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jonny and his essential service comments
by the time jonny gets hold of the senate (or maybe not ) in july 2005 and by the time the legislation gets through and inplemented its 2006. well that would be according to qf our next eba. so might as well scream and kick now because next time it gets a lot tougher.
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Just a side note...
Telephones are already classed as an essential service, and as such their continued operation must be adhered to. Something to do with the Teleomunications Act I believe... My Dad worked 26 years with Telstra (and 26 of them in the union) and they could not endanger the telephone continuity through any action or inaction.
Just a side note, so lets not hijack this thread any further!
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Telephones are already classed as an essential service, and as such their continued operation must be adhered to. Something to do with the Teleomunications Act I believe... My Dad worked 26 years with Telstra (and 26 of them in the union) and they could not endanger the telephone continuity through any action or inaction.
Just a side note, so lets not hijack this thread any further!
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L2P. Not too long to go now and I get to gloat when you and your union buddies get kicked on your a*se.
That is of course if you do go on strike. Whilst you claim your "rights" you have previously indicated you don't have the guts to stand by your convictions but intend to hide behind a Doctor's certificate. We will see how much of a true believer you really are.
As an outsider looking in, with employee attitudes like yours is it any wonder they want to make a change.
I have never responded to your outrageous posts in the past nor will I repond to anything you may say about this one. I am putting forward a view I am sure is shared by other posters.
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That is of course if you do go on strike. Whilst you claim your "rights" you have previously indicated you don't have the guts to stand by your convictions but intend to hide behind a Doctor's certificate. We will see how much of a true believer you really are.
As an outsider looking in, with employee attitudes like yours is it any wonder they want to make a change.
I have never responded to your outrageous posts in the past nor will I repond to anything you may say about this one. I am putting forward a view I am sure is shared by other posters.
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i wonder
i wonder if jet black monaro sits comfy in some office spending his/ her time scanning sites which may or may not have anything to do with his/her employement. anyway i hope you get paid for your input
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Jet Black Monaro,
No employee has a perfect relationship with his/her employer.From time to time negotiations break down and in order to achieve some balance employees may make use of the last resort of withdrawing their labour.This may have happened to you or it may happen to you.It is not pleasant,income and future plans are jeopardized.It is not contemplated until all avenues are exhausted..as in this case.Sitting back and gloating about someone else`s negotiation difficulties adds nothing to this discussion.Indeed it is a sad reflection on your emotional/intellectual(?)wellbeing.
This situation has been brought about by Dixons refusal to negotiate, his deceit and indifference to his workforce.Remember that it is not only Cabin Crew who are unhappy.The AIPA,the ASU and LAMEs are all unhappy.These 4 groups represent some 75% of Qantas`workforce
Your beligerent assertions sound like those of some Qantas FA wannabe who missed the cut.
No employee has a perfect relationship with his/her employer.From time to time negotiations break down and in order to achieve some balance employees may make use of the last resort of withdrawing their labour.This may have happened to you or it may happen to you.It is not pleasant,income and future plans are jeopardized.It is not contemplated until all avenues are exhausted..as in this case.Sitting back and gloating about someone else`s negotiation difficulties adds nothing to this discussion.Indeed it is a sad reflection on your emotional/intellectual(?)wellbeing.
This situation has been brought about by Dixons refusal to negotiate, his deceit and indifference to his workforce.Remember that it is not only Cabin Crew who are unhappy.The AIPA,the ASU and LAMEs are all unhappy.These 4 groups represent some 75% of Qantas`workforce
Your beligerent assertions sound like those of some Qantas FA wannabe who missed the cut.
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L2P the spelling is actually schadenfreude if you are going to try and impress with big words, try and get the spelling correct mate ...
Anyway, how can you blame outsiders reading on here for wishing QF cabin crew misfortune with this dispute? You claim to represent the thoughts of all of us at long haul, yet all you post on here is a continual diatribe against QF, QF management and indeed others who do not share your opinion! How will that create any sympathy for the cause?
Anyway info about the LHR base, I believe they are calling around those successful for CSS & CSM in the LHR base at the moment, and will shortly be advertising and recruiting for UK nationals to fill the gaps left over after the current QF crew had their chance.
