JETSTAR EBA - Voting opens today
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I too have had WAY too many phone calls, text messages, emails, morse codes, carrier pigeons, sky sign writers, telex's, faxes, telegrams, wandering minstrels, smoke signals, and mental telepathy brainwashing reminding me to vote that its driving me crazy
I even had a dream that I opened my cereal box and out popped a leprechaun with a "how to vote" card. Oh...sorry......I think that was a nightmare actually
Anyway, I think its only fair that I should be entitled to at least vote the same number of times that its taken them to remind me, and we know what that would mean
I even had a dream that I opened my cereal box and out popped a leprechaun with a "how to vote" card. Oh...sorry......I think that was a nightmare actually
Anyway, I think its only fair that I should be entitled to at least vote the same number of times that its taken them to remind me, and we know what that would mean
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hahaha... Now I try not to allude to who I am on these forums... but I feel I need to in this instance.
I'm not a flight attendant and even I have had a reminder email to vote.
I'm not a flight attendant and even I have had a reminder email to vote.
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Action speaks truer/louder than words.
I email and voice issues to both faaa and management. I go through the correct channels (whether it be phone calls or reports) and back up with statements of incidents and qualify with constructive suggestions.
I do not have any personal bias to any reps of either management or faaa, none are personal friends, I work to my best ability and hope that I will be supported and that I will be safe.
The last thread was closed ..... - My point......rarely do I hear back from either faaa or management.
It's not about us...the picture is too big.... and too profitable.
I email and voice issues to both faaa and management. I go through the correct channels (whether it be phone calls or reports) and back up with statements of incidents and qualify with constructive suggestions.
I do not have any personal bias to any reps of either management or faaa, none are personal friends, I work to my best ability and hope that I will be supported and that I will be safe.
The last thread was closed ..... - My point......rarely do I hear back from either faaa or management.
It's not about us...the picture is too big.... and too profitable.
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isnt 'spamming' illegal?
why are they SO desperate to get us to vote? like, i know that its vital that the company show their support/non support for the idea but why are management SO committed to making sure that we vote?
methinks that this international thing, and some domestic flying is hanging in the balance of a positive EBA vote - they are probably royally screwed if it dosent go through.
why are they SO desperate to get us to vote? like, i know that its vital that the company show their support/non support for the idea but why are management SO committed to making sure that we vote?
methinks that this international thing, and some domestic flying is hanging in the balance of a positive EBA vote - they are probably royally screwed if it dosent go through.
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You are SO right Shesinthegalley...
They like to believe that they are in control..... But they are some very scared management (use that term loosely) types who will be up the creek if it all doesn't go to plan..........
They like to believe that they are in control..... But they are some very scared management (use that term loosely) types who will be up the creek if it all doesn't go to plan..........
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Voting - Is It No
I am a bit confused by the whole thing. Initially I Was under the impression to vote NO, now after talking wit crew from different bases, I am getting told that they are voting YES. Help, I want to have a say but am so confused and am newish to the company. 6 months
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Read and understand the conditions
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Probably too late now.
If you are new to flying or not, understand the conditions you vote for.
If you have doubts, vote accordingly, not what you think the 'others' want you to.
It's clear if you talk to someone voting 'no', they are clear on what they have decided, 'yes' voters are only driven by fear.
I agree, it's all about pushing the next stage thru, all about profit and schedule.
It's not about conditions.
Management, faaa = same, same......
Probably too late now.
If you are new to flying or not, understand the conditions you vote for.
If you have doubts, vote accordingly, not what you think the 'others' want you to.
It's clear if you talk to someone voting 'no', they are clear on what they have decided, 'yes' voters are only driven by fear.
I agree, it's all about pushing the next stage thru, all about profit and schedule.
It's not about conditions.
Management, faaa = same, same......
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"'yes' voters are only driven by fear."
I voted yes for a number of reasons, not least of which for the following reasons:
1) Not that this affects me, but the new EBA allows mums-to-be to take 2 years maternity leave, one additional year over the current one. Would we have had this option under an AWA - probably not.
2) The new pay scales (which benefit me, and all the oldies) + 9% over 3 years is a pay increase I - like everyone else - deserves. We haven't had a payrise in 2 years.
