QANTAS discussions (All Bases) - Merged

[Left2assist]

The big picture........

The folowing is a link to a very interesting thread on the D&G forum.

It confirms the bleeding obvious and under howards new laws, the perfectly legal......

Perhaps a change of government at the next federal election may throw a spanner into DickSons grand plan.

http://pprune.com/forums/showthread....hreadid=202269

[qcc2]

sounds good in theory

seasonal greetings to all (including the moderators for putting up with occassional rough play here on this thread).
the jury is still out on jetscar international. there are a number of issues which punters have to adopt to. getting on a plane paying for everything. want a bottle of water $6.- beer $5.- slice of pizza (defrozed/cooked) $18.--. chix sambo $8.00 and $5.-- for a headset. that should keep crews busy the whole sector(poor bastards). what about brekky? A330-200, 270 pax , 220 want some sort of brekky-good luck i think everyone can see the mess this creates. are they going to let punters bring on their own extra large pizza/lasagne (please crew heat this one for me,wink,wink). or maybe they are going to put on a number of dispensing machines- get your own. i think i want to join as crew as there seems to be a lot of cash floating around then. the money changers gonna have a field day in asia. are they going to charge for toilet paper?

[lowerlobe]

QCC2,
It could get worse still, imagine when (and it will happen) that the board wants to lower the cost base even further in a few years time to maintain their yearly bonus.

Crew will have to pay for their job interview and if successful their training .Then there is the cost of the uniform and crew meals and god forbid having to share rooms or accept one star accommodation.

Of course there will be a commission for selling food ,headsets ,blankets and pillows as well as drinks.I suppose someone in the office is already thinking of selling advertising space on the overhead locker bins and the walls in the toilets not to forget the crews uniforms.

After you buy your meal ,then there will be an extra charge for salt ,pepper and a bread roll

You would think that this relentless drive to make money will stop one day but there will always be someone who will come up with another idea to make or save money to get their bonus.

Your probably right about the toilet paper too,you will be given so many squares when you check in and if you need more then you have to buy it...

[wa.man]

JQ International

A question for all those in the know!!

There are many low cost domestic carriers around the world but are there any long haul ??
None that I am aware of.
So what do you pay for pillows blankets etc??
Maybe a charge to use the toilet also may be a good idea!!
Its all not such a plesant thought.

[qcc2]

and there is more

a set of steak knives if you purchase 2 or more meals (on a voucher system for multiple flights. and lets not forget teh advertising space on the caps cabin and tech are going to wear. next to GD maximising profits adds...........................

[ian_harrington]

Hello all,

I am new to this so I am unsure if anyone has asked this question before, however does anyone know about the Qantas UK base at LHR?

Is anyone aware of roughly what the salary is? Perm. contracts etc etc?? If anone out there has any information that may help me, please feel free to drop me a line.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Safe travels,
Ian

[QFinsider]

guys and gals..we are missing the point as alluded to by left2assist.

The product or lack of it isn't the worry. It doesn't matter the cost of a sandwich a headset etc.

Howard's IR reform will allow forced transfers. From a perspective of a conservative person, that is the most radical in the history of this country!

From a techie's perspective we have pondered the "new order"...30 airframes to J* and interestingly the first 10 to J* confirms my fear that not only will the thing rival mainline it will swallow it, ably supported by the lil gimp in the lodge. If mainline get 30 of these things then that replaces the 767...

What about the aging 744 fleet?
What about the 737 fleet?

So we get 12 of the A380...big deal still hasn't hit many development benchmarks yet...

So what is mainline then? We are an aging fleet of what that asswi*e Dixon calls a legacy airline....scary stuff

Seems a few short for mainline to "grow"

and as always the devil is in the detail- that implies forced transfer....no more certified agreements......


Furthermore think of the psychology of J* getting the new aircraft after the crap we had to endure with the A380 prototype in australia probably have JT here telling us "its a human company"

[sydney s/h]

CLEANING!!

I was in MEL the other day and the cleaners all pile on - they are all upset and angry that they just received a letter stating as of Jan 16th 2006, F/A's will be required to "assist" the cleaners during a turn around. What the?!

If the F/A's dont help them then they are to take our names and report us. This is bull****!

Two reason's.... 1. It means our fellow workers (the cleaners) will get the arse as they cut back on staff - and that sucks for them.

2. I dont wanna clean an aircraft. I'm not too precious - i just want that time on the ground, all 40mins, to have a bite to eat and a breather.

And dont think that its going to stop in Shorthaul.....

[Mr Seatback 2]

Regional crew have cleaned the aircraft for years...it was inevitable that it would spread to Short Haul (and elsewhere) in the long term.

[lowerlobe]

Aircraft cleaning MMMmmmm

Probably another great idea from one of the fear of flying mob that hang around cabin crew buildings trying to ingratiate themselves to management in the hope of going up the ladder if you know what I mean.

