What BA cabin crew think of pilots
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Past poll results don't support your numbers NN.
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Cabin crew, personnally my summers would be filled with older women without them.Kept me in totty for a few years with very little effort. Some might hate us but many are like rabbitts in your headlights. Fire em at thirty thats what i say.
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NN said:
Some entering the airline believe the SCCM is in charge of the aircraft....they are actively taught this at Cranebank
You have got be having a laugh haven't you? The only way you could accurately support such a statement is if you had actually sat through such an initial training session....I did, and can safely say that you are taught nothing but respect for the pilots, and furthermore that the PIC's word is final.
Roobarb - you also say that new entrants are conditioned to steer well clear of pilots. Once again I have to disagree 100% with this. As for their right to join a union, well that is their right. I agree that the two unions that CC have a choice between are far from great....too militant for their own good sometimes (but not all of the time) As for fining a member for not abiding by union rules, I have never heard of that happening either.
Some entering the airline believe the SCCM is in charge of the aircraft....they are actively taught this at Cranebank
You have got be having a laugh haven't you? The only way you could accurately support such a statement is if you had actually sat through such an initial training session....I did, and can safely say that you are taught nothing but respect for the pilots, and furthermore that the PIC's word is final.
Roobarb - you also say that new entrants are conditioned to steer well clear of pilots. Once again I have to disagree 100% with this. As for their right to join a union, well that is their right. I agree that the two unions that CC have a choice between are far from great....too militant for their own good sometimes (but not all of the time) As for fining a member for not abiding by union rules, I have never heard of that happening either.
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I have to agree with NN - the poll results are not BA CC specific - the problem is getting so bad that many captains are now making a point during their introduction PA's of stating the SFO is second in command of the aircraft - and the CSD is only in charge of the cabin.
Again I have to agree with NN - during my initial training at Braincrank we had to have a CRM with brand new cabin crew. The main topic during this day was the flight crew/CC divide - how would these new crew - many of which had never flown before - know there is a divide unless the SEP trainers had told them. SO most of our new CC have preconceived ideas about flight crew which are reinforced by mindless postings on the BASSA forum.
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As usual thanks to NN this thread has once again been diverted to a divisive and stereotyping point scoring excercise.
There is good and bad in every department the secret of success is a genuine understanding of each other s role and why historically some crew feel uneasy in going the extra mile.
As for priorities mine are very clear.
safety
service
cooperation
fun
(and without rest none of the above are possible)
sexual preferences, race, age and postal code have nothing to do with anytrhing being discussed in here.
xxx
There is good and bad in every department the secret of success is a genuine understanding of each other s role and why historically some crew feel uneasy in going the extra mile.
As for priorities mine are very clear.
safety
service
cooperation
fun
(and without rest none of the above are possible)
sexual preferences, race, age and postal code have nothing to do with anytrhing being discussed in here.
xxx
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Excuse me,
BUT, we all (F/D & C/C) are all "small cogs" trying to make sure the "larger machine" works!
Will the bigots & idiots ALL please realise that & get a life!
Good morning all.
O.
BUT, we all (F/D & C/C) are all "small cogs" trying to make sure the "larger machine" works!
Will the bigots & idiots ALL please realise that & get a life!
Good morning all.
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Nice CSD... you might be but does the truth about many of your collegues embarrass you?(the truth about some of mine does on occasions)
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You haven't heard of much have you.
New entrant course FACT and I believe the fine is currently £50 for breaking the industrial agreement. Don't you remember the stink when the cc agreed to operate the SIN a couple of minutes outside the agreement at 2am? BASSA would have rather 350 pax were dumped in an already over crowded and riotous terminal.
I have personally had crew (illegally) using mobile phones from the rear galley calling BASSA to see if they could get out of doing some work (non lucrative trip- surprise surprise).
Its not all-not nearly all, but the Zealots are in control.
NN
Finals
You haven't heard of much have you.
New entrant course FACT and I believe the fine is currently £50 for breaking the industrial agreement. Don't you remember the stink when the cc agreed to operate the SIN a couple of minutes outside the agreement at 2am? BASSA would have rather 350 pax were dumped in an already over crowded and riotous terminal.
I have personally had crew (illegally) using mobile phones from the rear galley calling BASSA to see if they could get out of doing some work (non lucrative trip- surprise surprise).
Its not all-not nearly all, but the Zealots are in control.
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Sadly you are quoting the exception to the rule and sadly you are correct but in the many years of serving this Company I have on many occasions gone the extra mile for no moral or financial remuneration.
The rules are there for a reason and like it or not we have to obey them until a compromise through dialogue and cooperation can be found.
To highligth the minority negative side of your colleagues doesn t help the cause for more understanding and cooperation there are two sides of the coin and unfortunately you chose the negative side of it.
We are (after all ) humans give and take IMHO would serve us all better than the status quo.
The rules are there for a reason and like it or not we have to obey them until a compromise through dialogue and cooperation can be found.
To highligth the minority negative side of your colleagues doesn t help the cause for more understanding and cooperation there are two sides of the coin and unfortunately you chose the negative side of it.
We are (after all ) humans give and take IMHO would serve us all better than the status quo.
