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and what crew is on the 777?
will it still be 4 class config?
will the 777's be run in the same way they are at lhr?
will we still get an extra crew member on business class kitted 737's?
what will the ratio of lh:sh be roughly?
think that's all
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will it still be 4 class config?
will the 777's be run in the same way they are at lhr?
will we still get an extra crew member on business class kitted 737's?
what will the ratio of lh:sh be roughly?
think that's all
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First month of opperation there will be trials of lower crew levels.
3 class 777 - 1 Cabin manager/1 Purser/8 main crew
4 class 777 - 1 Cabin manager/1 Purser/9 main crew
If trials are successful then these will be made permanent.
If not, will go back to the current crewing levels.
The service will be the same as at LHR
737 3 crew trials continue. No changes have been made as yet as they have not been successful. There are no plans to remove Club Europe from LGW as of yet as there is still a demand for it from our passengers.
It's not clear what the mix of long and short haul will be. The figure 60% longhaul/40% short has been banded about before but of course this all depends on things like bidding which of course works on seniority.
If you are starting in May/June/July, you will be a way down the list when it coes to your conversion course as this will also been done on seniority.
If you start in Aug/Sep/Oct onwards you will be 777 trained from the start. this is for issues of recency (you must fly on A/C you are trained on once every 3 months).
However the earlier you start, the more senior you will be.
Don't forget you seniority within your training course is down to your performance on the course. So being the top of the course as opposed to the bottom could be 20 spaces difference. Doesn't sound a lot I know but when it comes to transfer, getting part-time, getting that nice trip, or getting that conversion course, one or two spaces can be ALL the difference!
3 class 777 - 1 Cabin manager/1 Purser/8 main crew
4 class 777 - 1 Cabin manager/1 Purser/9 main crew
If trials are successful then these will be made permanent.
If not, will go back to the current crewing levels.
The service will be the same as at LHR
737 3 crew trials continue. No changes have been made as yet as they have not been successful. There are no plans to remove Club Europe from LGW as of yet as there is still a demand for it from our passengers.
It's not clear what the mix of long and short haul will be. The figure 60% longhaul/40% short has been banded about before but of course this all depends on things like bidding which of course works on seniority.
If you are starting in May/June/July, you will be a way down the list when it coes to your conversion course as this will also been done on seniority.
If you start in Aug/Sep/Oct onwards you will be 777 trained from the start. this is for issues of recency (you must fly on A/C you are trained on once every 3 months).
However the earlier you start, the more senior you will be.
Don't forget you seniority within your training course is down to your performance on the course. So being the top of the course as opposed to the bottom could be 20 spaces difference. Doesn't sound a lot I know but when it comes to transfer, getting part-time, getting that nice trip, or getting that conversion course, one or two spaces can be ALL the difference!
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i have strugelled (tried a few times and still can't spell it right) to find a list of what a/c have how many seats.
how many seats are there on the 777 (are they -200 or -300 series?)
and what about the 737? how many of the 737's have club?
and finally is is just -500 series from lgw or will we be on -300 and -400 series aswell?
thanx
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how many seats are there on the 777 (are they -200 or -300 series?)
and what about the 737? how many of the 737's have club?
and finally is is just -500 series from lgw or will we be on -300 and -400 series aswell?
thanx
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I don't know how a many seats on our LGW 777's, or the configs.
We have 737 300/400/500 at LGW, we also have 1 A319 witha second joining us for the summer schedule.
And before you ask, conversion on to the Airbus is done on seniority and is very popular as they have some lovely trips.
We have 737 300/400/500 at LGW, we also have 1 A319 witha second joining us for the summer schedule.
And before you ask, conversion on to the Airbus is done on seniority and is very popular as they have some lovely trips.
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All 777training starts in jun/jul and someone told me that all new entrant crew will be trained more or less from the start as this works out cheeper than taking them off line and doing it later on in the year, but as always with our airline its always galley fm. I was also told that BA want only the cm and one other purser but thats not definite yet, hopefully will have cm and a purser in each cabin ,wont hold me breath but we all really need to stick together on this midfleet and dont be pushed into signing our life away , once we have done it theres no going back.
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Pips, if you attend the forums you'll find out what the deal is from both sides.
As for sticking together. I went to the union forum, how many were there? 5 of us! Then I went to the company one....6 people.
So much for people sticking togther, or actually really being intersted in their future.
