The Qf Shortlist Has Been Activated!
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The Qf Shortlist Has Been Activated!
News just to hand..
One of my colleagues at Jet* received a call from QF offering an 11 month contract for Long Haul based ex MEL.
Time until training - 1 WEEK!
Interesting - considering QF mgmt went on record as saying there were no training schools planned for this financial year (last I looked, this wasn't July!)
I think there is movement in the shortlist kids.
Don't know where this leaves those of us who were employed by QF group during our application...remembering that we can (apparently) only be offered 'permanent' work...
One of my colleagues at Jet* received a call from QF offering an 11 month contract for Long Haul based ex MEL.
Time until training - 1 WEEK!
Interesting - considering QF mgmt went on record as saying there were no training schools planned for this financial year (last I looked, this wasn't July!)
I think there is movement in the shortlist kids.
Don't know where this leaves those of us who were employed by QF group during our application...remembering that we can (apparently) only be offered 'permanent' work...
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Hi ther Mr Seatback2
Is your colleague at JET* PERMANENT, isnt he/she is part of QF group PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong but believed permanent QF employees could only be offered same same working conditions?
What did they do take it or leave it??
NZKID
Is your colleague at JET* PERMANENT, isnt he/she is part of QF group PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong but believed permanent QF employees could only be offered same same working conditions?
What did they do take it or leave it??
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He is permanent with Jet*, but he WASN'T employed with us during the application process.
I don't know if that makes any difference - hell, most of this process appears to have been made up as we've gone along - but those of us who WERE employed DURING the application process appear to have been segregated from any contract work at this stage.
That's as of today - the rules may change tomorrow?!?!
I don't know if that makes any difference - hell, most of this process appears to have been made up as we've gone along - but those of us who WERE employed DURING the application process appear to have been segregated from any contract work at this stage.
That's as of today - the rules may change tomorrow?!?!
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Hmm, I heard that they were only offering positions ex SYD....
Didn't realise they were offering ex MEL - why haven't they called me!! LOL
Oh well, have to wait and see....
Didn't realise they were offering ex MEL - why haven't they called me!! LOL
Oh well, have to wait and see....
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UPDATE - UPDATE - UPDATE
My mate who was offered the contract contacted QF and discussed his situation with them. They offered him a place in...
THE SECOND TRAINING school to be held on July 2.
Apparently, QF are having a hard time of getting in touch with people.
My mate who was offered the contract contacted QF and discussed his situation with them. They offered him a place in...
THE SECOND TRAINING school to be held on July 2.
Apparently, QF are having a hard time of getting in touch with people.
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Congratulations to all !!
Its great to hear some good news !! Lets hope in the next couple of days we hear a lot more good news !! At least its starting to HAPPEN !! MR Seatback 2 how are you going and what is happening to you considering you appled externaly !! Or are you waiting for the carear progression !! So is Ditsyboy joining main line as well !! Good luck and chat soon and hope we have somthing to celebrate soon to !! congratulations to the others!!!
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At an end.....
I write this post with disappointment.......had to do one of the most difficult things I have ever done this afternoon.
After receiving a call from QF HR late yesterday, and subsequently being offered a 10 month contract based in SYD (with training starting in one week!) I had to turn down that particular training school as I couldn't possibly only give my current airline only 1 weeks notice AND move to another state........so the lovely lady said that she would call me back in the next couple of days with (hopefully) another later date.
Got the 2nd call this morning offering a school in just under three weeks - better timing - however was told that these contracts will most DEFINITELY terminate next May......and have been also told by a very reliable source that these will not be extended (they'll be used just to cover a spike in flying-and until the London base opens).
Unfortunately, I couldn't jusify leaving a full-time flying job for 10months AND moving to another state for the position.
Such a pity that we have been made wait 16 months for a 10 month position.
I really hope it works out for my fellow shortlisters - and that you internals are offered a perm possie.
C u soon.
Oz
After receiving a call from QF HR late yesterday, and subsequently being offered a 10 month contract based in SYD (with training starting in one week!) I had to turn down that particular training school as I couldn't possibly only give my current airline only 1 weeks notice AND move to another state........so the lovely lady said that she would call me back in the next couple of days with (hopefully) another later date.
Got the 2nd call this morning offering a school in just under three weeks - better timing - however was told that these contracts will most DEFINITELY terminate next May......and have been also told by a very reliable source that these will not be extended (they'll be used just to cover a spike in flying-and until the London base opens).
Unfortunately, I couldn't jusify leaving a full-time flying job for 10months AND moving to another state for the position.
Such a pity that we have been made wait 16 months for a 10 month position.
I really hope it works out for my fellow shortlisters - and that you internals are offered a perm possie.
C u soon.