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You haven't heard of much have you.
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I am located at Cranebank and find some of this thread complete tosh. As with many of us in many walks of life, it is easy to make statements (anon) on websites that very few people read. I am sure that most of the community spare little time to read it.
However, CC s main enemy are their Perf Mgrs and I know a number of them that have suffered unwanted attention, with items delivered to their homes (i.e.garden shed) and various phone calls around the clock making threats, some not very pleasant. That said I am informed it is just a few sados who have been identified but it is virtually impossible to prove the issues or discipline the CC involved.
However, CC s main enemy are their Perf Mgrs and I know a number of them that have suffered unwanted attention, with items delivered to their homes (i.e.garden shed) and various phone calls around the clock making threats, some not very pleasant. That said I am informed it is just a few sados who have been identified but it is virtually impossible to prove the issues or discipline the CC involved.
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Sadly you are quoting the exception to the rule and sadly you are correct but in the many years of serving this Company I have on many occasions gone the extra mile for no moral or financial remuneration.
The rules are there for a reason and like it or not we have to obey them until a compromise through dialogue and cooperation can be found.
To highligth the minority negative side of your colleagues doesn t help the cause for more understanding and cooperation there are two sides of the coin and unfortunately you chose the negative side of it.
We are (after all ) humans give and take IMHO would serve us all better than the status quo.
Sadly you are quoting the exception to the rule and sadly you are correct but in the many years of serving this Company I have on many occasions gone the extra mile for no moral or financial remuneration.
The rules are there for a reason and like it or not we have to obey them until a compromise through dialogue and cooperation can be found.
To highligth the minority negative side of your colleagues doesn t help the cause for more understanding and cooperation there are two sides of the coin and unfortunately you chose the negative side of it.
We are (after all ) humans give and take IMHO would serve us all better than the status quo.
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I Am sure that the situation at BA is generally sound and that it is one or two CSD with frustrated ambitions and smalll minds. I now realize how lucky we are at Britannia Airways.
The crew and Cabin Managers have to work their tails off in comparison to the BA CC! Though 99.9% of the time look after us in the flight deck and communicate all issues in the cabin promptly and efficiently.
Sure there has been a bust up or two, but on the whole the Britannia Crew are hard working and very professional
The crew and Cabin Managers have to work their tails off in comparison to the BA CC! Though 99.9% of the time look after us in the flight deck and communicate all issues in the cabin promptly and efficiently.
Sure there has been a bust up or two, but on the whole the Britannia Crew are hard working and very professional
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Tight
The first thing I would do to fix it would be to integrate Flight Ops and IFS as per most other airlines of the world.
All flying staff would be under a Chief Pilot who would then delegate areas of responsibility. This step IMHO would be a start in breaking down the silo mentality and over-the-fence-looking that currently exists.
It would help solve disputes and cut down a whole Directorship of managers and in fighting, one-upmanship and discrepencies.
Oh and close down BASSA!!
NN
The first thing I would do to fix it would be to integrate Flight Ops and IFS as per most other airlines of the world.
All flying staff would be under a Chief Pilot who would then delegate areas of responsibility. This step IMHO would be a start in breaking down the silo mentality and over-the-fence-looking that currently exists.
It would help solve disputes and cut down a whole Directorship of managers and in fighting, one-upmanship and discrepencies.
Oh and close down BASSA!!
NN
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Qantas and BA have more in common than they realise, by the sound of it. The two should start up a CC exchange program.
Boilers and flouncing old mincers from both ends of the Kangaroute could compare ideas on how best to undermine the authority of and "diss" the pilots on the one hand and be seen to be providing an enhanced product and high degree of safety whilst avoiding any hint of "work" and securing a pay-rise on the other. Imagine the synergies...
One halfwit says:
but doesn't have any explanation of why she isn't a pilot or something else where she can employ her considerable and well-honed "intellect". This is indicative of the problem that behind_the_second_midland speaks of when she posted, in her boredom and deep personal discontent, this wind-up s**t-stir thread which has had so many bites. Congratulations honey, you are now officially part of the problem.
HAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAAAAAAA..!!!!!! Not that anyone takes it seriously but the irony of the gross stupidity, that it could possibly come from the mouth of a hash-slinger... it just defies belief..... I love it!
Boilers and flouncing old mincers from both ends of the Kangaroute could compare ideas on how best to undermine the authority of and "diss" the pilots on the one hand and be seen to be providing an enhanced product and high degree of safety whilst avoiding any hint of "work" and securing a pay-rise on the other. Imagine the synergies...
One halfwit says:
we on the cabin side of that armoured door are generally better educated
Lets face it-ANYONE can become a pilot. You need NO QUALIFICATIONS.
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Yep...no more Balpa/Bassa/CC89,Csds, Cc managers, old girls, commuters, nancy boys, residents of Windsor and Hove and all working for minimum wage (or is that too European and restricting competition and profit??)
May be Pilots should concentrate on running a safe and on time ship and perhaps leave the cabin to the professionals doing the job in the cabin.
May be Pilots should concentrate on running a safe and on time ship and perhaps leave the cabin to the professionals doing the job in the cabin.
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