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Biscuit chucker..
Interesting memo? Where did you see that? I am shorthaul. Would be interested to know if I took the 3 year LWOP to London option if seniority would carry and acrue whilst I was gone. Currently if you go on LWOP I believe your seniority continues to acrue, so cant see why not. If you hear anything post it and let us know.
Continued good luck to our shortlisters here, sorry this has had to happen.
Cheers
Interesting memo? Where did you see that? I am shorthaul. Would be interested to know if I took the 3 year LWOP to London option if seniority would carry and acrue whilst I was gone. Currently if you go on LWOP I believe your seniority continues to acrue, so cant see why not. If you hear anything post it and let us know.
Continued good luck to our shortlisters here, sorry this has had to happen.
Cheers
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There should be no need to employ U.K. citizens if there are not enough crew to make up the 400, they should look at internals, regionals, jetstar etc. There is also plenty of Australians willing to relocate to London for these positions.
Now that the decision has been made lets see Australians fill the 400 positions not anyone else.
The FAAA has been very quite on this issue.
Also with a base of only 400 Australian crew would still be required to operate up to London wouldnt they?
Now that the decision has been made lets see Australians fill the 400 positions not anyone else.
The FAAA has been very quite on this issue.
Also with a base of only 400 Australian crew would still be required to operate up to London wouldnt they?
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Galleyhag,
the internationaal FAAA representent the interest of Australian based international FA's.
If Lesley Grants past history with Air NZ is anything to go by this London base will be the thin edge of the wedge on her continuing attack on FA conditions.
If you have an opportunity have a talk to Air NZ or Freedom Air FA's about the decimation to their conditions that she was responsible for.
Moral, service standards and care for the LONGTERM success of the airline meant nothing to her. It was all about HER performance bonuses and to hell with the rest.
Lets hope that QF doesnt get the same destructive dose of, " I dont give a f@ck because my job isnt worth having anymore" attitude that was understandably prevalent at Air NZ during those times.
I understand those at Air NZ have spent the last 5 or 6 years clawing back the conditions she removed.
If rumours are anything to go by it seems she was recieving multiple death threats from the FA body such was the poisonous and unnecessary environment SHE created.
Lets get this straight.
This base represents a 1.8% improvement to the bottom line of the worlds most profible airline.
It is a MASSIVE attack on the largest employee group in the airline and a HUGE slap in the face given the success LONGHAUL FA's have largely delivered and continue to do so.
This is going to be a fight to the death and if the feeling that I see out on line is any indication, things are going to get VERY [and unnecessarily] nasty.
Fa's know that this base represents NOTHING more than pure corporate greed and if it gets up, their careers will never be the same again.
Fa's may still travel to London under QF's initial proposal but be aware that AKL based Air NZ FA's DO NOT travel beyond LA to LHR.
That flying is done by the LHR base FA's of which 80% are UK nationals.
L2P
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the internationaal FAAA representent the interest of Australian based international FA's.
If Lesley Grants past history with Air NZ is anything to go by this London base will be the thin edge of the wedge on her continuing attack on FA conditions.
If you have an opportunity have a talk to Air NZ or Freedom Air FA's about the decimation to their conditions that she was responsible for.
Moral, service standards and care for the LONGTERM success of the airline meant nothing to her. It was all about HER performance bonuses and to hell with the rest.
Lets hope that QF doesnt get the same destructive dose of, " I dont give a f@ck because my job isnt worth having anymore" attitude that was understandably prevalent at Air NZ during those times.
I understand those at Air NZ have spent the last 5 or 6 years clawing back the conditions she removed.
If rumours are anything to go by it seems she was recieving multiple death threats from the FA body such was the poisonous and unnecessary environment SHE created.
Lets get this straight.
This base represents a 1.8% improvement to the bottom line of the worlds most profible airline.
It is a MASSIVE attack on the largest employee group in the airline and a HUGE slap in the face given the success LONGHAUL FA's have largely delivered and continue to do so.
This is going to be a fight to the death and if the feeling that I see out on line is any indication, things are going to get VERY [and unnecessarily] nasty.
Fa's know that this base represents NOTHING more than pure corporate greed and if it gets up, their careers will never be the same again.
Fa's may still travel to London under QF's initial proposal but be aware that AKL based Air NZ FA's DO NOT travel beyond LA to LHR.
That flying is done by the LHR base FA's of which 80% are UK nationals.
L2P
P.S. "Qantas, The Worlds Greediest Airline".