If your in the union - YOU GET TO VOTE AND HAVE YOUR SAY.
If your not - you don't.
So Pips if your not in the union, join. If you are, get others to join.
Training will start for a small few (trainers) June/July as they will have to train new people on the 777. All others will be trained from Aug onwards because if they are trained before their recency will lapse and they need to go for a refresher again (more cost).
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Read the rest of this thread and it should answer most of your questions
As for sticking together. I went to the union forum, how many were there? 5 of us! Then I went to the company one....6 people.
So much for people sticking togther, or actually really being intersted in their future.
If your in the union - YOU GET TO VOTE AND HAVE YOUR SAY.
If your not - you don't.
So Pips if your not in the union, join. If you are, get others to join.
Training will start for a small few (trainers) June/July as they will have to train new people on the 777. All others will be trained from Aug onwards because if they are trained before their recency will lapse and they need to go for a refresher again (more cost).
Gat07
Read the rest of this thread and it should answer most of your questions
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Originally Posted by WeLieInTheShadows
I don't know how a many seats on our LGW 777's, or the configs.
We have 737 300/400/500 at LGW, we also have 1 A319 witha second joining us for the summer schedule.
And before you ask, conversion on to the Airbus is done on seniority and is very popular as they have some lovely trips.
We have 737 300/400/500 at LGW, we also have 1 A319 witha second joining us for the summer schedule.
And before you ask, conversion on to the Airbus is done on seniority and is very popular as they have some lovely trips.
I did my OOF course yesterday and had the pleasure
of having a discussion with his majesty Director of Flight Operations.A319 not expected to come this summer, they are planning to keep crew's recency for some ad-hoc work (eg. we run out of 737 one particular day and airbus will come down from LHR to help us out.). Once we're all on the 777 they will use spare 777 to cover 737 shortages combining flights together as they have done lately (BCN, MAD, MAN, EDI).
LGW short haul new fleet proposals to develop within 2 years but only if it becomes profitable again.
Nobody could answer the question why EF LGW isn't profitable.
BTW, ALL our 737 can be configured for club europe + euro traveller or single euro traveller cabins.
NEW CREW: those who join between now and may/june will be trained on 737 only. they will get trained on the 777 afterwards. We need them so that the more experienced/senior people can start getting trained on the 777 from the beginning of july without compromising the shorthaul operation.
As for the new agreement: There's something we're signing for that I totally disagree with. Days off after being called out on stand by for a LH trip.
Table page 25 Example 2b : the company will allocate 2 days off after returning from the trip IF OPERATIONALLY FEASIBLE otherwise they'll just give one day off and we're required to be on duty the following day while not being acclimatised because we haven't achieved a 3rd consecutive night of rest.
I think this is outrageous as the company will always find a reason for it not to be operationally feasible. We cannot sign for the company to do what they want. I've had a discussion with one of our union reps who said "well, at the end of the day the one we had before was much worse". Unecceptable answer from a union rep who should act in my, his own and our interest, not the company's!!!!
Sorry for this, I really needed to vent it out.
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Originally Posted by flybywire
A319 not expected to come this summer, they are planning to keep crew's recency for some ad-hoc work FBW:
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FBW The same person you talked too told me there were 2 A319's coming for the summer. So I guess him and whoever did the crew forum need to put their heads together and decide.
As to the clause you refer to in the new contract, if it was used regularly as the norm then it would not be "in the spirit" of how it was agreed.
Then I would hope the union would address this issue.
As to the clause you refer to in the new contract, if it was used regularly as the norm then it would not be "in the spirit" of how it was agreed.
Then I would hope the union would address this issue.
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Hey Miss FBW!
Hope you are ok honey. From what I understand of the new MOA they are required to give us 2 days rest after a LH trip called from standby if you still have stby days left when you arrive back. However, they can give us one day and owe us a day in lieu.
Hope you are ok honey. From what I understand of the new MOA they are required to give us 2 days rest after a LH trip called from standby if you still have stby days left when you arrive back. However, they can give us one day and owe us a day in lieu.
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Also acclimatised means 3 local nights away from base in a time zome more than 2 hours wide.
Basically you have to do more than a 3 days trip (4 days or more) LH going to east coast US or Carrib to be acclimatised.
If you don't (which a lot of the LGW trips are just 3 days) then you come back to the UK acclimatised still.
