British Airways - LGW
Join Date: Nov 2004
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Stick to your guns and get the breakfast paid for - come on BASSA!. I have just come back from the last LGW WW operated ANU. The hotel in ANU is a rip off and you pay through the nose for food and drink. In a 5 day trip I spent nearly £100 and thats mostly on food( ok and a few cocktails) You don't have tea and coffee in your room and since your stuck at the top of a cardiac hill its pretty hard to go anywhere else unless you wanna walk down to the beach or get a cab. Most places around the hotel are quite pricey anyway. your £2.20 per hour won't go that far... fight for the free breakfast...
Join Date: Nov 1999
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twisted,
thanks for your support. That's the kind of thing we need, not fatuous remarks from FC
"How much is the hourly rate, as flight crew all get an hourly rate which is a substiture for the meal allowances they used to get at LHR. Whats different at LGW?"
moaning that they don't get BB anymore!
YD
thanks for your support. That's the kind of thing we need, not fatuous remarks from FC
"How much is the hourly rate, as flight crew all get an hourly rate which is a substiture for the meal allowances they used to get at LHR. Whats different at LGW?"
moaning that they don't get BB anymore!
YD
Join Date: Sep 2006
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It is so sad for the crew to have this new fleet set up without all the agreements in place. It does seem that BA is the winner all the way to the bank and the cabin crew will be the ones who suffer. Keep pushing and keep telling your manager you can't afford to eat.
I've been to the caribbean and I know how expensive it is. Even £100 won't really go far over the course of a few days.
Good luck.
I've been to the caribbean and I know how expensive it is. Even £100 won't really go far over the course of a few days.
Good luck.
Join Date: Sep 2003
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[QUOTE=Tess Tickelss;2886152]It is so sad for the crew to have this new fleet set up without all the agreements in place. It does seem that BA is the winner all the way to the bank and the cabin crew will be the ones who suffer. [QUOTE]
Exactly. If it had been done for the EF LGW crew's pleasure only it wouldn't have happened. They were dying to make us sign for that damn agreement. If only more people had said no they might have given us a better deal,they needed us to operate a single fleet regardless, but people were dying at the prospect of doing longhaul.....
BA never do anything,however small, to please and especially reward their employees, revenue and cost savings are the only two things that drive the company. Sad, but true.
Exactly. If it had been done for the EF LGW crew's pleasure only it wouldn't have happened. They were dying to make us sign for that damn agreement. If only more people had said no they might have given us a better deal,they needed us to operate a single fleet regardless, but people were dying at the prospect of doing longhaul.....
BA never do anything,however small, to please and especially reward their employees, revenue and cost savings are the only two things that drive the company. Sad, but true.
Join Date: Nov 2004
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I don't think the crew realise that flying longhaul you will need to use your crewcard. I flew SH for 14 years didn't really spend that much on trips. Longhaul esp when its not a nightstop , you do end up spending money - ANU, KIN, BGI, BDA, TPA and IAH will all dent your crewcard. A free breakfast will save you atleast £100 a month.
Join Date: May 2003
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Twisted,
I haven't used my crew card in over a year. I draw money out at travelex or use ATM's down route. That way, I know what is coming out of my account, not my payslip.
I haven't used my crew card in over a year. I draw money out at travelex or use ATM's down route. That way, I know what is coming out of my account, not my payslip.
Join Date: Jun 2006
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BA international crew
Hi, I was wondering if BA international crew able to apply for based in e.g LGW or any london base? coz seems base in london can fly to more places more then other nation crew.
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thanks superboy~ well,which means BA don't apply work permit for us to stay in EU? if we don't have an EU passport we cannot be base in London?*apologise for so much qns**
We can't transfer to the outstations either and believe me there is alot of poeple who would love to. 
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Can anyone please give me a few genuine tips on Carmen. I have listened to quite a few people gargle rubbish about it and still am none the wiser. Tried to find out through proper company channels and they informed me ever so kindly that it would not be right for them to tell me how to use the system, the same system that THEY expect us to bid for what WE want. 
Go figure.
Hey ho, if anyone can pm with any ideas, I would GREATLY appreciate it
Go figure.Hey ho, if anyone can pm with any ideas, I would GREATLY appreciate it
Join Date: Aug 2002
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I'll see if I can compile a list of top tips for bidding along with some examples etc etc.
Give me a day or two and I'll see what I can do.
As you know it's not the easiest system to get your head around, but I know my way around it better than most.
Give me a day or two and I'll see what I can do.
