Fly Who !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DELTABOY]

With a name like 'FlyWho' they don't deserve to do well. sounds mickey mouse from the start!!
Why do people even bother with these narcissistic start ups?

[xflyer]

After reading all the posts on here , i think the best thing would be to ask them directly. There head office is about a mile from where I live . How about I go and see them and ask the question?

[VIKING9]

IMHO I would think that 18 year old guy at Oxford has more luck getting airborne than Flywho. Yes, different business models, but lets face it, Flywho, Flyblu, Flywhen was another NOW that was destined to NEVER get off the ground. Has the Flywho website been updated I wonder.... I can't seem to get on it

[bradfordboy]

Its on their web site now http://www.flywho.com/default.asp

Unable to proceed blah blah blah

Cheers

[warkman]

A message form the owner of fly who has appeared on the Dis discussion forum here
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=708815&page=4

[Thunderball 2]

To save you clicking the link;

Flywho update

The Board of BluArrow Aviation Ltd has reluctantly come to the decision that we are no longer able to proceed with our June 2005 start date.

Our ATOL-licensed partner had originally agreed to a programme of charter flights to Florida and would be responsible for the sale of all the seats. All reservations would have been effected with them and protected accordingly. Sadly, they failed to commit to the contract in necessary practical ways within an appropriate timescale, which has resulted in the suspension of this programme until further notice.

We apologise most sincerely if this has affected your plans.

All existing passengers have been re-accommodated on other carriers and we will not be taking any further booking requests until we are 200% sure we have the right ATOL partner to undertake the passenger-protection role.

We have not ‘gone bust’ or ‘ceased trading’!

We have been let-down and are actively seeking a new partner to take on the responsibility of handling the flywho sales for Florida and this has set us back a number of months.

Please be assured that the project is still going ahead and we are determined, now more than ever, to be fully operational in the future.

Aden Murcutt
C. E. O.

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Okay, but "airlines" were never meant to have "ATOL partners". To be "umbrella'd" by an ATOL-holder is a highly unsatisfactory arrangement which was never anticipated when the ATOL regulations were drafted. Flyblu clearly cannot satisfy financial fitness in its own right.

Let's hope that they either raise serious finance or admit defeat. I wish them luck, but this is not clever.

[330-Purser]

So what's happening with all the jobs everyone was promised and people were so excited about? Is anyone waiting around for them or have you decided to call it a day and try another airline?

It must be really horrible for you (been there years ago with another similar episode in my flying history!), and I don't mean that in a patronising way! Just a little note of support to any of you guys who had been promised jobs with Flywho and probably aren't going now.

Best of luck to you all.

330-Purser

[wan2fly]

Ello

Hi

Flywho have been in contact with us all before all the above annoucemements were made so we didnt have to learn second / third hand as it were....

All I can say really is wait and see :-)

Thanks for your support - I am already flying at mo so safe with a job.

[come on]

Hi everyone

Well done to all of you that been successful with your applications to fly who.

I work in the airline/travel industry, I have been cabin crew for big airways for many years. I've been following their progress since the start and think the concept is a very good one and I very much wish them and you all every success in the future.


However, and I don't want to be a killjoy here, I'm not sure if the venture will work. The reason I say this is a very basic one. We all know Florida is a very popular holiday destination for us Brits and flights are always very busy. But, the travelling British public love a bargain and to get something cheap (and then moan about it for being cheap and nasty afterwards) so I'm not sure if they will pay a premium (in sufficient numbers throughout the year to make it viable) for a flight which granted will be very nice but be more than they are used to paying or be willing to pay. A premium product is great to have but I worry that the numbers of poeple willing to pay for it will be very limited, particularly from BHX.

Just a view, I'd be interested to know what others think.

[wan2fly]

come on

Hi

Thank you for your insight into the requirements of Midlands Travellers...

I too have been in travel for many years - and I have to disagree with you. I have been in retail travel a long time as well as Airline and there is a definate demand for a premium product, Not all pax who fly from LHR etc live in LHR area and the midlanders who travel to either LHR LGW OR MAN find it tedious - I know how difficult it can be to get a premium or club seat on some airlines. I do agree though that there is a massive bucket and spade market in the Midlands but remember there is also a massive bucket and spade market in ....for eg... Essex.

So not EVERYONE is after a cheapie some Brits have some money to spare and if I dare say taste lol lol

Also, if I can refer you to the FlyWho website the Florida flights are not operating for the forseeable future, As in my previous post just lets wait and see what is gonna happrn in due course.

Thanks for your insight once again

[come on]

Hi want2fly

Thanks for your comments and I fully agree getting to LHR/LGW is a pain for customers living in the Midlands. Also fully agree there is a market for a premium product, I'm just not sure there are enough people willing to pay for it.

At the end of the day and in the cold light of day, how many customers when faced with the decission will pay? When you're talking over a hundred pound per person difference, will they pay for more leg room which is really what it all boils down to, forget cabin service, not many customers will pay a premium for better cabin service. American (to their credit) took out a few rows of seats on their trans atlantic 777's to give pax more leg room, with the marketing budget they have they couldn't convince the British or Americans to spend slightly more to fly with them. No, I'm afriad it comes down to hard cash.

The website states the atol holder has let them down and pulled out, very iffy. I would have thought they would have been in negotiation with all tour operators to Florida to get maximum exposure and seat sales, not just one. Apology after apology has been put on the site, always someone letting them down!

With regard to the name, it's doesn't sound that odd to me, Air 2000, Virgin, Easyjet. They all sounded strange at first when you're used to an airline being called XXXXX Airways or XXXX Airlines but now they are all household names. I really do wish them luck and hope it comes off but things are just not adding up.

