People standing up when the AC has landed?
We were experiencing just this situation years ago after touchdown on an old 73, when the a/c slowed very gently, not in an emergency-stop sort of way, but just enough for the die-hard few who were refusing to sit down to be pushed back into their seats.
It wasn't until we were on the crew bus that the skipper, a real 'old timer' & quite a character, asked us how his post-touchdown driving had been received in the cabin. He then admitted that he'd heard our exasperated pa's & that he'd decided to do something about it with some help from the brake pedal. He probably contravened dozens of FCO's, but it wasn't half effective.
It wasn't until we were on the crew bus that the skipper, a real 'old timer' & quite a character, asked us how his post-touchdown driving had been received in the cabin. He then admitted that he'd heard our exasperated pa's & that he'd decided to do something about it with some help from the brake pedal. He probably contravened dozens of FCO's, but it wasn't half effective.
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I think this is just de-facto passenger behaviour regardless of the transport. Look at any pact commuter train in to London and people in the seats trying to stand and shuffle out when the AISLES and gangways are still packed with the ones who stood all journey. They can't move but still stand...
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Whilst I totally agree that it is idiotic and potentially dangerous to both yourself and fellow passengers, some cabin crew are the worst offenders.
If they were doing official duty matters, maybe it’s necessary but how often do you see cc removing their baggage from lockers during the taxi in.
Very often. Not exactly setting a good example is it!
If they were doing official duty matters, maybe it’s necessary but how often do you see cc removing their baggage from lockers during the taxi in.
Very often. Not exactly setting a good example is it!
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Nor my flights, even if it is a life and death situation such as a pax having a heart attack and requires CPR, if the crew are required to be seated we are not obligated to get up for our own safety unless we have assessed the situation and consider it safe enough. Of course human nature would prevail and only speaking for myself I would take the risk to assist.
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It doesn't happen a lot with us, some routes being more prone than others. 
I use the same technique as ssmann, it's very effective.
"To the gentleman in the yellow shirt, you are a danger to other people by standing in the aisle. Sit down immediately. Thank you"
Works like a charm.
Once on December 23rd, still on the runway at a good speed. Punters up as if they'd been stung by a flock of killer bees. "Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to Paris. Those of you who would like to spend Christmas in hospital with a broken neck, please remain standing in the aisle. Everybody else, please sit down and stay there until the Captain switches off the FSB sign. Merry Christmas & Joyeux Noël to you all."
Suddenly EVERYBODY understood English and sat down. People started laughing and yelling merry Xmas to me and eachother and not a single punter got out of his seat until we had well and truly arrived.
Airgus, I've also bought myself a whistle like that, but have never dared/needed to use it yet.
I use the same technique as ssmann, it's very effective."To the gentleman in the yellow shirt, you are a danger to other people by standing in the aisle. Sit down immediately. Thank you"
Works like a charm.
Once on December 23rd, still on the runway at a good speed. Punters up as if they'd been stung by a flock of killer bees. "Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to Paris. Those of you who would like to spend Christmas in hospital with a broken neck, please remain standing in the aisle. Everybody else, please sit down and stay there until the Captain switches off the FSB sign. Merry Christmas & Joyeux Noël to you all."
Suddenly EVERYBODY understood English and sat down. People started laughing and yelling merry Xmas to me and eachother and not a single punter got out of his seat until we had well and truly arrived.
Airgus, I've also bought myself a whistle like that, but have never dared/needed to use it yet.
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As pax I hate people doing this.
Bit extreme I know and marketing would hate it but how about warning them that disobeying the captain's/cc's instructions is illegal and suggesting that you could keep the doors closed until you can rustle up some coppers?
Would love to see a few of them arrested!
Bit extreme I know and marketing would hate it but how about warning them that disobeying the captain's/cc's instructions is illegal and suggesting that you could keep the doors closed until you can rustle up some coppers?
Would love to see a few of them arrested!
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Again, with no disrespect to the Nation as a whole, try Chinese domestic services, for this phenomenon.
The second the aircraft hit's the deck, and as the thrust reverser's are coming out there is an almost uniform click, as the seat betls are undone, and all of the SLF run for the doors. No amount of PA work would have any effect.
The first time I saw it, I was absolutely amazed, nay gobsmacked. Subsequent flights all seemed to be the same, so it wasn't a one off, but man, did it go against my English sense of discipline.
The second the aircraft hit's the deck, and as the thrust reverser's are coming out there is an almost uniform click, as the seat betls are undone, and all of the SLF run for the doors. No amount of PA work would have any effect.
The first time I saw it, I was absolutely amazed, nay gobsmacked. Subsequent flights all seemed to be the same, so it wasn't a one off, but man, did it go against my English sense of discipline.