If you come back unacclimatised and have to operate then your hours of operation are restricted (you can't operate without 18 hours rest and limits are 1 hour less than scheme restrictions or more).
As tofster said as well. If you do end up not having your second day off you do get it in Lieu and you may take it later in the month at a mutuallty agreeable time and it will not be included to your monthly total of 9 days off.
Basically you have to do more than a 3 days trip (4 days or more) LH going to east coast US or Carrib to be acclimatised.
If you don't (which a lot of the LGW trips are just 3 days) then you come back to the UK acclimatised still.
If you come back unacclimatised and have to operate then your hours of operation are restricted (you can't operate without 18 hours rest and limits are 1 hour less than scheme restrictions or more).
As tofster said as well. If you do end up not having your second day off you do get it in Lieu and you may take it later in the month at a mutuallty agreeable time and it will not be included to your monthly total of 9 days off.
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Originally Posted by WeLieInTheShadows
Also acclimatised means 3 local nights away from base in a time zome more than 2 hours wide.
Basically you have to do more than a 3 days trip (4 days or more) LH going to east coast US or Carrib to be acclimatised.
If you don't (which a lot of the LGW trips are just 3 days) then you come back to the UK acclimatised still.
If you come back unacclimatised and have to operate then your hours of operation are restricted (you can't operate without 18 hours rest and limits are 1 hour less than scheme restrictions or more).
As tofster said as well. If you do end up not having your second day off you do get it in Lieu and you may take it later in the month at a mutuallty agreeable time and it will not be included to your monthly total of 9 days off.
Basically you have to do more than a 3 days trip (4 days or more) LH going to east coast US or Carrib to be acclimatised.
If you don't (which a lot of the LGW trips are just 3 days) then you come back to the UK acclimatised still.
If you come back unacclimatised and have to operate then your hours of operation are restricted (you can't operate without 18 hours rest and limits are 1 hour less than scheme restrictions or more).
As tofster said as well. If you do end up not having your second day off you do get it in Lieu and you may take it later in the month at a mutuallty agreeable time and it will not be included to your monthly total of 9 days off.
As per CAP371 You just need ONE night away from LGW in a zone wider than + or - 2 hours and when you get back at base you're NOT acclimatised anymore.
So basically you can keep flying without any problems but the limitations are more as you'd be using the "not acclimatised" table in the FCO or scheduling agreement.
When you travel to a zone which is further than 2 hours (including if you had an unscheduled night sytop in Moscow for example) the FDP allowed is less than if you had had 3 local nights there. Same applies if you only have 2 local nights at LGW after a long haul trip (EVEN JUST A BULLET).
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Hi Guys..
Got through LGW interview last Friday (17/03) but no start date yet.
Been told of this that might may/June start.
What’s the chances being on 777 if I do start then. Not good from what iv read. Boo
If I don’t get on at the start how long u's thinking it might take.
Thanks
Got through LGW interview last Friday (17/03) but no start date yet.
Been told of this that might may/June start.
What’s the chances being on 777 if I do start then. Not good from what iv read. Boo
If I don’t get on at the start how long u's thinking it might take.
Thanks
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You wont be on the 777 if you start then. you will probably be one of the last to get your conversion to the 777 if all we have been told is true. So expect it Dec or Jan time. Its not all bad though, when I first started I was told we would be doing the longhaul thing by last November so at least its definatly gonna happen!!!
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Sorry.
Your totally right. I read it totally wrong.
You are indeed correct about the acclimatised issue.
I read it over and over and STILL got it wrong!
DOH!
Back to the classroom for me!
Your totally right. I read it totally wrong.
You are indeed correct about the acclimatised issue.
I read it over and over and STILL got it wrong!
DOH!
Back to the classroom for me!
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Originally Posted by WeLieInTheShadows
Sorry.
Your totally right. I read it totally wrong.
You are indeed correct about the acclimatised issue.
I read it over and over and STILL got it wrong!
DOH!
Back to the classroom for me!
Your totally right. I read it totally wrong.
You are indeed correct about the acclimatised issue.
I read it over and over and STILL got it wrong!
DOH!
Back to the classroom for me!
no need to go back to classroom, come to my house, we're having scheme pursuit tournaments these days 
Now I have to look after a sick pilot so I have to go (as you probably know they're the worst of patients, all they have is a silly cold and the world stops!!!!)
Nighty night
FBW