[VIKING9]

If I may be so blunt with my opinion here, but lets face it, FLYWHO will never get off the ground. Not this year, not next....

[Iconic]

Oh dear Viking,

Yee of littel faith, I think people are missing the bigger part of the picture here, start thinking bigger, certainly more global, those who have been offered positions will be aware of what is planned, but rest assured it will happen, and sooner than you might expect!

[come on]

Iconic...............I wish I had your faith! I sincerley hope I am proved wrong and you can say I told you so!! BUT, no employer is going to divulge the real state of business of their new company to potential employees at an interview/recruitment day. It's called business! What they will do however is paint a very colourful picture about future plans, routes, aircraft, cabin service, uniforms etc etc etc. This of course is exactly what I'd expect as how else will they get their new workforce? I have no dought that those attending recruitment days were very impressed, on paper the airline sounds great, but that's where I think it will stay, on paper. Please don't think that those that have been successful (and well done to them) have now been given "inside" information, fly who simply now have a list of poeple they can contact as and when they begin operations, and I'm talking about cabin crew here. And before somebody says it, I am not belittling those that have been succesful, it's just the way recruitment works, fly who are doing nothing other airlines have not done or currently do.

I fully appreciate and understand that some want to believe this venture will be a success. Mass market travel, which is what Florida is, want budget prices. There is always an execption to the rule which is where fly who belive they come in but I simply don't don't think there will be enough potential customers to make the service viable.

[wan2fly]

Guys !!!!!

Hi

Viking - You have posted a short and to the point post - Its will never happen !!!! - How do you know - Did you say this when Virgin started ?? ( i know its not the same product ) Did you say that when Dyson made his first washing machine or vacuum cleaner ?? - You seem so certain but Do you have an insight into the whats and ehy's of FW ???

Did you go for a job with these guys ? are you on the board or was you on the board ??

Just to say - They wont get off the ground is not ..... well ... not really saying anything is it ? YOU dont know for 100% if they wont make it, like I dont know for 100% that they will.

Do by posting a one liner all negative is hardly giving advice, helping anyone. However I do take your comments on board so thanks for this.

We are not going into this blindfolded my friend, and we know the risks and please please believe me that when I say i was gutted that the Florida did not happen I mean i was gutted !!! and Im sure i speak for the others on here who like me have been fortunate enough to get a position !. We worked hard at the interview to get through and it was hard. So lets just all wait and see what is going to happen - none of us REALLY know but some of us have more info than others. Like I keep on saying FW have been in touch with us and will again be shortly we heard all about the disappointing news re the Florida flights BEFORE anyone else. So I do have faith in the company.

Come ON....
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Thanks again for your post but you have missed my point, Yes the Florida flights are not taking place until further notice but THEY HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH US SINCE !!!.

As the CEO says they have NOT gone bust or ceased trading.

You are deffo correct though that they will not go into the ins and outs with potential employees at the interviews - I agree and who in their right mind would !!! ? Yes they tell you all the "Fluffy" bits re uniforms service etc etc etc......But which airline wouldnt or indeed doesnt

Re customers up grading to a premium product is very very popular ? For EG - BA LON to SIN to SYD the upgrade for WTP is 250.00pp per sector so only another 500.00pp for the whole journey quite a lot i hear you say - yes but remember that there are people who pay it and I can hand on heart say that this is VERY VERY easy to sell. My Local vicar paid this when i booked his holiday :-). Not everyone will pay granted and if this was a family of four then I agree it may not happen, However FW has never been after the Lower end of the market who use charters to florida in a 30 inch pitch or less. They are after the premium end eg - Villa owners , golfers etc etc. Have a look how difficult it is to geta premium seat on say MYT BY FCA or TCX on a long haul holiday its really hard unless a pax books early and the prices for the upgrade is approx 300.00 pp some less some more depends on the travel date. Have a look at VS or BA and try the same .

Have a look on some of the Florida chat websites which FW have appeared on and there are lots of pax on there who would and DID pay altho im sad to say havnt got it.... But lets just see - NONE OF US ON HERE REALLY KNOW !!!!.

Take care guys

[DELTABOY]

FLYWHO!......zzzzzzzzz
Yeah, 'WHO' flies A310's to Florida or the North American region for that matter?? seems a strange choice of equipment & having worked in the travel/airline industry for many years & seen all the comings & goings, it screams of another none starter. Perhaps a different market should be looked at, Asia possibly. Would be nice to see it happen for all the folk involved thou!

[wan2fly]

Delta Boy

Everytime I read your posts i think

zzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZ

You obviously havnt REALLY read any of the above....

[VIKING9]

wan2fly what I posted was my opinion. No I didn't say the same when Virgin started, I didn't have to because it was bound to succeed and it did, as did the man with the hoover idea. In his case, simple engineering techiques made simpler made it a success story.

The name FLYWHO for starters is just laughable IMHO. Yes, that's my opinion again.

I ask the question again. How can the CEO say they haven't ceased trading when they never actually started trading ?

I'm sorry if my opinion is not what you want to hear, but I personally don't think this crowd will get airborne. If they do, well, good luck to them. The next question will be, for how long ?

[wan2fly]

Viking

LOL LOL - I just knew your next question was the " How Long Question" It was quite predictable I guess !!!

I do honestly respect your opinion I really do - But lets see what happens - Yes the FW project has not YET taken off FOR FLORIDA but WHO knows whats in the bag !!!!

Thanks again and NO doubt speak to you again or at least I will respond to your posts.

G nite

[VIKING9]

wan2fly I suppose next you'll be telling us that they won't be flying to Florida but some other far flung destination. India maybe ???