QANTAS CABIN CREW DISCUSSIONS ( IV)
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I Believe.....
1.I Believe that the management of Qantas Airways is totally remote from its workforce and the realities facing frontline staff on a day to day basis.
2.I believe that Qantas management care little about the company or the general health and wellbeing of employees or their families
3.I believe that Qantas management are motivated by incentive bonuses and these bonuses only.
4.I believe that as an employee I am seen as an obstacle to greater profit because I am viewed as a cost.
5.I believe that Qantas management are totally disinterested in what I think or have to offer.
6. I believe in my fellow employees and their extraordinary tolerance and capacity to adapt to change in the face of managerial indifference.
7.I believe that Qantas manages its staff through fear and intimidation.
8.I believe that the safety of Qantas Aircraft and employees is now at peril.
9.I believe the amount of renumeration received by management is obscene.
10.I believe that John Borghetti`s comments on July 5 are indicative of managerial remoteness from and contempt for Qantas employees in general.
2.I believe that Qantas management care little about the company or the general health and wellbeing of employees or their families
3.I believe that Qantas management are motivated by incentive bonuses and these bonuses only.
4.I believe that as an employee I am seen as an obstacle to greater profit because I am viewed as a cost.
5.I believe that Qantas management are totally disinterested in what I think or have to offer.
6. I believe in my fellow employees and their extraordinary tolerance and capacity to adapt to change in the face of managerial indifference.
7.I believe that Qantas manages its staff through fear and intimidation.
8.I believe that the safety of Qantas Aircraft and employees is now at peril.
9.I believe the amount of renumeration received by management is obscene.
10.I believe that John Borghetti`s comments on July 5 are indicative of managerial remoteness from and contempt for Qantas employees in general.
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Il Duce - Qantas's resident fascist midget......
I do not dispute your right to your own opinion. I do dispute your right to post that opinion in this forum if it contravenes the rules.
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Ben Elton Beware!
Great to see the Duke of Borg doing stand -up comedy for the troops in these hard times.
has anyone shown him the Hewitt survey results??
believe in qf management?! priceless!
has anyone shown him the Hewitt survey results??
believe in qf management?! priceless!
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mach2male wrote
You need to do one of two things: put up or shut up. If you chose the latter option, you should also resign.
Also, mach2male, if you really believe that Qantas is as bad as you write, do everyone a favour and resign before it's too late lest you be marched off for some psychological assessment.
I believe that the safety of Qantas Aircraft and employees is now at peril.
Also, mach2male, if you really believe that Qantas is as bad as you write, do everyone a favour and resign before it's too late lest you be marched off for some psychological assessment.
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quote.... George Bernard Shaw.!!
Hey .... BLA Lerty,
'Just to prove that we are all literary genii on this thread,- a quote just for you, from someone also great in the field of literature.
"MY WAY OF JOKING IS TO TELL THE TRUTH, IT'S THE FUNNIEST JOKE IN THE WORLD".
-G. B. Shaw.
'Just to prove that we are all literary genii on this thread,- a quote just for you, from someone also great in the field of literature.
"MY WAY OF JOKING IS TO TELL THE TRUTH, IT'S THE FUNNIEST JOKE IN THE WORLD".
-G. B. Shaw.
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Ba lert and QCC2,
belief in QF management took a massive nose dive when following Sept 11 all staff took a pay freeze. We did this because colleagues in our industry perished doing the job that we ourselves do. Mgmt used our sorrow and sympathy to ask for a wage freeze. Due to the circumstances world aviation was a huge mess.At the time it was not an unreasonable request.
What was astounding was 6 months later allegedly mgmt awarded themselves their annual bonus to be paid 3 yrs later so I was told.
How close that is to the truth I'm not sure can anyone varify as it was one of the big rumours which did undermine our faith with mgmt at the time.
What is fact is not so long ago many of the former line managers acted as strikebreakers, deciding to support the Company (right or wrong)during a dispute(stop work meeting). The reward from mgmt for line managers taking and making a stand on mgmts behalf was to sack them as line managers and kick them back to their lowly position of CSM. If you want to see damaged goods, low morale, negativity, disgust at mgmt and disgust at themselves for making a poor choice you need to fly with our former line management.
We as cabin crew were incredulous at how these line managers were treated for as Mr Borg says believing in management.
We recently witnessed what mgmt was prepared to work our kiwi and Thai buddies on last periods Africa trips. The slip formula was one, one, one, one! This stopped when allegedley 2 Thai crew collapsed after arriving at Sydney airport on one of these draconian trips.This sort of treatment of a foreign workforce is what Nike was criticised for.