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"Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to Manchester. You will shortly be disembarking. Unfortunately the aircraft cleaners are on strike and we urgently need volunteers to remain behind and assist us with the task of removing the rubbish and cleaning the cabin and toilets. This should take no more than thirty minutes. Would anyone wishing to volunteer please indicate this to the cabin staff by standing up?"
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I am c/c and god does this annoy me!!!
I will do extra PA's as we pull on to stand and sometimes this does not work. In fact on several occasions if someone has stood up I will do the following ....
"once again ladies and gentlemen PLEASE remain seated until the fasten seatbelt sign is switched off, and yes this does include the passenger wearing the black jumper!"
Not entirely professional i know but it makes people laugh and a certain passenger look very embarassed.
The best one I have experienced recently though is when we get the PA from flight deck...
"cabin crew doors to manual"
Its amazing how many pax believe they are suddenly crew and can stand up with us.
I will do extra PA's as we pull on to stand and sometimes this does not work. In fact on several occasions if someone has stood up I will do the following ....
"once again ladies and gentlemen PLEASE remain seated until the fasten seatbelt sign is switched off, and yes this does include the passenger wearing the black jumper!"
Not entirely professional i know but it makes people laugh and a certain passenger look very embarassed.
The best one I have experienced recently though is when we get the PA from flight deck...
"cabin crew doors to manual"
Its amazing how many pax believe they are suddenly crew and can stand up with us.
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Im pax, and every time i fly i am so annoyed when people do this, they can't get anywhere faster! I hear the classic noise of all the seatbelts clicking open and see the cc's faces!
Then they all rush to the baggage belt, some even let their kids stand there too, instead of leaving them with another adult - OUT OF THE WAY..
Then they all rush to the baggage belt, some even let their kids stand there too, instead of leaving them with another adult - OUT OF THE WAY..
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Humourous solution
I was on a flight on Virgin, IIRC, when the senior cabin crew (CSD or is that a BA-ism?) came on the PA just after touchdown, still taxying, and announced they were taking volunteers to help clean out the lavs after the flight. All you had to do to volunteer, she said, was stand up before the aircraft had come to a complete stop and the captain had turned out the seatbelt sign. Got a hearty laugh throughout the aircraft and made her point. Not a single pax stood up before said seatbelt sign was turned off.
Great way to see the problem coming and prevent it before it even happened, all with a nice touch of humour. Well done to her!
Flew Egypt Air earlier this year. Boatloads of pax up as soon as the wheels were on the ground, including crew, not a word was said to anyone, which rather meant it was acceptable. Cultural difference, maybe?
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Great way to see the problem coming and prevent it before it even happened, all with a nice touch of humour. Well done to her!
Flew Egypt Air earlier this year. Boatloads of pax up as soon as the wheels were on the ground, including crew, not a word was said to anyone, which rather meant it was acceptable. Cultural difference, maybe?
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Just remembered an even more stupid pax!
There we were holding for departure at 0700 for a 50minute flight and I hear the PA "cabin crew seats for departure"
So I am minding my own business and can feel the aircraft rolling forward and starting to turn onto the runway when click!
I hear a seatbelt being undone. I look around the bulkhead and a businessman is standing up getting something out of his bag in the locker.!!!
Needless to say I was not pleased nor was I tactful when I shouted "sir, get your backside on that seat right now!"
He did and I was not about to get up and put myself at risk until after take off.
So the cabin crew are released after takeoff and he waves we over. The guy says to me...
" excuse me but I dont appreciate being shouted at like that on an aircraft"
So I replied
"Sir I am sorry but do you realise how stupid you have just been. You have not only just put yourself at risk but also about a dozen other passengers around you if not the whole aircraft. So forgive me but if someone is going to show the common sense of a child I will speak to them like one."
Needless to say he went very quiet and a recieved a fair few congratulations from other pax nearby.
There we were holding for departure at 0700 for a 50minute flight and I hear the PA "cabin crew seats for departure"
So I am minding my own business and can feel the aircraft rolling forward and starting to turn onto the runway when click!
I hear a seatbelt being undone. I look around the bulkhead and a businessman is standing up getting something out of his bag in the locker.!!!
Needless to say I was not pleased nor was I tactful when I shouted "sir, get your backside on that seat right now!"
He did and I was not about to get up and put myself at risk until after take off.
So the cabin crew are released after takeoff and he waves we over. The guy says to me...
" excuse me but I dont appreciate being shouted at like that on an aircraft"
So I replied
"Sir I am sorry but do you realise how stupid you have just been. You have not only just put yourself at risk but also about a dozen other passengers around you if not the whole aircraft. So forgive me but if someone is going to show the common sense of a child I will speak to them like one."
Needless to say he went very quiet and a recieved a fair few congratulations from other pax nearby.
