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You know its not the word "domestic" or shorthaul" or purser/csm that really matters - it's the way in which many of the longhaulers say it with such disgust and malice.
You can't get over the fact the SH is doing some LH flying. I know it sucks for you - WE know the feeling. Jetstar has taken work from us, so has QF NZ but you dont see aggresive posts on here over the time from any SH crew.
You clearly do not have the monopoly on LH flying and its time you just accept it and move on. If you hate the place then i hope you took the package.
You can't get over the fact the SH is doing some LH flying. I know it sucks for you - WE know the feeling. Jetstar has taken work from us, so has QF NZ but you dont see aggresive posts on here over the time from any SH crew.
You clearly do not have the monopoly on LH flying and its time you just accept it and move on. If you hate the place then i hope you took the package.
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Regardless how many s/h csm's or fsd's or whatever you want to call them have been trained for s/h's needs ,it will not replace 50 or 60 or 80 or however many csm's are taking vr in l/h unless of course QF is planning to reduce our flying substantially.When do those LHR based crew get back and are we sure that the company cannot use the crew made up to CSS and CSM when they are back home ???
It sounds as though we will have the usual cluster f@#* when it comes to crewing over the Christmas period.Crew will be called out of category ,so I suppose there will be some money to be made but eventually there will have to be some promotions if that many csm's and css's have taken the package.
The company has just told us that there is a surplus of crew and hence the vr offer.They also said that if they did not get enough crew to take up the offer ,they would offer it to s/h to get the required numbers.
Well,they got enough and in fact it was in excess of the 325 crew required and they still offered it to s/h as well...go figure.
QCC is a little like Alice in Wonderland..where nothing is as it seems..
If there are shortages of certain crew categories and they have stuffed up in their calculations it will be interesting to see how long it will be before the adverts for cabin crew appear in the paper and the company spends a great deal of money on training and promoting existing crew to the on board managers position just after they have spent a considerable amount of money on paying crew in those positions to leave......or will something tricky happen..time will tell....
It sounds as though we will have the usual cluster f@#* when it comes to crewing over the Christmas period.Crew will be called out of category ,so I suppose there will be some money to be made but eventually there will have to be some promotions if that many csm's and css's have taken the package.
The company has just told us that there is a surplus of crew and hence the vr offer.They also said that if they did not get enough crew to take up the offer ,they would offer it to s/h to get the required numbers.
Well,they got enough and in fact it was in excess of the 325 crew required and they still offered it to s/h as well...go figure.
QCC is a little like Alice in Wonderland..where nothing is as it seems..
If there are shortages of certain crew categories and they have stuffed up in their calculations it will be interesting to see how long it will be before the adverts for cabin crew appear in the paper and the company spends a great deal of money on training and promoting existing crew to the on board managers position just after they have spent a considerable amount of money on paying crew in those positions to leave......or will something tricky happen..time will tell....
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monopoly?
syd s/h, no one is saying that lh has a monopoly on lh flying.
the company has stated when they put out vr that they don't intend to promote anyone in lh.
in the meantime ccm lh in syd have ask some csm's who they think which css would make a good csm. in akl the kiwis have been ask if they want the css/csm job (i thinkf its nz$ 2500.- extra for a css, not sure about a csm)
. our domestic collegues have had a big increase in csm's. lh looses bom/bej/ nrt out of mel.i feel sorry for all those lh guys who have put in the time/effort trying to get ready for a promotion and nothing happens.
as for the future csm training most likely online or a cd in the mail .
the company has stated when they put out vr that they don't intend to promote anyone in lh. in the meantime ccm lh in syd have ask some csm's who they think which css would make a good csm. in akl the kiwis have been ask if they want the css/csm job (i thinkf its nz$ 2500.- extra for a css, not sure about a csm) . our domestic collegues have had a big increase in csm's. lh looses bom/bej/ nrt out of mel.i feel sorry for all those lh guys who have put in the time/effort trying to get ready for a promotion and nothing happens. as for the future csm training most likely online or a cd in the mail
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Domestic
Lets get this straight:
A purser domestic does not equate to a longhaul CSM...never has, never will
It is not clever for domestic to do longhaul flying for less pay.
It is even worse to be proud of it!!!
A purser domestic does not equate to a longhaul CSM...never has, never will
It is not clever for domestic to do longhaul flying for less pay.
It is even worse to be proud of it!!!
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Surfside - Lets get something straight.
In times past i would agree that a SH CSM has not had the experiances or whatever you want to call it that a LH CSM has had. Not anymore.