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Guys,does anyone know what the U K government thinks of the proposal for many Aussies to be based in the U K. Buy that i mean and as example only is Thai airways moving 300 to 350 of its crew to be based in OZ. to save on slip money and accom..?????????Example only and hope you all get my drift even though my typing skills suc/q tee./as we all know.
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Just a question???
Now, this a just a curious question...pleeeeeeese don't beat Miss Pam Ann up....
Would any of (you) "Shortlisters" from OZ (I hate this label thing....but everyone else uses it), take the offer of a base in London for long-haul if you were offered???
MISS PAMela ANNderson.... xxx
Would any of (you) "Shortlisters" from OZ (I hate this label thing....but everyone else uses it), take the offer of a base in London for long-haul if you were offered???
MISS PAMela ANNderson.... xxx
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I would NOT take the London base if it was offered by QF. I'm working as crew for BA based in London, and I really miss home. London is so different from Australia, nothing like what I expected, and the only thing that keeps me here is cause I love my job at BA, and the money is good. I'm sure the money QF would offer would hardly allow you to live! I was just kicked off the short list too, after 18 months, plus all the money they made us spend to get medicals etc done, and am VERY dissapointed. I love working for BA, but as I said, I wanted to go home, but I guess that's just not gonna happen now. QF has lost a lot of good people. Their loss, and ours I suppose. 
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All I will say is that BA is looking at cost cutting measures for its longhaul cabin crew and the QANTAS measures announced are the beginning of a ONEWORLD venture that will change things for crews forever and save the companies millions!
I've already said too much.
I've already said too much.
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I feel very sorry for my ex-fellow C/C @ QF L/haul. Dixon will get his way,he usually does, he sences there is not enough FIGHT in the FAAA "DOG"and will bulldoze this through.
It is unlikely he will get enough Aust. crew to go to LHR especially
CSM's & CSS's. The outcome of that will be locals employed and instantly promoted or maybe F/A's who do go will get early promotion ??
Either way I can see another lot of voluntry redundancy's coming soon. Jump now there may never be another chance.
GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL
It is unlikely he will get enough Aust. crew to go to LHR especially
CSM's & CSS's. The outcome of that will be locals employed and instantly promoted or maybe F/A's who do go will get early promotion ??
Either way I can see another lot of voluntry redundancy's coming soon. Jump now there may never be another chance.
GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL
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I hope that awakening BEAST is a TIGER and not a PUSSYCAT for all your sakes.
Bob Ayling was more of a "bean counter" if my memory seves me correctly. His successor is more of the "Dixon" mould ie.
"A cunning survivor"
I hope that awakening BEAST is a TIGER and not a PUSSYCAT for all your sakes.
Bob Ayling was more of a "bean counter" if my memory seves me correctly. His successor is more of the "Dixon" mould ie.
"A cunning survivor"
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Looking around the posts in here its as if you're hitting your head against a brick wall.
Lesley G Rant wrecked the merit and recruitment culture of Air New Zealand, she wrecked the same at Ansett and now its Qantas' turn.
There's the odd moron in this thread and just wait and watch as the recruitment profiles are adapted to focus on that type of "yes ma'am...whatever you say ma'am" personality.
Air NZ's LHR base is a wreck. It's riddled with personality preferencing reinforced by Lesley's 1-5 on board faux 'performance management'. Crew NEVER get to see their scores except in a statistically erroneous aggregate available on line through jet.net.
Did you sleep with your ISD on the last trip? Did you buy the crew a round of drinks? Oh, that's 5's for you!
Did you have no sick leave in the last three years? Save a life? Take ownership of safety or service issues? Compensate for a lack of leadership on board or poor productivity from others...
...Lesley won't give a sh*t.
Neither will the people that are recruited off shore or those who choose to relocate. They'll be labeled "supportive of the company".
25% today.
50% tomorrow.
And Emirates will eat you all alive.
Let's hope the FAAA don't sell you all down the river, the way FARSA sold their own and continues to cut Freedom crew off at the knees.
Looking around the posts in here its as if you're hitting your head against a brick wall.
Lesley G Rant wrecked the merit and recruitment culture of Air New Zealand, she wrecked the same at Ansett and now its Qantas' turn.
There's the odd moron in this thread and just wait and watch as the recruitment profiles are adapted to focus on that type of "yes ma'am...whatever you say ma'am" personality.