Another great example is the overseas base increase. We voted to give the company an increase in base numbers. What is the reward or thanks? The Kiwis and Thais work 240 plus hours (massive fatigue - BA Lerty) while Aussie crew sit at home on reserve unable to get their hours up. The former two examples should give you a glimpse of some safety issues and how we are valued and rewarded for working with mgmt . Don't lets get started on that.
Our belief in management is underscored by the examples of management above, Im sure there are plenty more but these will do to illustrate our belief in management .Honestly its hard to believe.What is also incredulous is that mgmt needs a survey to find out why the staff are disengaged. Whats even more incredulous is the statement asking us to have faith in management. If it wasn't so serious that a very senior manager appears so far out of touch with his staff it would make a great skit for the review.It would bring the house down in uproarious gales of laughter. Unfortunately it is serious, and it is very distressing.
BA Lerty we have great belief in management. Our belief comes from how they have acted in past and recent times.
We believe in the kangaroo that represents all of the employees who have made this a great business which all Australians can be proud.The mgmt who are currently at the helm have enjoyed a business success given to them. Yes we now exist in a hard aviation environment but it speaks loud when mgmt continue to give themselves bonuses while nailing its hard working employees during difficult times.
I think we all believe that nothing will change and that we dont matter.
Why should we resign because we still believe in what we do and despite mgmt that come and go we are loyal to the Company many of us have helped build into the icon that it is famous for, great Australian service from pilots, engineers and cabin crew.
QCC2 do you think we wake up each day waiting to make negative criticisms about a company and a job we have loved for many years. We make the effort to contribute on here because we hope someone from somewhere who has some power and influence might see the difference between negativity and hope. Hope that there is a fundamental philosophical change with mgmt that staff are to be respected, valued, appreciated and maybe even rewarded.Is job security such a bad reward for hard working, loyal ,fantastic and professional staff?
They might also realise it is this staff that have largely contributed to the success our Company has and is (only just) famous for. Lets hope this value is realised and supported before our Company becomes likened with other former great institutions which have unfortunately met their demise. We live in hope.
belief in QF management took a massive nose dive when following Sept 11 all staff took a pay freeze. We did this because colleagues in our industry perished doing the job that we ourselves do. Mgmt used our sorrow and sympathy to ask for a wage freeze. Due to the circumstances world aviation was a huge mess.At the time it was not an unreasonable request.
What was astounding was 6 months later allegedly mgmt awarded themselves their annual bonus to be paid 3 yrs later so I was told.
How close that is to the truth I'm not sure can anyone varify as it was one of the big rumours which did undermine our faith with mgmt at the time.
What is fact is not so long ago many of the former line managers acted as strikebreakers, deciding to support the Company (right or wrong)during a dispute(stop work meeting). The reward from mgmt for line managers taking and making a stand on mgmts behalf was to sack them as line managers and kick them back to their lowly position of CSM. If you want to see damaged goods, low morale, negativity, disgust at mgmt and disgust at themselves for making a poor choice you need to fly with our former line management.
We as cabin crew were incredulous at how these line managers were treated for as Mr Borg says believing in management.
We recently witnessed what mgmt was prepared to work our kiwi and Thai buddies on last periods Africa trips. The slip formula was one, one, one, one! This stopped when allegedley 2 Thai crew collapsed after arriving at Sydney airport on one of these draconian trips.This sort of treatment of a foreign workforce is what Nike was criticised for.
Another great example is the overseas base increase. We voted to give the company an increase in base numbers. What is the reward or thanks? The Kiwis and Thais work 240 plus hours (massive fatigue - BA Lerty) while Aussie crew sit at home on reserve unable to get their hours up. The former two examples should give you a glimpse of some safety issues and how we are valued and rewarded for working with mgmt . Don't lets get started on that.
Our belief in management is underscored by the examples of management above, Im sure there are plenty more but these will do to illustrate our belief in management .Honestly its hard to believe.What is also incredulous is that mgmt needs a survey to find out why the staff are disengaged. Whats even more incredulous is the statement asking us to have faith in management. If it wasn't so serious that a very senior manager appears so far out of touch with his staff it would make a great skit for the review.It would bring the house down in uproarious gales of laughter. Unfortunately it is serious, and it is very distressing.
BA Lerty we have great belief in management. Our belief comes from how they have acted in past and recent times.
