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Just For Red T Bar
since you asked nicely- approx390 are going.
The split is approx 60 CSM's and 60 CSS's.
There will be no shortage of crew and furthermore there will be no promotions occurring either.
Hope that helps you T-BAR
The split is approx 60 CSM's and 60 CSS's.
There will be no shortage of crew and furthermore there will be no promotions occurring either.
Hope that helps you T-BAR
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Mostie,
If we werent doing "your" flying someone else would be.
Do you seriously think for one moment that things would stay the same and you would keep all the flying the same?
LHR base is an example of things that have changed.
Atleast if QF SH are doing "your" flying then you still have the opportunity to do it. You can transfer. If it goes to Jetstar or whoever else then its gone forever.
Slanging match over. (from my side atleast).
If we werent doing "your" flying someone else would be.
Do you seriously think for one moment that things would stay the same and you would keep all the flying the same?
LHR base is an example of things that have changed.
Atleast if QF SH are doing "your" flying then you still have the opportunity to do it. You can transfer. If it goes to Jetstar or whoever else then its gone forever.
Slanging match over. (from my side atleast).
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sydney s/h give it a break will you!
No one will ever agree with each other on this one.
Eden are you sure that there will be NO promotions.
Anyway why would anyone ever want to be a CSM these days.
No one will ever agree with each other on this one.
Eden are you sure that there will be NO promotions.
Anyway why would anyone ever want to be a CSM these days.
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Yes i'm sure. There will be no promotions.Up to now there has been large scale direction of crew on long service leave. This will be reduced after the VR and therefore will release CSS and CSM positions and no promotions will be necessary.
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ok thanks for that.
I am aware that in our current EBA CSM and CSS cannot be trained in the AKL base, have the company found a loophole with this one or is it typical bullsh!t
I am aware that in our current EBA CSM and CSS cannot be trained in the AKL base, have the company found a loophole with this one or is it typical bullsh!t
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With to regard to the issue about promotions in overseas bases...... there is no actual EBA restriction that would prevent that from occurring. However, in Dec 2004 an exchange of letters occurred between the FAAA and Qantas that says apart from the London base there would be no promotions in overseas bases.
So there is an expectation that no promotions will occur on NZ for example until at least the expiration of the current LH EBA7.
Restrictions on labour hire arrangements of course are illegal ( most probably) under the new Howard legislation., so like the cap on o/s bases , any restrictions on promotions in relation to overseas bases will also probably be prohibited once the current EBA expires.
Thanks Mr Howard!
I'm reliably informed the FAAA will issue something shortly about the activities secretly being undertaken by the Company in NZ.
Also people need to be aware that the FAAA keeps things of a confidential nature secure...... for a whole host of valid reasons, so that crew interests are not damaged. However, expect something soon regarding NZ from the FAAA.
So there is an expectation that no promotions will occur on NZ for example until at least the expiration of the current LH EBA7.
Restrictions on labour hire arrangements of course are illegal ( most probably) under the new Howard legislation., so like the cap on o/s bases , any restrictions on promotions in relation to overseas bases will also probably be prohibited once the current EBA expires.
Thanks Mr Howard!
I'm reliably informed the FAAA will issue something shortly about the activities secretly being undertaken by the Company in NZ.
Also people need to be aware that the FAAA keeps things of a confidential nature secure...... for a whole host of valid reasons, so that crew interests are not damaged. However, expect something soon regarding NZ from the FAAA.
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VR Numbers
475 applied for and were accepted for VR.
The most junior to be accepted was 8 years seniority
Approx 60 CSMs
Approx 60 CSSs
If you are on reserve next BP expect to do la lotta work
Christmas will be a nightmare.
If you are on vacation expect a "please help us phone call"
Also expect a lot of new crew...mainly MAM casuals.
I think the 390 Eden quoted related to Sydney only.
Sources at QF tell me that there will be promotion...but now I am not so sure.
Eden is usually well informed.
As more flying is handed to domestic and Jet* there is less requirement for LH CC
The most junior to be accepted was 8 years seniority
Approx 60 CSMs
Approx 60 CSSs
If you are on reserve next BP expect to do la lotta work
Christmas will be a nightmare.
If you are on vacation expect a "please help us phone call"
Also expect a lot of new crew...mainly MAM casuals.
I think the 390 Eden quoted related to Sydney only.