Anyway, how can you blame outsiders reading on here for wishing QF cabin crew misfortune with this dispute? You claim to represent the thoughts of all of us at long haul, yet all you post on here is a continual diatribe against QF, QF management and indeed others who do not share your opinion! How will that create any sympathy for the cause?
Anyway info about the LHR base, I believe they are calling around those successful for CSS & CSM in the LHR base at the moment, and will shortly be advertising and recruiting for UK nationals to fill the gaps left over after the current QF crew had their chance.
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galley gossiper
if any of the so called outsiders follow the 350 or so posts on this forum they would have a pretty good idea whats going on inside the flying rat. also the majority of f/a's or so have expressed their view via the surveys and meetings and that was a pretty clear vote.
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galleygossiper,
thanks for the spelling lesson.
It's obvious that you are thrilled at the prospect of hundreds of UK nationals doing there utmost I'm sure, to represent, "The Spirit Of Australia".
Just how the punters feel at the prospect is another matter.
More than a few have written "letters to the editor" asking if Qantas's plans go ahead, "why fly Qantas?".
"A little birdy" told me that a particular high profile CSM has just returned from the UK after a fact finding mission.
It seems that the money offered for the position in LHR isn't enough for he and his family to even contemplate the move.
Many people it seems are awaiting his verdict before they decide to COMMIT.
Perhaps we are seeing the start of QF's plans starting to unravel?
How many EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST do you have?
Its obvious that the rubbery numbers you bandy around will have no relationship to those who do finally decide to SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE.
Remember boys and girls.
Poverty in Northern Europe, isn't going to be a lot of fun.
L2P "S.T.R".
BTW, at no time have I ever claimed to express the views of all longhaulers.
Just the VAST MAJORITY as evidenced by the results of the FAAA's surveys.
Wasn't it great to see last week Qantas exposed in the press as the lying corporate thug that it is.
My favourite was the late night interview of Borgetti outside QCC.
You know the one.
The one where he was denying that Qantas were training secret strike breakers whilst an unmarked bus surrounded by security guards was over his right shoulder in the background.
Priceless......................
thanks for the spelling lesson.
It's obvious that you are thrilled at the prospect of hundreds of UK nationals doing there utmost I'm sure, to represent, "The Spirit Of Australia".
Just how the punters feel at the prospect is another matter.
More than a few have written "letters to the editor" asking if Qantas's plans go ahead, "why fly Qantas?".
"A little birdy" told me that a particular high profile CSM has just returned from the UK after a fact finding mission.
It seems that the money offered for the position in LHR isn't enough for he and his family to even contemplate the move.
Many people it seems are awaiting his verdict before they decide to COMMIT.
Perhaps we are seeing the start of QF's plans starting to unravel?
How many EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST do you have?
Its obvious that the rubbery numbers you bandy around will have no relationship to those who do finally decide to SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE.
Remember boys and girls.
Poverty in Northern Europe, isn't going to be a lot of fun.
L2P "S.T.R".
BTW, at no time have I ever claimed to express the views of all longhaulers.
Just the VAST MAJORITY as evidenced by the results of the FAAA's surveys.
Wasn't it great to see last week Qantas exposed in the press as the lying corporate thug that it is.
My favourite was the late night interview of Borgetti outside QCC.
You know the one.
The one where he was denying that Qantas were training secret strike breakers whilst an unmarked bus surrounded by security guards was over his right shoulder in the background.
Priceless......................
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Was told today by a source at QCC that the company are worried about the upcoming mass sick day on November 18th.
Apparently they have not trained up enough strike breakers yet.
Quel dommage!
Apparently they have not trained up enough strike breakers yet.
Quel dommage!
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It's obvious that you are thrilled at the prospect of hundreds of UK nationals doing there utmost I'm sure, to represent, "The Spirit Of Australia".
But the punters supposedly complaining about not having 'australians' onboard ??? I dont follow.
For years now we have hired Japanese born crew, Thai born crew, Indian born crew, UK born crew, Spanish born crew, German born crew .... the list goes on. Then there are the already actual AKL and BKK bases with locals hired and based there. Do the punters get upset about all of these people who have been working for us for years? Nope, we still fill the seats. Why would they get anymore upset about UK nationals working on our flights (how many UK nationals do we already have on our flights?).
The punter will not even notice the difference.