Air NZ's LHR base is a wreck. It's riddled with personality preferencing reinforced by Lesley's 1-5 on board faux 'performance management'. Crew NEVER get to see their scores except in a statistically erroneous aggregate available on line through jet.net.
Did you sleep with your ISD on the last trip? Did you buy the crew a round of drinks? Oh, that's 5's for you!
Did you have no sick leave in the last three years? Save a life? Take ownership of safety or service issues? Compensate for a lack of leadership on board or poor productivity from others...
...Lesley won't give a sh*t.
Neither will the people that are recruited off shore or those who choose to relocate. They'll be labeled "supportive of the company".
25% today.
50% tomorrow.
And Emirates will eat you all alive.
Let's hope the FAAA don't sell you all down the river, the way FARSA sold their own and continues to cut Freedom crew off at the knees.
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Folks,
I am no longer a member of the FAAA depite keeping my membership for a whiile after the collapse of ansett .
I would be interested to hear what people think that the FAAA should do about this proposal.
I am sure that someone from the FAAA will see this forum.
The fee paying FAAA members have got to remember that THEY are the union. THEY vote the executive into power and, if THEY don't like how the union handles this situation then THEY should vote them out. As far as I know the FAAA is still an open forum.
What should be done....strike????? , withdraw overtime?....sick leave.....? use disruptive industrial tactics ???
Remember you are the union!
Fact is , I don't really think you can do much about it other than causing a bit of mayhem which will certainly go down well with the general public , who ultimately pay the wages.
Dixon will get what he wants , and when he gets it it will be easy to use the FAAA as a scapegoat .
Lets hear it Ladies and Gentlemen , assuming that the FAAA ececutive read this forum , what do you propose THEY ( read you ) should do.?
I am no longer a member of the FAAA depite keeping my membership for a whiile after the collapse of ansett .
I would be interested to hear what people think that the FAAA should do about this proposal.
I am sure that someone from the FAAA will see this forum.
The fee paying FAAA members have got to remember that THEY are the union. THEY vote the executive into power and, if THEY don't like how the union handles this situation then THEY should vote them out. As far as I know the FAAA is still an open forum.
What should be done....strike????? , withdraw overtime?....sick leave.....? use disruptive industrial tactics ???
Remember you are the union!
Fact is , I don't really think you can do much about it other than causing a bit of mayhem which will certainly go down well with the general public , who ultimately pay the wages.
Dixon will get what he wants , and when he gets it it will be easy to use the FAAA as a scapegoat .
Lets hear it Ladies and Gentlemen , assuming that the FAAA ececutive read this forum , what do you propose THEY ( read you ) should do.?
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Im not at all suprised the company gave the union 2 hours notice prior to a media conferance.
The union has been giving "dispensation" for this and "dispensation" for that so much lately, that the company knows they are a complete push over.
I have always respected the union and have been a member for 7 years, but my views are slowly starting to change as im not seeing our once STRONG union as strong as they once were.
Dixon WILL get what he wants, I guarantee it. The Union will give dispensation.
The union has been giving "dispensation" for this and "dispensation" for that so much lately, that the company knows they are a complete push over.
I have always respected the union and have been a member for 7 years, but my views are slowly starting to change as im not seeing our once STRONG union as strong as they once were.
Dixon WILL get what he wants, I guarantee it. The Union will give dispensation.
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People deserve what they vote for
The FAAA's own members will hang themselves with the rope they're given - just watch as a new EBA goes out for ratification and the greedies vote to keep their seniority based trip bidding and the overseas base cap comes off as a trade off.
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Loss of more flying!
Before the loss of Paris flights I think many of the senior crew where in the mindset of 'I don't go to London, so the base there won't affect me'.
I think now the senior people have lost Paris they may start thinking about the effects of the overseas base.
Anyone online will have heard the other rumour 'We are getting Rome back'. I can assure everyone that if we do start flying back to Rome it will NOT be with Australian based crew.
I also heard from a good source at QCC on Thursday that Australian based crew will not be flying to Frankfurt once the London base is open.
The plan is to PAX London based crew to Frankfurt, Rome, Paris (maybe?) and then have them operate to Singapore/Bangkok.
As the London based crew are on different awards the PAX'ing component of the trip will be unpaid and not count towards maximum duty limits. This would be the same as Thai and Kiwi crew paxing around the network and not getting paid.
Here's hoping all crew stick together and hit Qantas with a prolonged strike which will hurt Qantas financially. Its the only thing Dixon understands.