Sources at QF tell me that there will be promotion...but now I am not so sure.
Eden is usually well informed.
As more flying is handed to domestic and Jet* there is less requirement for LH CC
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The info that i posted about the numbers who took VR are correct. The 390 figure is the rounded figure but is the TOTAL figure COVERING ALL BASES.
Also there will be no promotion for the reason i explained earlier. I hope that clears up any confusion argus.moon.
Also there will be no promotion for the reason i explained earlier. I hope that clears up any confusion argus.moon.
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your quote eden
Also people need to be aware that the FAAA keeps things of a confidential nature secure...... for a whole host of valid reasons, so that crew interests are not damaged. However, expect something soon regarding NZ from the FAAA.
come on eden, just a little hint.
Also people need to be aware that the FAAA keeps things of a confidential nature secure...... for a whole host of valid reasons, so that crew interests are not damaged. However, expect something soon regarding NZ from the FAAA.
come on eden, just a little hint.
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Until QF crew both L/H & S/H can join forces without one group trying to undercut the other and play politics we are all at risk.
If we do not come up with a strategy for lowering the cost of full service crew compared to J* and it's sibling J* international we are shot ducks.
We may not exactly become extinct but our work area will be reduced significantly.It sounds as though the AKL base is going to be used as reducing agent by the company fairly soon if not at the end of 2007 which is not that far off.
Any ideas people????
If we do not come up with a strategy for lowering the cost of full service crew compared to J* and it's sibling J* international we are shot ducks.
We may not exactly become extinct but our work area will be reduced significantly.It sounds as though the AKL base is going to be used as reducing agent by the company fairly soon if not at the end of 2007 which is not that far off.
Any ideas people????
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just to make monday more enjoyable
Dixon, Qantas Chief Executive, Took 19% Pay Cut in Fiscal 2006 Sept. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Geoff Dixon, the chief executive officer of Qantas Airways Ltd., received 19 percent less pay from Australia's biggest airline last year.
Dixon earned A$5.3 million ($4 million) in the 12 months ended June 30 compared with A$6.5 million a year earlier, the Sydney-based company said in its annual report filed to the Australian Stock Exchange today.
He received A$2.02 million in salary plus a A$1.01 million bonus and the rest in stock and retirement benefits, according to the document. Chief Financial Officer Peter Gregg was the next highest paid executive with total remuneration of A$3.66 million, little changed from the previous year.
Dixon is leading a five-year cost-cutting program to trim A$3 billion in spending by fiscal 2008. He's cut jobs and moved discount carrier Jetstar, which is as much as 50 percent cheaper to run, onto international routes to help recover earnings from an estimated 40 percent rise in fuel costs this year.
dont you like accurate info
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After reading the post by qcc2 I am feeling incredibly sorry for our boss and feel as though we should pass the hat around to see if we can make up the difference for him.
It must be tough to try and live on only $5.3 million and I can only try to understand the burden he is facing.
I only wish I had his tax problem....
It must be tough to try and live on only $5.3 million and I can only try to understand the burden he is facing.
I only wish I had his tax problem....
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AKL base is wanting to be 350 by next june i was told by a friend the other day who is a part of the akl recruitment team. The biggest problem they are facing is the people coming through are just awful... over 50% of the applicants dont turn up on the day and the ones that do wouldnt have a clue of the difference between jetconnect and qantas mainline.
29K plus a few overnight allowances is a lot better than these people can do elsewhere so why wouldnt they take it.
Most NZ employers dont even pay super... these people getto work for a respected brand, wear a nice uniform and have nice stopovers in places they havent been before. Sad I know.. but dont shoot the messenger
29K plus a few overnight allowances is a lot better than these people can do elsewhere so why wouldnt they take it.
Most NZ employers dont even pay super... these people getto work for a respected brand, wear a nice uniform and have nice stopovers in places they havent been before. Sad I know.. but dont shoot the messenger
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Where's The Big Party?
So has Management announced where the Big Oct 1 VR party is to be held yet?
How do you start to do justice in saying "thank you" for over 8,000 years of loyal service to a company?
Will Geoff be donating part of his $1m bonus to buy a few rounds??.....
Maybe a couple of party pies and sausage rolls? Perhaps a few bottles of red from Lindsay's cellar?