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Hi ozflyboy,
That's very disappointing for you. It made me sad to think that your dream was dashed but try to think of it as a stepping stone to something better. I believe things happen for a reason and perhaps you are right where you are meant to be for now.
You never know what will happen in a couple of years. This whole aviation game is a rollercoaster. You can focus on your full time job now and at least your up there doing what you love to do.
Good luck for the future.
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That's very disappointing for you. It made me sad to think that your dream was dashed but try to think of it as a stepping stone to something better. I believe things happen for a reason and perhaps you are right where you are meant to be for now.
You never know what will happen in a couple of years. This whole aviation game is a rollercoaster. You can focus on your full time job now and at least your up there doing what you love to do.
Good luck for the future.
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Bad news...
Just heard that some internals ( applicants that applied with blue form) that were on the waitlist received notification today that they are now officially OFF the waitlist.
So I'm guessing anyone that is within the QF Group will be getting the thanks but no thanks letters very soon.
If that is the case, I have nothing to say except "IM DISGUSTED!"
So I'm guessing anyone that is within the QF Group will be getting the thanks but no thanks letters very soon.
If that is the case, I have nothing to say except "IM DISGUSTED!"
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I haven't had a call yet , however its only early days (I'm slightly gutted) ....
Will have to wait and see if anything pans out for me.... Like everyone else I've been patiently waiting, but as the good Kath Day-Night would say "I'm champing at the bit"....
Will have to wait and see if anything pans out for me.... Like everyone else I've been patiently waiting, but as the good Kath Day-Night would say "I'm champing at the bit"....
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Thanks.....
Hey guys,
Thanks for your thoughts Iguanahead.....yeah - who knows - whatever is meant to be will be!
For you MEL ppl - the QF lady did also mention that MEL would be an option for me (not that it was any better - in fact, further away for such a short period!)....so you never know - some of you MEL guys are obviously gonna get a call!
It really doesn't look like QF is much of a career option for anyone not already in the system anymore - I mean how can you expect ppl with financial commitments to accept a 10month contract with "no possibilty of an extension - you will finish next May."
Anyway, it has been a fun ride guys......even if the outcome isn't what many of us had hoped for.
How about all of u other externals and those internals who have been posting for the last 16 months.......what have u heard/been offered/decided to do??
Best of luck guys!!
Oz
Thanks for your thoughts Iguanahead.....yeah - who knows - whatever is meant to be will be!
For you MEL ppl - the QF lady did also mention that MEL would be an option for me (not that it was any better - in fact, further away for such a short period!)....so you never know - some of you MEL guys are obviously gonna get a call!
It really doesn't look like QF is much of a career option for anyone not already in the system anymore - I mean how can you expect ppl with financial commitments to accept a 10month contract with "no possibilty of an extension - you will finish next May."
Anyway, it has been a fun ride guys......even if the outcome isn't what many of us had hoped for.
How about all of u other externals and those internals who have been posting for the last 16 months.......what have u heard/been offered/decided to do??
Best of luck guys!!
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Hi Ozflyboy
Sorry to hear about the ridiculous offer they made you after waiting for so long. Not sure what QF are thinking (apart from the obvious London Base), but I'm disgusted at the treatment given to you guys. Not only have they made you wait so long, but even worse expect you to start in a week
?????? Surely they must have some common sense to understand people need some notice, especially when they are not expecting a job offer.
I live by the moto, "Everything happens for a reason", it may be hard to understand now "why" this situation turned out the way it did, but I can assure you all will make sense in the future. I'm not sure if you are currently flying for another carrier, but if so enjoy what you have and try to put behind you this unethical treatment by a "reputable" airline. Always remember, you are obviously a talented individual who shines, this is obviously evident through your abilities to make it this far.
Good Luck
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Sorry to hear about the ridiculous offer they made you after waiting for so long. Not sure what QF are thinking (apart from the obvious London Base), but I'm disgusted at the treatment given to you guys. Not only have they made you wait so long, but even worse expect you to start in a week
?????? Surely they must have some common sense to understand people need some notice, especially when they are not expecting a job offer.I live by the moto, "Everything happens for a reason", it may be hard to understand now "why" this situation turned out the way it did, but I can assure you all will make sense in the future. I'm not sure if you are currently flying for another carrier, but if so enjoy what you have and try to put behind you this unethical treatment by a "reputable" airline. Always remember, you are obviously a talented individual who shines, this is obviously evident through your abilities to make it this far.
Good Luck
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There is some positive news to come out of this bad news, at least you now know where you stand, and can finally move on.
As an interested observer who has been watching procedings without any personal vested interest, (apart from my better half also being on said list), emotion has played little part in my contributions to these forums.