We are doing Hong Kong, Singapore, Narita, Manila, Jakarta, Auckland, Denpasar, Christchurch, Shanghai's (awhile ago) and soon Bejing and Bombay.
I think that the SH CSM's have earnt their stripes.
And dont tell me that a 747 is a huge aircraft etc. An A330 holds 300 pax.
And regarding allowances that we do (or dont get), i agree - it is stupid that SH accepted to do it under these conditions.
At what point did i say i was proud of it???
In times past i would agree that a SH CSM has not had the experiances or whatever you want to call it that a LH CSM has had. Not anymore.
We are doing Hong Kong, Singapore, Narita, Manila, Jakarta, Auckland, Denpasar, Christchurch, Shanghai's (awhile ago) and soon Bejing and Bombay.
I think that the SH CSM's have earnt their stripes.
And dont tell me that a 747 is a huge aircraft etc. An A330 holds 300 pax.
And regarding allowances that we do (or dont get), i agree - it is stupid that SH accepted to do it under these conditions.
At what point did i say i was proud of it???
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When you have ten years international flying under your belt may be then you have earnt your stripes.
To be frank you can do all the longhaul stuff you like.
You guys had virtually all the family friendly flying....now you dont.
Jetlag ,fatigue back of the clock flying for less bucks.
When Jetstar gets going you will lose a lot of destinations.
You are nothing more than a stopgap.
The only people who work for less than what is acceptable are those who are underqualified.They realise they are underqualified and are prepared to take the pay cut.
Qantas will do you no favours....you are nothing more than a number..if even that.
You are naive....you'll learn
To be frank you can do all the longhaul stuff you like.
You guys had virtually all the family friendly flying....now you dont.
Jetlag ,fatigue back of the clock flying for less bucks.
When Jetstar gets going you will lose a lot of destinations.
You are nothing more than a stopgap.
The only people who work for less than what is acceptable are those who are underqualified.They realise they are underqualified and are prepared to take the pay cut.
Qantas will do you no favours....you are nothing more than a number..if even that.
You are naive....you'll learn
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Instead of getting into a p#$$#*@ contest which serves no purpose at all except to get this thread closed again let's be constructive.
To those who post here that appear to be connected with the faaa(one of whom successfully predicted that the VR decision was imminent and likely to be Friday) tell us how many crew recieved VR.If you can do that can you tell us or even hint at how many were CSM's or CSS's.You were tripping over each other to defend MM's move onto the QF superboard so we know you watch this board and respond to criticism.How about posting some constructive information that does not jeopardise any confidentiality.
This will give us an idea of the shortfall in crewing there will be come the 2nd of October or so.
We all know that the company loves playing one section against another but we don't have to help them by doing it here.
To those who post here that appear to be connected with the faaa(one of whom successfully predicted that the VR decision was imminent and likely to be Friday) tell us how many crew recieved VR.If you can do that can you tell us or even hint at how many were CSM's or CSS's.You were tripping over each other to defend MM's move onto the QF superboard so we know you watch this board and respond to criticism.How about posting some constructive information that does not jeopardise any confidentiality.
This will give us an idea of the shortfall in crewing there will be come the 2nd of October or so.
We all know that the company loves playing one section against another but we don't have to help them by doing it here.
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surfside -
I totally empathise and agree with you in many aspects. However you needn't get so emotional as it only dilutes your arguement. I worked with a SH CSM today who was 30 + years ex-TAA chick (fairy dust coming from the engines - you know the type...) on a SIN-PER sector and she was EVERY bit as competent and wordly as any LH CSM/FSD I have ever met both at work and outside of work. There is no need to over-generalise. Infact there are many SH CSMs of varying levels of experience who should be commended for stepping up to the plate and working as hard as they do.
I agree with redTbar in that the pissing contest is needless and only benefits the company.
Personally I feel the situation is only going to escalate as long as our union is split into two divisions. What happened to the 'union' in our union? We all work for the same company and are lining the same pockets. What happened to the support we are supposed to show toward each other?
I totally empathise and agree with you in many aspects. However you needn't get so emotional as it only dilutes your arguement. I worked with a SH CSM today who was 30 + years ex-TAA chick (fairy dust coming from the engines - you know the type...) on a SIN-PER sector and she was EVERY bit as competent and wordly as any LH CSM/FSD I have ever met both at work and outside of work. There is no need to over-generalise. Infact there are many SH CSMs of varying levels of experience who should be commended for stepping up to the plate and working as hard as they do.