We believe in the kangaroo that represents all of the employees who have made this a great business which all Australians can be proud.The mgmt who are currently at the helm have enjoyed a business success given to them. Yes we now exist in a hard aviation environment but it speaks loud when mgmt continue to give themselves bonuses while nailing its hard working employees during difficult times.
I think we all believe that nothing will change and that we dont matter.
Why should we resign because we still believe in what we do and despite mgmt that come and go we are loyal to the Company many of us have helped build into the icon that it is famous for, great Australian service from pilots, engineers and cabin crew.
QCC2 do you think we wake up each day waiting to make negative criticisms about a company and a job we have loved for many years. We make the effort to contribute on here because we hope someone from somewhere who has some power and influence might see the difference between negativity and hope. Hope that there is a fundamental philosophical change with mgmt that staff are to be respected, valued, appreciated and maybe even rewarded.Is job security such a bad reward for hard working, loyal ,fantastic and professional staff?
They might also realise it is this staff that have largely contributed to the success our Company has and is (only just) famous for. Lets hope this value is realised and supported before our Company becomes likened with other former great institutions which have unfortunately met their demise. We live in hope.
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I don't believe safety is jepordised on a flight at the moment (it may be when the engineering changes have taken full effect). The only reason for this is that staff don't want it to be unsafe. I know in my job, while I detest QF management and everything they say and do, I still do my job to uphold safety standards. If this involves a delay well so be it.
From the f/a's perspective I can see where pax safety may be compromised especially in a medical situation with a fatigued f/a.
From the f/a's perspective I can see where pax safety may be compromised especially in a medical situation with a fatigued f/a.
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Rammel
what if due to fatigue a f/a does not first check for fire before opening their door in an emergency evacuation? What consequences or detrimental effects to the decision making process will be caused by a seriously fatigued f/a? How would a fatigued f/a cope in a high pressure situation involving an aggressive passenger?
Safety involving flight attendants is medical emergencies, it is also unfortunately much more than that.
what if due to fatigue a f/a does not first check for fire before opening their door in an emergency evacuation? What consequences or detrimental effects to the decision making process will be caused by a seriously fatigued f/a? How would a fatigued f/a cope in a high pressure situation involving an aggressive passenger?
Safety involving flight attendants is medical emergencies, it is also unfortunately much more than that.
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Originally Posted by qcc2
keep up the entertainment
however on a more sad note our domestic collegues have accepted the IBIS dump in brisbane as new crew hotel. the standards are slipping fast
however on a more sad note our domestic collegues have accepted the IBIS dump in brisbane as new crew hotel. the standards are slipping fast
The FAAA doesn't seem interested in black-banning these hotels at this stage - to the dismay of most members. However, the FAAA is at least trying to get all issues (security, OHS, rest related) dealt with. Perhaps when it is shown some of these properties simply cannot be brought up to scratch things will change.
I am confused as to why the FAAA approved the properties given that they DO NOT adhere to the standard required. For sure "Nev and Von's Motor Inn" at Canberra is trying really hard to come to standard and Travelodge in Perth is being renovated but all this should have been sorted BEFORE changing hotels.
Another question. How can one approve a hotel WITHOUT staying the night and without seeing all room options / layouts? The checks for these properties seem to have been done in total haste and in trying to appease Qantas - NOT paying members.
This move has cost the FAAA in popularity stakes. However it would seem that they are trying to get things sorted. It is just a shame that the situation was allowed to develop in the first place.
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Qantas Management.
QF Management have always been a pack of b*****ds. In the 34 years I spent with the airline, I can think of only two or three that I would give the time of day to.What sort of organization has to use an outside agency to recruit some of its most important personnel? What does it say of the calibre of its management?
Qantas has always had the knack of choosing the worst possible people to manage its affairs, and dont ever think that promotion is based on merit. It has only had one decent CEO and only one half-decent Chairman. The current crop are hopeless and overpaid to boot for what they have achieved in recent years.
In terms of destinations QF does not fly anywhere in Europe except FRA and LHR. Nowhere in South/Latin America or Middle East, one city in Africa, nowhere in the South Pacific except New Zealand, one city in India, four in South east Asia, four in North America(five if you include Honolulu), three or four in North Asia. And with few exceptions not on a daily basis. Where does it compete?
In-Flight service with regard to the food is a disgrace compared to Thai and Singapore Airlines, and I refer to all classes. Domestically, service does not exist. On a recent flight from Sydney to North Queensland, after a long haul from New York, I asked for a scotch and soda, it was 8am, the CSM approached me and asked me if I knew what time of day it was. I did not get the drink. That is only one example. Business class. QF management has made the travel experience a nightmare, from check-in, uncompetitive baggage allowances, inflight service and comfort, arrivals and baggage services, all of these things have been downgraded in importance to the paying passenger.