Pigs Arse! Qantas Senior Management wouldn't fart in a f/a's general direction.
AT the HR office - Big Kev with pencil behind ear..
"35 years service eh? CSM? (yawn) Right -uniform? Tick
Manuals? Tick ID Tick. Well that's about it ! Security -escort this redundant piece of **** from the premises immediately! Next!"
To paraphrase TS Eliot, methinks the ending of a glorious career with Qantas now ends not so much with a BANG , but rather a whimper.........
Perhaps Pathfinders could earn an honest quid by organising a fitting Farewell Party for the Soon to be Departed - a great chance for all of us to say good-bye and do a bit of reminiscing. (Management will understand if they are not invited. This is the esprit de corp of Qantas circa 2006)
How do you start to do justice in saying "thank you" for over 8,000 years of loyal service to a company?
Will Geoff be donating part of his $1m bonus to buy a few rounds??.....
Maybe a couple of party pies and sausage rolls? Perhaps a few bottles of red from Lindsay's cellar?
Pigs Arse! Qantas Senior Management wouldn't fart in a f/a's general direction.
AT the HR office - Big Kev with pencil behind ear..
"35 years service eh? CSM? (yawn) Right -uniform? Tick
Manuals? Tick ID Tick. Well that's about it ! Security -escort this redundant piece of **** from the premises immediately! Next!"
To paraphrase TS Eliot, methinks the ending of a glorious career with Qantas now ends not so much with a BANG , but rather a whimper.........
Perhaps Pathfinders could earn an honest quid by organising a fitting Farewell Party for the Soon to be Departed - a great chance for all of us to say good-bye and do a bit of reminiscing. (Management will understand if they are not invited. This is the esprit de corp of Qantas circa 2006)
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Kicked out of the HKG hotel.
Cant verify the rumour but it seems we are going to be kicked out of the HKG hotel.
First the Queens Park and now Hong Kong, which must be one of the best pubs since the Mark Hopkins [well nearly]
It seems the Chavs [who had us kicked out of the BKK hotel for causing the hotel to empty the pool 3 times due to smashed glass] have upset the management of the hotel in HKG so much that we are now persona non grata.......
What next......Singapore?
First the Queens Park and now Hong Kong, which must be one of the best pubs since the Mark Hopkins [well nearly]
It seems the Chavs [who had us kicked out of the BKK hotel for causing the hotel to empty the pool 3 times due to smashed glass] have upset the management of the hotel in HKG so much that we are now persona non grata.......
What next......Singapore?
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The MASSIVE CREDIBILITY GAP within this Company
Qantas executives still doing nicelyScott Rochfort
September 12, 2006
QANTAS chief executive Geoff Dixon has taken a haircut on his annual bonus and incentive package.
But this has failed to appease unions, angered that the airline which is seeking sacrifices from its 34,000 workers still has managed to pay bonuses, massive contract renewal payments and pay rises to its senior executives.
The airline's annual report reveals Mr Dixon's total package for 2005-06 fell from $6.5 million to $5.3 million, largely thanks to his incentive payments being trimmed by the airline's 27 per cent dip in annual profits.
In all, Mr Dixon's incentives, post-employment benefit and share-based payments fell from around $4.5 million to $3.1 million. The package of the chief financial officer, Peter Gregg, rose marginally to $3.7 million.
But both Mr Dixon and Mr Gregg did well when their contracts - due to expire in mid-2007 - were renewed last month.
Mr Dixon was put on an "ongoing" contract, where he was paid a $7.7 million "benefit" in the form of a superannuation contribution. Mr Gregg was paid $4.5 million in cash for renewing his contract.
The hefty pay rise for senior executives such as Qantas's executive general manager John Borghetti, whose remuneration jumped from $1.8 million to $3.2 million, also infuriated unions.
"It leaves a sour taste in my mouth when these same people are reminding us to tighten our belts," said federal secretary of the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association Stephen Purvinas. "We would expect the generosity to be reciprocated when we enter into our next round of enterprise bargaining negotiations next month," Mr Purvinas said.
Unions also were angered by Qantas chairwoman Margaret Jackson's package, which rose 6 per cent to $534,000. The rest of the board also enjoyed pay rises, some of up to 76 per cent.
"Everybody knows that Qantas has one rule for the top and one rule for the bottom," Australian Services Union assistant national secretary Linda White said.