And as for the majority of the crew views, well I havent seen any of the returned surveys published. If the FAAA wants to get credibility for it's surveys then it should allow people to see them. And as I have yet to meet any crew member willing to strike (since the 'strike' comment from the FAAA a few months ago). Then when are crew lying? In front of their other crew members onboard? Or on a little bit of paper? Who knows, I spose it will all pan out one way or another. I certainly wont strike. It is plainly obvious they (QF) want us to strike so that they can take all our flying bar the 747 away from us. Give all A330 &A380 flying to domestic, what does that leave us? 2 Day Sin/2 Day Bkk/2 Day HKG, JNB. The A380 will do the Americas (shorthaul crew)... Yup we need to maintain our conditions, but if we go all out now to stop the LHR base, we will lose everything... the only aircraft we have secured is the 747, everything else can be sent to a (cheaper) short haul.
If the company is willing to let SYD based crew still fly to the UK, then I cant see the big deal..... compared to what the company can do to us if we strike.
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COMPANY SURVEY?
Talking about surveys...where are the results of the COMPANY survey?I would imagine that Grant and Borghetti are so embarrassed the results will never see the light of day.
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Galley gossiper, the A380 will not go to short haul. Short haul crew can only fly international sectors within a 3hr time zone of AEST. Thats their EBA condition and they would not be willing to go any further than that.
The A380 is also another two years away at least. By that time a new EBA will have been agreed incorporating its flying. The current management will have also moved on. I doubt Hassell and Grant will be here in two years time....we can always keep our fingers x'ed and pray to the gods of NFI managers.
As for the company still letting Australian crew have access to some London flights well, it needs to be clarified before anyone can comment. They have not said how many Australians would be on board. You might find only 2 slots for us, they rest being Thai's, Kiwi's and Poms. If that was the case London would suddenly become very senior.
I am prepared to go on strike/call in sick whatever it takes to show the greedy pig management that crew are not happy, the majority will not stand to be walked over by them.
Crew survey by Grant, Borghetti, Hassell? I doubt we will ever see the results. Too negative for them too handle.
The A380 is also another two years away at least. By that time a new EBA will have been agreed incorporating its flying. The current management will have also moved on. I doubt Hassell and Grant will be here in two years time....we can always keep our fingers x'ed and pray to the gods of NFI managers.
As for the company still letting Australian crew have access to some London flights well, it needs to be clarified before anyone can comment. They have not said how many Australians would be on board. You might find only 2 slots for us, they rest being Thai's, Kiwi's and Poms. If that was the case London would suddenly become very senior.
I am prepared to go on strike/call in sick whatever it takes to show the greedy pig management that crew are not happy, the majority will not stand to be walked over by them.
Crew survey by Grant, Borghetti, Hassell? I doubt we will ever see the results. Too negative for them too handle.
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L2P - Brave fighting words indeed and BTW I do sympaphise with your current situation. However, lets say it comes to the crunch and a "Strike" is called, how long do you think the average F/A will be able to hold out not getting paid with a Sydney Mortgage and for many, families to feed. You may have your finances under control, but I bet many are in no position to be unpaid for a long period. Also if you do Strike do you really believe QF will do a Backflip on this LHR basing? Not a snowballs chance in hell are they going to change their position on this - I'd say it's all but a done deal. Also, if you do Strike during the holiday period you better have some pretty good PR to back you up, because I can't see a whole lot of sympathy coming your way from Joe Public. And right now you need people on your side.
L2P - my apologies should have been directed to STR.
L2P - my apologies should have been directed to STR.
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Finances
My wife and I have been to our mortgage provider,and have cleared our one and only credit card.With our savings and home equity and with me doing another job while on strike,we would survive for about six months before starting to hurt.Be honest with your mortgage provider and other financial institutions and they can come up with some interesting ways of helping you.Also talk to your accountant...they too can be helpful.
If we do go on strike,don`t bury your head in the sand as far as financial commitments are concerned.Credit/mortgage providers need to be kept in the loop
If we do go on strike,don`t bury your head in the sand as far as financial commitments are concerned.Credit/mortgage providers need to be kept in the loop
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I give stike duration a week max. The company have enough people trained up to cover 2 maybe 3 days max of flying. Once the company has to ground aircraft they will be back at the negotiating table.