In the main, the whole airline is in decline and it is due to inept and incompetent managers. Service is the key and the current management "team" can't deliver.
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Originally Posted by Tropicalchief
it was 8am, the CSM approached me and asked me if I knew what time of day it was.
What is SH becoming? Too many people are bored with their jobs and threatened with the casualisation of our airline. End result is everyone seems disengaged and on a power trip for some reason (lethal combo!).
Myself and 4 PER SH colleagues attended a briefing in SYD yesterday and one older woman (casual!) got up and moved to the other side of the table when she found out we were from PER. The CSM announced they were working with their "Perth Cousins" (and sighed) and the whole thing was a disgrace. After 6 years flying I have never felt so uncomfortable working in the cabin. This CSM spent the whole briefing (and flight) whinging about the PER Travelodge and stressing that the next morning they were on the A330-300 and she didn't know the work positions and how to work the IFE. Totally unprofessional. She should know - simple.
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There goes the Trifecta!!!
I was really hoping that 2007 would be the year that I would realise my ULTIMATE trifecta, ie:
1. The Howard Govt to be booted into oblivion.
2.South Sydney win the NRL premiership.
3.Darth would go back to his Wagga pub to do what he does best.... pull beers !!!!
But whoa is me...........news has just come in that #3 is unwinnable!!!!
I suppose 2 out of 3 won't be bad.
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QANTAS EXTENDS CONTRACTS FOR CEO AND CFO
> SYDNEY, 8 August 2006: The Chairman of Qantas, Margaret Jackson, announced today that Geoff Dixon would continue as Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of Qantas on an ongoing contract, replacing his current employment contract which was to expire on 1 July 2007.
>
> Ms Jackson also announced Chief Financial Officer (CFO), Peter Gregg, whose current contract concludes later this year, has also agreed to remain in
> his role on an ongoing contract.
>
> Ms Jackson said that continuity of leadership was particularly important in
> the current aviation environment, where the challenges confronting the
> industry have never been greater.
>
> "Geoff is an outstanding Chief Executive. His leadership and experience
> have been invaluable since he took on the role in March 2001, with Qantas
> outperforming most of its peers in the global airline industry."
>
> "Peter has been Chief Financial Officer at Qantas since September 2000, and we are very pleased that he will continue in this role," she said.
>
> "With the airline continuing to face tough operating conditions, with
> historically high fuel prices and increasing international competition, the
> Board is delighted that Geoff and Peter have agreed to continue in their
> current roles on an ongoing basis."
>
> Qantas Group Broadcast Message
1. The Howard Govt to be booted into oblivion.
2.South Sydney win the NRL premiership.
3.Darth would go back to his Wagga pub to do what he does best.... pull beers !!!!
But whoa is me...........news has just come in that #3 is unwinnable!!!!
I suppose 2 out of 3 won't be bad.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
QANTAS EXTENDS CONTRACTS FOR CEO AND CFO
> SYDNEY, 8 August 2006: The Chairman of Qantas, Margaret Jackson, announced today that Geoff Dixon would continue as Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of Qantas on an ongoing contract, replacing his current employment contract which was to expire on 1 July 2007.
>
> Ms Jackson also announced Chief Financial Officer (CFO), Peter Gregg, whose current contract concludes later this year, has also agreed to remain in
> his role on an ongoing contract.
>
> Ms Jackson said that continuity of leadership was particularly important in
> the current aviation environment, where the challenges confronting the
> industry have never been greater.
>
> "Geoff is an outstanding Chief Executive. His leadership and experience
> have been invaluable since he took on the role in March 2001, with Qantas
> outperforming most of its peers in the global airline industry."
>
> "Peter has been Chief Financial Officer at Qantas since September 2000, and we are very pleased that he will continue in this role," she said.
>
> "With the airline continuing to face tough operating conditions, with
> historically high fuel prices and increasing international competition, the
> Board is delighted that Geoff and Peter have agreed to continue in their
> current roles on an ongoing basis."
>
> Qantas Group Broadcast Message
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Whoa Mama
Il Duce will not be happy.
On another thread someone aptly named Dixon ,Il Duce and Joyce as the midget bullies with the appropriate syndrome.
How bloody apt...I`m still peeing myself laughing
On another thread someone aptly named Dixon ,Il Duce and Joyce as the midget bullies with the appropriate syndrome.