However, Qantas calmed nerves on another industrial front yesterday after a breakthrough in its long-stalled wage talks with maintenance unions.
"Qantas is pleased with the negotiations. We had productive meetings with them," the airline's head of people, Kevin Brown, said yesterday.
"We are optimistic we can reach agreement," he said, without specifying what breakthrough had been made.
The Australian Manufacturers Workers Union is expected to update its members on the talks - and possibly seek a vote - by next Monday.
September 12, 2006
QANTAS chief executive Geoff Dixon has taken a haircut on his annual bonus and incentive package.
But this has failed to appease unions, angered that the airline which is seeking sacrifices from its 34,000 workers still has managed to pay bonuses, massive contract renewal payments and pay rises to its senior executives.
The airline's annual report reveals Mr Dixon's total package for 2005-06 fell from $6.5 million to $5.3 million, largely thanks to his incentive payments being trimmed by the airline's 27 per cent dip in annual profits.
In all, Mr Dixon's incentives, post-employment benefit and share-based payments fell from around $4.5 million to $3.1 million. The package of the chief financial officer, Peter Gregg, rose marginally to $3.7 million.
But both Mr Dixon and Mr Gregg did well when their contracts - due to expire in mid-2007 - were renewed last month.
Mr Dixon was put on an "ongoing" contract, where he was paid a $7.7 million "benefit" in the form of a superannuation contribution. Mr Gregg was paid $4.5 million in cash for renewing his contract.
The hefty pay rise for senior executives such as Qantas's executive general manager John Borghetti, whose remuneration jumped from $1.8 million to $3.2 million, also infuriated unions.
"It leaves a sour taste in my mouth when these same people are reminding us to tighten our belts," said federal secretary of the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association Stephen Purvinas. "We would expect the generosity to be reciprocated when we enter into our next round of enterprise bargaining negotiations next month," Mr Purvinas said.
Unions also were angered by Qantas chairwoman Margaret Jackson's package, which rose 6 per cent to $534,000. The rest of the board also enjoyed pay rises, some of up to 76 per cent.
"Everybody knows that Qantas has one rule for the top and one rule for the bottom," Australian Services Union assistant national secretary Linda White said.
However, Qantas calmed nerves on another industrial front yesterday after a breakthrough in its long-stalled wage talks with maintenance unions.
"Qantas is pleased with the negotiations. We had productive meetings with them," the airline's head of people, Kevin Brown, said yesterday.
"We are optimistic we can reach agreement," he said, without specifying what breakthrough had been made.
The Australian Manufacturers Workers Union is expected to update its members on the talks - and possibly seek a vote - by next Monday.
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It warms my heart to know that our corporate management are looking after themselves.We certainly don't want people that have financial worries on their minds when they are trying to run the company in these difficult times.I think it is important that we do not seek any pay increases so that we will not be a burden on them in ensuring a return to our shareholders.
I certainly hope that J* is the success that the board hopes so that once again they can recieve the bonuses that they aspire to...............
excuse me while I throw up..............
Eden .........Thanks for the info,I did not realise how many crew were on directed LSL.It sounds as though the only way to become a CSM or a CSS is to take the LHR or AKL base.So much for aviation careers in Australia......Thanks Johnny
By the way apparently there will be a farewell party organized by "Life's Good'.....she say's to bring a plate and your own refreshments....water is available.
I certainly hope that J* is the success that the board hopes so that once again they can recieve the bonuses that they aspire to...............
excuse me while I throw up..............
Eden .........Thanks for the info,I did not realise how many crew were on directed LSL.It sounds as though the only way to become a CSM or a CSS is to take the LHR or AKL base.So much for aviation careers in Australia......Thanks Johnny
By the way apparently there will be a farewell party organized by "Life's Good'.....she say's to bring a plate and your own refreshments....water is available.
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Yes water will be available at the farewell party.......at three dollars a bottle......and after the party please do not take any chocolate biscuits home with you without the one dollar receipt as security will be posted at all doors to check these. Shame they don't arrest Borghetti for the theft of $1.4 million dollars 
In Memoriam.......would also like to take this opportunity to remember those cabin & flight crews who lost their lives doing their job on September 11, 2001
In Memoriam.......would also like to take this opportunity to remember those cabin & flight crews who lost their lives doing their job on September 11, 2001