This is just idea number 1,958,245 and it won’t be the last one from some genius .Instead of getting upset ,just work to the book and not a millimeter more. If someone says why are you not helping the cleaners give them an excuse.

As the csm give the crew jobs to do which prevents them from helping the cleaners or at least delays them.Don’t say no and give some paper pusher in the office any ammunition but fob them off so you or your crew don’t get into trouble.

When scheduling rings and asks for a favour give them the new standard answer…NO

Turn up for sign on right on time..

In other words co-operation has just ceased to exist

[H_Girl]

As directed by the company, "you can help clean", however, how long it takes you is an entirely different matter. Once it starts causing delays i think they may change their minds.

[sydney s/h]

Thanks for the ideas lowerlobe.

Yes, dont worry, when we pull up somewhere for the 40mins i'll get my crew to do very exhaustive "safety checks", have them count the catering 4 times, head up for boarding 30mins before departure (go and grab a coffee!) etc etc.... As for myself, i'll be far too busy liasing with the techies, ringing POCO, blah blah.

What a load of crap!

And as far as the EBA is concerned, i'm not sure what the last eba says...but i bet i know what the new one will bloody say!

[lowerlobe]

Talking about the new policy of antagonism with it’s employees has anyone heard of what is happening with the sale of crew rest seats….Guardian or any other faaa reps any news?

Actually to be fair the company has always been antagonistic so this is not something new.

[lowerlobe]

Does the IRC exist anymore or is it extinct after the 1st of January with the new IR laws?

If it does exist then surely we can ask the company to explain why there are so many issues outstanding when we have a supposed EBA in effect .

I don’t know about other people here but it is starting to annoy me that with an EBA that still has considerable time to run the company chooses to have these continual fights .It is like the Middle East ,where peace is a great idea but never quite seems to happen ,

[Guardian1]

lowerlobe

The AIRC is hearing the crew rest issue on thursday morning at 10.30.

80 WILLIAM ST, SYDNEY.

ANYONE CAN ATTEND.


Also regarding the AIRC, it continues to exist after January1, but with the passage of the new industrial laws it will have its powers severely curtailed.

[lowerlobe]

Thanks guardian for the info,

For those of us who do not live in Sydney could you post the result here thanks

[Guardian1]

lowerlobe

Just for you.... i'll try to remember to do that

The result will of course be put on the faaa website ( www.faaa.net )
and sent by email and printed as a newsletter in hard copy as soon as the decision is handed down, in all probability sometime later in January.

[Eden99]

FAAA NEWSLETTER

21 December 2005

Attention all Qantas Long Haul Flight Attendants

JFK BALLOT - 71% SAY YES

I wish to advise members that an overwhelming 71% of members have voted to accept the FAAA recommendation to continue the dispensation allowing the LAX-JFK-LAX shuttle.

The FAAA received 1594 votes or approximately 50% of those eligible to vote. The breakdown of votes is as follows:

YES 1132 VOTES

NO 458 VOTES

INFORMAL 4 VOTES

It is deeply satisfying that the bulk of our members have understood and accepted the FAAA recommendation to vote YES. This vote was not so much about whether a multi sector duty hour limitation should be exceeded by an average 59 minutes, rather, it was about whether Long Haul crew were prepared to see the realities around them and if so, were prepared to act rationally and pragmatically.

In light of conventional wisdom and the views of some, that crew would reject the dispensation, it is a testament to crew that a big majority of our members have understood the arguments put to them by the FAAA as to why a YES vote was so important.

To those that had a genuine contrary view to that of the FAAA and the bulk of their colleagues, I say please do not feel disappointed. This was about the membership deciding the issue and the membership has decided the issue in a decisive manner.

I believe in hindsight that many who voted NO will shortly come to the view that a continuation of the JFK dispensation was the correct decision.

Now that the ballot has been decided, it is appropriate to make a strong point. The YES decision does not mean that the FAAA or its members will automatically give Qantas new and never ending concessions.

What it does mean is that the current FAAA leadership will look at each issue on its merits. If a Qantas request has merit and if agreement to the request further strengthens our members’ job security, then naturally we will give such a request favourable consideration.

We are in a new era with the passage of the Howard Governments industrial laws. The FAAA will endeavour to the best of its abilities to maintain an appropriate balance between maintaining our conditions, which by far are the best in the country and at the same time ensuring a high level of job security.

Once again, I thank the entire membership for its continuing strong support. This is the first time a FAAA ballot has been approved by the membership. I wish all of you a peaceful and happy Christmas.

Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division.

[Bad Adventures]

How sweet it is!!

[lowerlobe]

Fair enough,the majority have voted to continue the dispensation and show the company that the membership are willing to work with the company.

Let’s hope that the company acts in a similar way ....time will tell