I think now the senior people have lost Paris they may start thinking about the effects of the overseas base.
Anyone online will have heard the other rumour 'We are getting Rome back'. I can assure everyone that if we do start flying back to Rome it will NOT be with Australian based crew.
I also heard from a good source at QCC on Thursday that Australian based crew will not be flying to Frankfurt once the London base is open.
The plan is to PAX London based crew to Frankfurt, Rome, Paris (maybe?) and then have them operate to Singapore/Bangkok.
As the London based crew are on different awards the PAX'ing component of the trip will be unpaid and not count towards maximum duty limits. This would be the same as Thai and Kiwi crew paxing around the network and not getting paid.
Here's hoping all crew stick together and hit Qantas with a prolonged strike which will hurt Qantas financially. Its the only thing Dixon understands.
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Lots of comments here from people about the FAAA, most of whom sound misinformed.
In recent past the INTERNATIONAL division of the FAAA has been beset with factional infighting which to a large degree has played into the hands of QF management.
Such was the disgust of the membership at the outcome from our last round of negotiations that the faction responsible for its outcome decided not to even run this time around.
The more militant of the factions now has control and at last CC present a united front against QF's attacks.
QF are going to find out soon that if you push people too far they will reach a point where they turn around and bite you, HARD.
L2P
In recent past the INTERNATIONAL division of the FAAA has been beset with factional infighting which to a large degree has played into the hands of QF management.
Such was the disgust of the membership at the outcome from our last round of negotiations that the faction responsible for its outcome decided not to even run this time around.
The more militant of the factions now has control and at last CC present a united front against QF's attacks.
QF are going to find out soon that if you push people too far they will reach a point where they turn around and bite you, HARD.
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I totally agree the writing is on the wall for long haul crew. European flying will be limited or non existent once the London base is opened.
I hope the members and the FAAA fight Qantas hard on this issue because it has an effect not only on existing long haul crew but the future of many AUSTRALIANS wanting to work with Qantas.
Once London is up and running you get bet they turn their sights on L.A. and the other bases previously discussed.
One question though, how can Dixon do this and announce it when there is a cap of 370 in the EBA? Does this mean QF are going to ignore the EBA on this issue?
L2P: Lets hope all long haul crew have your attitude.
I hope the members and the FAAA fight Qantas hard on this issue because it has an effect not only on existing long haul crew but the future of many AUSTRALIANS wanting to work with Qantas.
Once London is up and running you get bet they turn their sights on L.A. and the other bases previously discussed.
One question though, how can Dixon do this and announce it when there is a cap of 370 in the EBA? Does this mean QF are going to ignore the EBA on this issue?
L2P: Lets hope all long haul crew have your attitude.
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GH, you are exactly right. LA base will be next and then Jo'Berg. Soon Australian's will have no where to fly to.
The current cap of 370 is due for discussion in the new EBA. The current EBA expires on 18th Dec 04.
As the base does not open until mid 05 Dixon will use it as a bargaining tool to cut back existing conditions. As usual employees don't count, as long as the stock market likes it Dixon will shaft us all.
Current short haul MAM casuals have been offered 10 mnths long haul contracts. They will be used a stike breakers when we eventually stop work. For this reason the FAAA must make the stop work last for several days.
Another way would be for all crew to band together and organise a worldwide 'call in sick' day. Catch Dixon unprepared and screw QF over for a change.
I just can't understand why Qantas hate crew so much?
The current cap of 370 is due for discussion in the new EBA. The current EBA expires on 18th Dec 04.
As the base does not open until mid 05 Dixon will use it as a bargaining tool to cut back existing conditions. As usual employees don't count, as long as the stock market likes it Dixon will shaft us all.
Current short haul MAM casuals have been offered 10 mnths long haul contracts. They will be used a stike breakers when we eventually stop work. For this reason the FAAA must make the stop work last for several days.
Another way would be for all crew to band together and organise a worldwide 'call in sick' day. Catch Dixon unprepared and screw QF over for a change.
I just can't understand why Qantas hate crew so much?
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I just can't understand why Qantas hate crew so much?
I think Geofrey sees the FA's as a soft target. Personally, I would not flinch for a second if I had to do a bit of industrial action for a worth while cause. I am not a big fan of corporate greed (and that's what controls QF).
I think that with all of this take, take, take (combined with the disrespectful way in which Geof is going about it all) is all starting to take it's toll on the FA's. Even those previously an with "anti-strike" work ethic are starting to see this as their only choice.