As you know it's not the easiest system to get your head around, but I know my way around it better than most.
Join Date: Jan 2002
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HZ123 was correct in his comments about the LH network being transferred to LHR when T5 opens. The BA operation will be split using T3 as well as T5 and slots do exist at the expense of unprofitable SH routes.
Also, expect Actuals instead of allowances within two years.
Also, expect Actuals instead of allowances within two years.
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HZ123 is indeed correct that BA would love to move ATL, IAH, and DFW to LHR.
BA have made no secret that this is the case either.
However...these routes are going nowhere until openskies is agreed with the US (about as much chance of that happening soon as there is of me being given Willie's job when he leaves!), and the Bermuda II agreement is made null and void.
T5 or no T5.
BA also has succesfully marketed LGW at the leisure market. The other LH routes left are heavily in this segment of the market as well.
They make good money and are by enlarge full most of the time. Now BA makes even more money on them (new fleet delivering cost savings of £12.5M P.A.) as they have reduced the crew compliment on board these routes and cthe crew are being paid on the whole less and are doing the work more efficiently than the WWLGW crew.
So transferring these routes to LHR (a more expensive airport), where they would carry the same amount of customers they are now and be crewed by more expensive staff on a more restrictive contract could be considered a backwards move. But hey...anything is possible. It would make more sense to transfer down to LGW more less non airport sensive/leisure routes (Mauritius for example) where they could make even more money for BA and of course this would free up slots for IAH/ATL/DFW should the need ever arrise.
However you are correct that BA could drop unprofitable EFLHR routes (I'm unsure which routes you reffer to though) and use the slots. As has been said on here before many times by many people "BA can change the goalposts when it likes".
Also I've heard most of the leadership team asked this question many times and at no time have they ever said they wish to pull out of LGW or even the longhaul side.
At the moment, it doesn't make business sense.
But hey....what will be...will be.
With refference to "actuals" or I assume you mean the "hourly rate", BA are not finished with this one and will come at the LHR crew again have no doubt. With the tax man taking 40% of EFLHR allowances I'm sure it could be quite tempting.
CSD as a working position is in the pipeline as well.
LGW is the blueprint for the new look LHR have no mistake. It may take time, but things WILL change. Look at what's happening to crew compliments on EFLHR, look familiar anyone at SFLGW?
One thing is certain. Making more money and saving money is the motivation behind any route transfers or contract changes, and if any action BA makes doesn't result in either of those things...it ain't happening!
P.S. still working on the Carmen tips, be patient.
BA have made no secret that this is the case either.
However...these routes are going nowhere until openskies is agreed with the US (about as much chance of that happening soon as there is of me being given Willie's job when he leaves!), and the Bermuda II agreement is made null and void.
T5 or no T5.
BA also has succesfully marketed LGW at the leisure market. The other LH routes left are heavily in this segment of the market as well.
They make good money and are by enlarge full most of the time. Now BA makes even more money on them (new fleet delivering cost savings of £12.5M P.A.) as they have reduced the crew compliment on board these routes and cthe crew are being paid on the whole less and are doing the work more efficiently than the WWLGW crew.
So transferring these routes to LHR (a more expensive airport), where they would carry the same amount of customers they are now and be crewed by more expensive staff on a more restrictive contract could be considered a backwards move. But hey...anything is possible. It would make more sense to transfer down to LGW more less non airport sensive/leisure routes (Mauritius for example) where they could make even more money for BA and of course this would free up slots for IAH/ATL/DFW should the need ever arrise.
However you are correct that BA could drop unprofitable EFLHR routes (I'm unsure which routes you reffer to though) and use the slots. As has been said on here before many times by many people "BA can change the goalposts when it likes".
Also I've heard most of the leadership team asked this question many times and at no time have they ever said they wish to pull out of LGW or even the longhaul side.
At the moment, it doesn't make business sense.
But hey....what will be...will be.
With refference to "actuals" or I assume you mean the "hourly rate", BA are not finished with this one and will come at the LHR crew again have no doubt. With the tax man taking 40% of EFLHR allowances I'm sure it could be quite tempting.
CSD as a working position is in the pipeline as well.
LGW is the blueprint for the new look LHR have no mistake. It may take time, but things WILL change. Look at what's happening to crew compliments on EFLHR, look familiar anyone at SFLGW?
One thing is certain. Making more money and saving money is the motivation behind any route transfers or contract changes, and if any action BA makes doesn't result in either of those things...it ain't happening!
P.S. still working on the Carmen tips, be patient.
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