3) This industry - especially the Qantas Group - is about survival of the fittest. That's not a statement of fear, that's fact. Sure, it's about the business, but it's also give and take like any EBA...you trade for benefits.
4) There isn't anything in this EBA that hasn't already been done by other airlines in this country, including others under the QF Group banner.
It amazes me that with each EBA at this airline, crew want the world, but don't want to trade anything for it. That is - and always has been - the nature of Enterprise Bargaining.
"Management, faaa = same, same......"
There is nothing friendly about the WorkChoices legislation or AWAs. If fact, for you, masquerades as fear, then so be it.
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One small step for man -
One giant kick up the cake hole for JQ Cabin Crew.
The main thing is that we have all be fooled and taken for a ride..... Congratulations to the yes voters (including Mr Seatback)
9% over 3 years.... I'll be able to retire and live off the interest....
Just means that 77% of the crew at Jetstar will no longer be whinging about conditions and pay anymore....... AND 110 smug faces
One giant kick up the cake hole for JQ Cabin Crew.
The main thing is that we have all be fooled and taken for a ride..... Congratulations to the yes voters (including Mr Seatback)
9% over 3 years.... I'll be able to retire and live off the interest....
Just means that 77% of the crew at Jetstar will no longer be whinging about conditions and pay anymore....... AND 110 smug faces
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Ok...I just can't resist...
At the risk of asking an open question of the No voters...
What would you deem to be the perfect EBA (in a perfect world)?
Given that we got new increments as well as the 9% over 3 years, I'd be curious to know where else we could have got more money from - given that the QF Group haven't given any of the other flying units new increments, I'm wildly curious...
You're kidding right? 
At the risk of asking an open question of the No voters...
What would you deem to be the perfect EBA (in a perfect world)?
Given that we got new increments as well as the 9% over 3 years, I'd be curious to know where else we could have got more money from - given that the QF Group haven't given any of the other flying units new increments, I'm wildly curious...
"Just means that 77% of the crew at Jetstar will no longer be whinging about conditions and pay anymore"
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sheet -
I get two posts that mean the same thing but worded differently. Wow.
Why vote yes? (Not that I would have. There is enough 18 year-old ex Priceline cashiers at Jetstar to ensure that managment's phone and email harrasment campaign is followed.) The repercussions of the EBA being voted down would be disasterous. Jetstar management get away with too much victimisation and harrasment as it is. Look at how such loyal and hardworking employees are treated at Jetstar. Just imagine what would happen in a world of AWAs.
Please do not mistake my last post as support for Jetstar or its management. A collective agreement is about the last thing that Jetstar flight attendants haven't had raped from them by the thugs in Bourke Street and union with seemingly diminshing power. It offers what little protection is available under these harsh new laws - which by the way - were not around when the EBA was voted down.
I would have voted NO, by the way. Except this time the fools didn't send me voting details like they did last time, despite having resigned. My oh my, management must have been desperate - with all of the emails and phone calls. Maybe that is recognition the EBA is substandard and not worth half of the quality effort Jetstar's loyal employees have given over the years.
So Sheet, are you management? Or aspiring to be? Either way you need not be so intimidating toward me. I would be embarrased to support your cause. You wouldn't have half a clue about the effort put in by cabin crew at Impulse or QantasLink. You are obviously ignorant in that regard. The continual degradation of condtions and bullying tactics of Jetstar managment are appalling. You palm off myself and the many that share my opinion as being negative and against change. Nothing could be further from the truth. We are also more qualified to be making such statements, having been working at the company far longer than you.
Jetstar flight attendants ARE being taken advantage of. They DO deserve so much more. No amount of propaganda that comes from your mouth can change that. Fact is most Jetstar flight attendants are looking for a way out and feel they are being mistreated. I challange you to find an argument that suggests otherwise.
So go act up as CM, work as many days off as you can and operate outside the agreement as much as you like. At the end of the day when management are through with you your bottom will be just as sore as the next person's.
I get two posts that mean the same thing but worded differently. Wow.