The London base will probably go ahead, but we can still bargain the amount of crew they have based there and other o/s bases. Hopefully fix those numbers for the duration of the EBA too. At the expiry of the EBA (3 yrs) QF will have realised having the base in LHR is too expensive anyway.
The London base will probably go ahead, but we can still bargain the amount of crew they have based there and other o/s bases. Hopefully fix those numbers for the duration of the EBA too. At the expiry of the EBA (3 yrs) QF will have realised having the base in LHR is too expensive anyway.
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Start Date for London- 28 Feb 2005.
Ill be there for two years, truth is it is going ahead no matter what, so why not take two years leave without pay from main lione qf, Live in a different country, travel through Europe and have the time of your life!. When you break down the pay - sure it may not me as attractive as main line qf but atleast you will have a great time. Make it work for you. Change is inevitable.
Ill be there for two years, truth is it is going ahead no matter what, so why not take two years leave without pay from main lione qf, Live in a different country, travel through Europe and have the time of your life!. When you break down the pay - sure it may not me as attractive as main line qf but atleast you will have a great time. Make it work for you. Change is inevitable.
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The London base is going ahead....strike all you want..... It might do harm to Qantas short term but the risks involved with your own careers will be like playing Russian Roulette. If anything, Qantas will be more determined to open more bases with all the carry-on you Qantas Long Haul crew go on about, especially earlier next year when many of you just might not have a job ( the union may be powerful, but they don't win every time) Gee, you were all offered London, first preference with a guaranteed job on return.... Qantas offered those London slots to Aussies first, but hardly anyone bothered and now you are all complaining about the jobs going to foreigners....... you are reaping what you've sewn.... WOW...LETS ALL GO ON STRIKE OVER THE LONDON BASE...... Not much sympathy out there for any of you.....
Remember Ansett, TWA, Pan AM, retrenchments at American..... ( I can't even justify having to remind you but from the posts I've read, maybe a refresher for you is in order) in light of the industrys' instability and the great fortune to have a well paid job with one of the only airlines in the world making a profit at the moment you sure need to review your way of thinking......... The union might be powerful, but it might be it's last big blow, for all of you.................. and Qantas will be laughing......
Remember Ansett, TWA, Pan AM, retrenchments at American..... ( I can't even justify having to remind you but from the posts I've read, maybe a refresher for you is in order) in light of the industrys' instability and the great fortune to have a well paid job with one of the only airlines in the world making a profit at the moment you sure need to review your way of thinking......... The union might be powerful, but it might be it's last big blow, for all of you.................. and Qantas will be laughing......
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Jasmin....Grant?H
Jasmin,
We ,mercifully,hear from you infrequently.You supply no detail,no facts,just a venting of emotion and no deductive argument whatsoever.Have a think about what is involved...crew,who when times were tough,agreed to a wage freeze and the removal of a crew member.This in itself saved the company close to $30million.It was also stated that in the next EBA our compliance and assistance would be recognised.Further Qantas management committed to keeping us informed and involved in close negotiation regarding any future changes or requirements.We found out about the LHR base in the print media.
Nothing is more upsetting than helping your employer and then being treated in an entirely cavalier manner and held up to ridicule as being naive.In any relationship,business or personal,when the trust is gone,the relationship is effectively on the rocks.This is where we stand with our situation with Qantas.We are in no mood to assist them ever again.Not while the Black Widow,Ratty and the Smiling Asassin are still a part of a remote management.
Had Qantas management been honest,fair and reasonable this thread would not exist
We ,mercifully,hear from you infrequently.You supply no detail,no facts,just a venting of emotion and no deductive argument whatsoever.Have a think about what is involved...crew,who when times were tough,agreed to a wage freeze and the removal of a crew member.This in itself saved the company close to $30million.It was also stated that in the next EBA our compliance and assistance would be recognised.Further Qantas management committed to keeping us informed and involved in close negotiation regarding any future changes or requirements.We found out about the LHR base in the print media.
Nothing is more upsetting than helping your employer and then being treated in an entirely cavalier manner and held up to ridicule as being naive.In any relationship,business or personal,when the trust is gone,the relationship is effectively on the rocks.This is where we stand with our situation with Qantas.We are in no mood to assist them ever again.Not while the Black Widow,Ratty and the Smiling Asassin are still a part of a remote management.
Had Qantas management been honest,fair and reasonable this thread would not exist