I agree with redTbar in that the pissing contest is needless and only benefits the company.
Personally I feel the situation is only going to escalate as long as our union is split into two divisions. What happened to the 'union' in our union? We all work for the same company and are lining the same pockets. What happened to the support we are supposed to show toward each other?
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Hey Surfside,
one thing puzzles me. Do you think that shorthaul flying is easy??
Do you think that doing 4 sectors up and down to melbourne on a 767-300 with 48mins to do services 4 times a day with full loads is easy??
Working a 10hr20min day without the chance to sit down and have something to eat?
Having the same pax problems but without ANY time to sort it out to appease our problem pax?
And whats with the "underqualified" rubbish. You can pour tea/coffee better or something? Your a joke.
You have no idea sunshine.
Pull your head in and stop with the attacks on SH.
One thing that is very interesting on this website pprune is the consistant whinging from QF LH crew. Some of you think that your the only hard done by people. You NEVER see QF SH carry on like some of you clowns do.
When LH took "our" Cairns returns and Perth returns where was the comments from QF SH crew? Nothing.
I see a jumbo parked at "our" terminal in Sydney everyday. Comments from us...?? Nothing.
Get over yourself. Naive? Maybe. We'll see.
one thing puzzles me. Do you think that shorthaul flying is easy??
Do you think that doing 4 sectors up and down to melbourne on a 767-300 with 48mins to do services 4 times a day with full loads is easy??
Working a 10hr20min day without the chance to sit down and have something to eat?
Having the same pax problems but without ANY time to sort it out to appease our problem pax?
And whats with the "underqualified" rubbish. You can pour tea/coffee better or something? Your a joke.
You have no idea sunshine.
Pull your head in and stop with the attacks on SH.
One thing that is very interesting on this website pprune is the consistant whinging from QF LH crew. Some of you think that your the only hard done by people. You NEVER see QF SH carry on like some of you clowns do.
When LH took "our" Cairns returns and Perth returns where was the comments from QF SH crew? Nothing.
I see a jumbo parked at "our" terminal in Sydney everyday. Comments from us...?? Nothing.
Get over yourself. Naive? Maybe. We'll see.
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I have to agree with Sydney S/H here. Ive been reading this thread for a bit now and I cant believe the way some people carry on. At Qantas the short haul division is a group of flight attendants on different contracts.
They learn basically the same aircraft and operate similar sectors. There are reasons beyond the money saving that the jobs are being allocated elsewhere and its because LH Aussie crew are a bunch of lazy overpaid whingers.
Yerp I will agree LH is totally different to SH, at least with long haul when 7 hours have passed you're still on your first sector deteriorating with the pax and not having to brush your teeth again for the next lot of demanding travel royalty.
Ive done both sorts of flying and I know which one was harder and it certainly wasnt the one where i got a cheese platter during my briefing or a secluded rest area onboard.....
They learn basically the same aircraft and operate similar sectors. There are reasons beyond the money saving that the jobs are being allocated elsewhere and its because LH Aussie crew are a bunch of lazy overpaid whingers.
Yerp I will agree LH is totally different to SH, at least with long haul when 7 hours have passed you're still on your first sector deteriorating with the pax and not having to brush your teeth again for the next lot of demanding travel royalty.
Ive done both sorts of flying and I know which one was harder and it certainly wasnt the one where i got a cheese platter during my briefing or a secluded rest area onboard.....
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Oh and before you all dump **** on me for being a kiwi, im an aussie who is based in nz now and has been for 6 months as i moved with my partner so im not a kiwi who bashes aussies either.
Im ashamed of some of the things ive seen onboard!
Im ashamed of some of the things ive seen onboard!
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syd/domestic,
the fact that you can't seem to understand the resentment Longhaul crew feel for your lot indicates that you are either disengenuous or stupid.
In case you are the later I will explain it to you.
We resent the fact that our flying is being leeched to you BECAUSE YOU NEGOTIATED WITH QANTAS TO DO IT FOR LESS MONEY.
It is the ONLY reason you are doing it.
We have hundreds and hundreds of Mandarin, Tagalog, Hindi, Cantonese, Indonesian, Japanese etc language speakers WHO WERE EMPLOYED SPECIFICALLY TO SERVICE THE PASSENGERS TO AND FROM THE DESTINATIONS THAT YOU NOW FLY TO.
You quite simply undercut us and no amount of weasel words on your behalf will EVER change the fact.