Why vote yes? (Not that I would have. There is enough 18 year-old ex Priceline cashiers at Jetstar to ensure that managment's phone and email harrasment campaign is followed.) The repercussions of the EBA being voted down would be disasterous. Jetstar management get away with too much victimisation and harrasment as it is. Look at how such loyal and hardworking employees are treated at Jetstar. Just imagine what would happen in a world of AWAs.
Please do not mistake my last post as support for Jetstar or its management. A collective agreement is about the last thing that Jetstar flight attendants haven't had raped from them by the thugs in Bourke Street and union with seemingly diminshing power. It offers what little protection is available under these harsh new laws - which by the way - were not around when the EBA was voted down.
I would have voted NO, by the way. Except this time the fools didn't send me voting details like they did last time, despite having resigned. My oh my, management must have been desperate - with all of the emails and phone calls. Maybe that is recognition the EBA is substandard and not worth half of the quality effort Jetstar's loyal employees have given over the years.
So Sheet, are you management? Or aspiring to be? Either way you need not be so intimidating toward me. I would be embarrased to support your cause. You wouldn't have half a clue about the effort put in by cabin crew at Impulse or QantasLink. You are obviously ignorant in that regard. The continual degradation of condtions and bullying tactics of Jetstar managment are appalling. You palm off myself and the many that share my opinion as being negative and against change. Nothing could be further from the truth. We are also more qualified to be making such statements, having been working at the company far longer than you.
Jetstar flight attendants ARE being taken advantage of. They DO deserve so much more. No amount of propaganda that comes from your mouth can change that. Fact is most Jetstar flight attendants are looking for a way out and feel they are being mistreated. I challange you to find an argument that suggests otherwise.
So go act up as CM, work as many days off as you can and operate outside the agreement as much as you like. At the end of the day when management are through with you your bottom will be just as sore as the next person's.
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Oh......Yay
A yes vote, how very suprising........NOT!
Well I hope you all enjoy your $800 bribe payment, cause you'll need to spend it on vitamin supplements just to cope with our 11hr days and BOC duties. Oh thats right, there's also $80 BOC allowance. Well that will go on a supply of diazepam because your body clock will be so f
d up from the 7 of those we can do a month!
If I hear a single FA complain about how tired they are after another 11hr day, my first question will be......"and how did you vote in the EBA?" Bet there wont be many crew owning up to a "YES" vote in 6 months time
It truly is a sad day
A yes vote, how very suprising........NOT!
Well I hope you all enjoy your $800 bribe payment, cause you'll need to spend it on vitamin supplements just to cope with our 11hr days and BOC duties. Oh thats right, there's also $80 BOC allowance. Well that will go on a supply of diazepam because your body clock will be so f
d up from the 7 of those we can do a month! If I hear a single FA complain about how tired they are after another 11hr day, my first question will be......"and how did you vote in the EBA?" Bet there wont be many crew owning up to a "YES" vote in 6 months time
It truly is a sad day
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How many people voted? What will the $800 be worth once it is lumped into your normal pay and taxed?
It is so terrible that the courage and unity of the initial NO vote ended in a desperate snatch at survival. Not a desirable situation by any means.
OldBoiler is right in saying there won't be many crew owning up to a YES vote in a few months time once both the reality has kicked in and the $800 has wittled to nothing.
At least you are offered the very basic comforts of right as a collective group under this agreement. I really do think Jetstar would have taken any measure necessary to introduce AWAs and let the rot continue. They seem so keen on becoming the lowest common denominator in aviation employment in the region.
What sort of affect would a strict 'Work to Rule' campaign have at Jetstar at the moment? People like Sheet aside, I am sure it would be an operational nightmare for them.
It is so terrible that the courage and unity of the initial NO vote ended in a desperate snatch at survival. Not a desirable situation by any means.
OldBoiler is right in saying there won't be many crew owning up to a YES vote in a few months time once both the reality has kicked in and the $800 has wittled to nothing.
At least you are offered the very basic comforts of right as a collective group under this agreement. I really do think Jetstar would have taken any measure necessary to introduce AWAs and let the rot continue. They seem so keen on becoming the lowest common denominator in aviation employment in the region.
What sort of affect would a strict 'Work to Rule' campaign have at Jetstar at the moment? People like Sheet aside, I am sure it would be an operational nightmare for them.