How bloody apt...I`m still peeing myself laughing
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The great Qantas Bar-B-Q !!!!
Yesterday I had to pick up a mate at QCC whose flight was delayed ( situation normal ). Getting bored with watching the Visitors scampering around "going to meetings", I decided to take the Product Centres advice and go to a FREE Bar-B for " Qantas Well -Being Week".
It turned out to be a total farce !!!!!
It was due to commence at 1130. At this point there were approx 50 staff from E & M , Freight, Airports waiting outside the "bunker"-QCA.
Finally at 1215 .............they were ready. By this time there were about 200 people lined up-......all cold and p---sed orf with the total "bunfight" they were witnessing.
At this point I jumped off the cue and just sat and laughed. I calculated the time, loss of wages and "piss off "factor ( immeasurable) would of blown Darths Sustainable Futures target to smitherines.
Fair enough.............doing something for the loyal worker bees and drones has merit. But to do it in a half hearted , disorganised, chaotic way just solidifies the contempt for the Wombats ( EXCO ) who reside in QCA.
( Am sure the planning for the Socceroos charters had just a tad more planning and money thrown at it then this abomintaion)
One poor coot who I walked back with, chucked his Organic Sausage Sanger into the bin-....the bloody thing wasn't even cooked properly ( this after waiting for 35 mins!!!! )
Again, this just illustrates what we have all being banging on about on this thread . People at Qantas who were once loyal and ENGAGED are now subjected to total mismanagement or to put in in Aussie Lingo:
NO BASTARD GIVES A STUFF ANYMORE!.
Wake up Margaret Jackson............you had a golden opportunity to move beyond Darth. You too have been spellbound by his "doom and gloom" predictions of the World according to Chicken Little.
The vultures are circling the carcass.
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It turned out to be a total farce !!!!!
It was due to commence at 1130. At this point there were approx 50 staff from E & M , Freight, Airports waiting outside the "bunker"-QCA.
Finally at 1215 .............they were ready. By this time there were about 200 people lined up-......all cold and p---sed orf with the total "bunfight" they were witnessing.
At this point I jumped off the cue and just sat and laughed. I calculated the time, loss of wages and "piss off "factor ( immeasurable) would of blown Darths Sustainable Futures target to smitherines.
Fair enough.............doing something for the loyal worker bees and drones has merit. But to do it in a half hearted , disorganised, chaotic way just solidifies the contempt for the Wombats ( EXCO ) who reside in QCA.
( Am sure the planning for the Socceroos charters had just a tad more planning and money thrown at it then this abomintaion)
One poor coot who I walked back with, chucked his Organic Sausage Sanger into the bin-....the bloody thing wasn't even cooked properly ( this after waiting for 35 mins!!!! )
Again, this just illustrates what we have all being banging on about on this thread . People at Qantas who were once loyal and ENGAGED are now subjected to total mismanagement or to put in in Aussie Lingo:
NO BASTARD GIVES A STUFF ANYMORE!.
Wake up Margaret Jackson............you had a golden opportunity to move beyond Darth. You too have been spellbound by his "doom and gloom" predictions of the World according to Chicken Little.
The vultures are circling the carcass.
www
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I'm not sure how long we have been slipping back in New York or when we are supposed to be slipping back in New York but could it be that because of the new heightened security with the latest threat level the TOD would be excessive?
I bet that if we are back in New York we won't be staying in the Millenium for long,it will be some other location such as Long Island Ibis...
On another note,apparently L/H crew are now staying at the IBIS in brisvegas instead of the Novotel.......another great move in conditions ....
Perhaps someone here from the faaa.....sorry someone here that knows someone or has a distant relative or ex in the faaa can tell us the faaa's position on this hotel being approved by both the company and the union elected to look after our interests and rest during slips..
The silence from the 3 stooges is as usual deafening but then again if the rumour is true that one of the girls is taking VR then that tells us something
I bet that if we are back in New York we won't be staying in the Millenium for long,it will be some other location such as Long Island Ibis...
On another note,apparently L/H crew are now staying at the IBIS in brisvegas instead of the Novotel.......another great move in conditions ....
Perhaps someone here from the faaa.....sorry someone here that knows someone or has a distant relative or ex in the faaa can tell us the faaa's position on this hotel being approved by both the company and the union elected to look after our interests and rest during slips..
The silence from the 3 stooges is as usual deafening but then again if the rumour is true that one of the girls is taking VR then that tells us something
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Originally Posted by lowerlobe
I bet that if we are back in New York we won't be staying in the Millenium for long,it will be some other location such as Long Island Ibis...