Maintaining decent terms and conditions in this industry under the onslaught of dixon and his henchmen has been made all the more difficult FOR US because of these actions.
As for your argument re 743/744s at the DOMESTIC terminal.
They are used for CAPACITY reasons AND NOT because we agreed with Qantas to do it for less.
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Sebby,
so AKL based FA's are now the new role models?
Riiiiiiiight............
the fact that you can't seem to understand the resentment Longhaul crew feel for your lot indicates that you are either disengenuous or stupid.
In case you are the later I will explain it to you.
We resent the fact that our flying is being leeched to you BECAUSE YOU NEGOTIATED WITH QANTAS TO DO IT FOR LESS MONEY.
It is the ONLY reason you are doing it.
We have hundreds and hundreds of Mandarin, Tagalog, Hindi, Cantonese, Indonesian, Japanese etc language speakers WHO WERE EMPLOYED SPECIFICALLY TO SERVICE THE PASSENGERS TO AND FROM THE DESTINATIONS THAT YOU NOW FLY TO.
You quite simply undercut us and no amount of weasel words on your behalf will EVER change the fact.
Maintaining decent terms and conditions in this industry under the onslaught of dixon and his henchmen has been made all the more difficult FOR US because of these actions.
As for your argument re 743/744s at the DOMESTIC terminal.
They are used for CAPACITY reasons AND NOT because we agreed with Qantas to do it for less.
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Sebby,
so AKL based FA's are now the new role models?
Riiiiiiiight............
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Well how would you know mostie?... you were probably sitting down the back reading your womens day while any service was going on.
Look, i agree, jobs offshore makes me
,and placing people who get paid "less" in more demanding positions is (the way of the future) poor and in this industry the $$ are so precious so terms and conditions are just going to keep going down the gutter. Standing up for yourself doesnt go anywhere.
However placing blame on the people who have no control over these decisions is poor judgement.
Look, i agree, jobs offshore makes me
,and placing people who get paid "less" in more demanding positions is (the way of the future) poor and in this industry the $$ are so precious so terms and conditions are just going to keep going down the gutter. Standing up for yourself doesnt go anywhere. However placing blame on the people who have no control over these decisions is poor judgement.
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Pfft..... im not even going to get into it. Your days of glamour are over, about time someone put a stop to the mockery QF long haul crew had in the industry... enjoy your VR, its the only way you'll be paying your bills from now on.
Oh and by the way im not 21, like you, I wish i still was
Oh and by the way im not 21, like you, I wish i still was
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Sebby.
When you lose your job to Jet* because they undercut you, you will then understand what we at LH AUS based crew feel about Aussies that go to AKL and do the job for less and are willing to accept 3rd world conditions.
Believe me it will happen that Jet* will undercut the AKL base........it will happen............
When you lose your job to Jet* because they undercut you, you will then understand what we at LH AUS based crew feel about Aussies that go to AKL and do the job for less and are willing to accept 3rd world conditions.
Believe me it will happen that Jet* will undercut the AKL base........it will happen............
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Cartxchange - I never left AUS to work for less or lesser conditions, i merely took the job to keep me employed whilst i found something else to support my partner and his new (very wel paid 
) role.
I have now found that and get paid more than I was in Australia. (Flying and all!).
I agree with you and it was my motivating factor for getting out, the QF group disgusts me, but who is anyone else to point the finger at anyone else but the management for these issues. The SH crew dont deserve to be slandered for signing a contract, QF should be for putting that offer to them.
As for Jetstar.. well dont even get me started! As far as I am concerned, all aussie crew were my colleagues whether they be link, sh or lh... we all assist the same people along the way to get them to where they need to go, and i respect each person in their role.
) role. I have now found that and get paid more than I was in Australia. (Flying and all!).
I agree with you and it was my motivating factor for getting out, the QF group disgusts me, but who is anyone else to point the finger at anyone else but the management for these issues. The SH crew dont deserve to be slandered for signing a contract, QF should be for putting that offer to them.
As for Jetstar.. well
dont even get me started! As far as I am concerned, all aussie crew were my colleagues whether they be link, sh or lh... we all assist the same people along the way to get them to where they need to go, and i respect each person in their role.
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thats better.............
shame we dont all stick together.
on another note,does anyone know the details about that flasher crew member on the NRT flight.......the story sounds hilarious.
shame we dont all stick together.
on another note,does anyone know the details about that flasher crew member on the NRT flight.......the story sounds hilarious.