400's, 300's, SP's, L1011's, DC10s, Airbii and i think even a 727!!!!
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thinking.
mysticeyes,
no news yet, if you try to call theyre office they will tell you the same thing.
ask aiskilus for some details about our problem.
milehighguy,
any news for us?
hope to see u during the training !
no news yet, if you try to call theyre office they will tell you the same thing.
ask aiskilus for some details about our problem.
milehighguy,
any news for us?
hope to see u during the training !
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If I was you guys, I'd forget about this Tair...it's a waste of your precious time. Anything that takes this long to setup has to have problems.
Apply at PAL or Cebu Pacific...or the other airlines. Nothing beats established institutions.
I know a couple of guys who resigned from their pilot jobs in current airlines because they were "included" in a list of pilot trainees for the B743. Not so sure if they are still hanging on but I suggest they try to get their old jobs back....if they can.
Wake up guys...been in this Philippine aviation industry for awhile now...and it's the same old thing...all bark but no bite. If a carrot gets dangled in front of a rabbit, the rabbit is gonna chase. So are you a Rabbit?
Just my two cents.
Apply at PAL or Cebu Pacific...or the other airlines. Nothing beats established institutions.
I know a couple of guys who resigned from their pilot jobs in current airlines because they were "included" in a list of pilot trainees for the B743. Not so sure if they are still hanging on but I suggest they try to get their old jobs back....if they can.
Wake up guys...been in this Philippine aviation industry for awhile now...and it's the same old thing...all bark but no bite. If a carrot gets dangled in front of a rabbit, the rabbit is gonna chase. So are you a Rabbit?
Just my two cents.
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Dear friends,
Mysticeyes texted me this morning. All trainees from Batches 1-4 are now retraining for a month and for those peeps who supposedly included in batch 5 can call their office to start training on June 4.
Tair Airways, Inc.
3/F, 6797 Ayala Avenue
Makati City 1226
Philippines
Tel. No.: +(63)2-864-0265
Fax: +(63)2-811-4341
▲iskilÜs
Mysticeyes texted me this morning. All trainees from Batches 1-4 are now retraining for a month and for those peeps who supposedly included in batch 5 can call their office to start training on June 4.
Tair Airways, Inc.
3/F, 6797 Ayala Avenue
Makati City 1226
Philippines
Tel. No.: +(63)2-864-0265
Fax: +(63)2-811-4341
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What's the buzz?
What's with Tair?
1. Their temporary operating permit will expire July 2007. This is their 2nd renewal. If they fail to fly by the end of July, do you think ATO-CAB will still renew their license? They failed to fly since Dec,2006. Im not sure if their TOP will be renewed. Based on the buzz, this is their last chance to fly otherwise it'll be a paper airline again.
2. Top management before was asked to leave the company. What does that speak of for a start up company? It only means that it's not doing well. I've heard that allowances of FA trainees were delayed for two months. What does that tell you?
3. If they claim to have the budget/money for the plane, how come they still dont have one right now? Is this another press release? There are planes for lease with Air Atlanta, etc. Why dont they lease? Probably they dont have the money to afford one.
4. It's less than a month before July comes in, how come they still dont have any facilities in Clark Int'l Airport, their hub? No records from the CDC of any office under Tair.
5. I visited their website. No names under VP for Maintenance, Flight Operations, etc...how come? No replacement yet?
6. Buzz in ALPAP is that this airline is full of promises. Broken promises that is.
This is a pessimistic outlook but time is running out for Tair again.
1. Their temporary operating permit will expire July 2007. This is their 2nd renewal. If they fail to fly by the end of July, do you think ATO-CAB will still renew their license? They failed to fly since Dec,2006. Im not sure if their TOP will be renewed. Based on the buzz, this is their last chance to fly otherwise it'll be a paper airline again.
2. Top management before was asked to leave the company. What does that speak of for a start up company? It only means that it's not doing well. I've heard that allowances of FA trainees were delayed for two months. What does that tell you?
3. If they claim to have the budget/money for the plane, how come they still dont have one right now? Is this another press release? There are planes for lease with Air Atlanta, etc. Why dont they lease? Probably they dont have the money to afford one.
4. It's less than a month before July comes in, how come they still dont have any facilities in Clark Int'l Airport, their hub? No records from the CDC of any office under Tair.
5. I visited their website. No names under VP for Maintenance, Flight Operations, etc...how come? No replacement yet?
6. Buzz in ALPAP is that this airline is full of promises. Broken promises that is.
This is a pessimistic outlook but time is running out for Tair again.
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Information
You can easily get information from the ATO-CAB. It's a public document. You can see it posted on board those airline applicants whose temporary operating permit (TOP) will expire for 2007. Tair's TOP will expire this July 2007.
You can also go to the website. Check the management roster. Names are deleted
. Does this mean they dont have a VP for 
Maintenance / Flight 
Ops?
You can go to Clark Development (CDC). You can also check if there is any office under Tair's name.None.
It doesnt take a
genius to figure it out.
If they have the money, they could have leased the 747s of Air Atlanta, just like what Saudia (SV) is doing. If
Tair has the money, they could have done it LONG LONG LONG time ago but they still havent done it. Under time constraint, this is the most logical thing to do. That way, you can have instant flight deck crew & cabin crew. It makes sense right? How come Tair hasnt done it yet?
You can also check the
website for airplane leasing companies...it's easy to get a plane if you have the money.
ButI dont think they have it.
. It's a public document. You can see it posted on board those airline applicants whose temporary operating permit (TOP) will expire for 2007. Tair's TOP will expire this July 2007.You can also go to the website. Check the management roster. Names are deleted
. Does this mean they dont have a VP for Maintenance / Flight Ops?You can go to Clark Development (CDC). You can also check if there is any office under Tair's name.
None.It doesnt take a
genius to figure it out. If they have the money, they could have leased the 747s of Air Atlanta, just like what Saudia (SV) is doing. If
Tair has the money, they could have done it LONG LONG LONG time ago but they still havent done it. Under time constraint, this is the most logical thing to do. That way, you can have instant flight deck crew & cabin crew. It makes sense right? How come Tair hasnt done it yet?You can also check the
website for airplane leasing companies...it's easy to get a plane if you have the money.But
I dont think they have it.
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Hey, Max Mutt -
What do you have against Tair Airways ?
Why are you so harsh on your judgment?
So they are having start-up problems. Doesn't everybody experience start-up problems ?
Reading you, I couldn't tell which are truths, half truths or
plain lies.
Let's test that:
What months were the FA Trainees not paid allowances?
How much was to be paid out and to how many trainees?
If you can answer that, I will take everything you said as Gospel truth.
If you cannot, I suggest you keep your mouth shut and
give Tair a break-, a chance to operate with a Filipino crew.
And if Tair fakes it, I will join you and together we kick some ass, OK ?
What do you have against Tair Airways ?
Why are you so harsh on your judgment?
So they are having start-up problems. Doesn't everybody experience start-up problems ?
Reading you, I couldn't tell which are truths, half truths or
plain lies.
Let's test that:
What months were the FA Trainees not paid allowances?
How much was to be paid out and to how many trainees?
If you can answer that, I will take everything you said as Gospel truth.
If you cannot, I suggest you keep your mouth shut and
give Tair a break-, a chance to operate with a Filipino crew.
And if Tair fakes it, I will join you and together we kick some ass, OK ?