It has been excrutiating to see people clinging with their bare fingernails, in the hope of eventually being offered something. These forums are great in that you know you aren't going through this ridiculous process alone, yet in other ways I think they have made things worse for you. I know this place is designed to be a rumour mill, but people desperate for any sort of news read these posts and sadly, believe them. Now that reality is setting in, a lot of hopes and dreams are being crushed. Very Disappointing.
As an interested observer who has been watching procedings without any personal vested interest, (apart from my better half also being on said list), emotion has played little part in my contributions to these forums.
It has been excrutiating to see people clinging with their bare fingernails, in the hope of eventually being offered something. These forums are great in that you know you aren't going through this ridiculous process alone, yet in other ways I think they have made things worse for you. I know this place is designed to be a rumour mill, but people desperate for any sort of news read these posts and sadly, believe them. Now that reality is setting in, a lot of hopes and dreams are being crushed. Very Disappointing.
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Just wanted to let everyone know I got a call this morning for Mel base. I will be starting 16th June (next Wednesday!). I did not have a full time job so I was able to give notice quickly.
I really do hope that everyone hears something one way or another. The waiting is the worst thing. Good luck to all in whatever you decide to do.
I really do hope that everyone hears something one way or another. The waiting is the worst thing. Good luck to all in whatever you decide to do.
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Ozflyboy
That must have been a heart wrenching decision, and yes everything happens for a reason. I have said this before, in the aviation industry things tend to go in circles so hopefully one day things will turn around and you can be assured that the FAAA International Division and long haul crew will be fighting to ensure more off-shore bases are not opened, this is evident from their website.
Qantas are more than happy to give the media information on their plans for off-shore crew to gain public and shareholder support, so I suggest all you guys write to the papers and tell them of your treatment. Qantas hate any negative publicity, QF staff that have done Exceptional will know what I am talking about. So write and tell the papers that your jobs are now going off-shore and the best QF can offer to Australians is an 11 months contract. The papers would really sit up and take notice if they get hundreds of letters from all the people on the short list that have been shafted.
That must have been a heart wrenching decision, and yes everything happens for a reason. I have said this before, in the aviation industry things tend to go in circles so hopefully one day things will turn around and you can be assured that the FAAA International Division and long haul crew will be fighting to ensure more off-shore bases are not opened, this is evident from their website.
Qantas are more than happy to give the media information on their plans for off-shore crew to gain public and shareholder support, so I suggest all you guys write to the papers and tell them of your treatment. Qantas hate any negative publicity, QF staff that have done Exceptional will know what I am talking about. So write and tell the papers that your jobs are now going off-shore and the best QF can offer to Australians is an 11 months contract. The papers would really sit up and take notice if they get hundreds of letters from all the people on the short list that have been shafted.
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I really do not want to offend ... but calling that a 'ridiculous offer' well, has anyone thought that this is what the future of QF recruitment will be? Permanent positions may never be offered again, so if you wish to fly for QF, then you have to accept what is on offer ..... if you wont accept it, then apply for another airline.
The last 18 months has completely changed the industry, you cannot expect that QF will not change with those changes.
Dissapointing for you guys on the short-list ? yes, I can understand that.
But this is the future for our recruitment, so if you wanna fly with us, then that's what you have to do.... Its a simple choice.
The FAAA will be doing everything to stop this kind of contract work/ overseas bases ..... just pray they succeed..... if not, those who with to fly for QF in the future will have to accept a contract or a casual job ..... harsh, but it's the way it is.
Life was easy when all new recruits we full-time permanent, but those days are over ..... and as the current staff have to deal with this, so do those who wish to be employed in the future .... again, no offence intended.
The last 18 months has completely changed the industry, you cannot expect that QF will not change with those changes.
Dissapointing for you guys on the short-list ? yes, I can understand that.
But this is the future for our recruitment, so if you wanna fly with us, then that's what you have to do.... Its a simple choice.
The FAAA will be doing everything to stop this kind of contract work/ overseas bases ..... just pray they succeed..... if not, those who with to fly for QF in the future will have to accept a contract or a casual job ..... harsh, but it's the way it is.
Life was easy when all new recruits we full-time permanent, but those days are over ..... and as the current staff have to deal with this, so do those who wish to be employed in the future .... again, no offence intended.
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Ridiculous Offer
Q-Tee,
No offence taken in relation to the "ridiculous offer" comment. When I say that it is a ridiculous offer (contract 10 months) I am referring to the fact that these people have been told that after 10 months there is NO chance they will have a job. How can one justify offering someone this and saying but after 10 months you will have to leave?
I agree that if you dont like the conditions dont apply, but dont forget these people on the waitlist applied thinking it was permanent, there was NO talk of a 10 month contract. Contracts have become a large part of the workforce. In government service much of the work is contract work, however they advertise this and make it clear from application stage, not throw it on you at the end, and even worse give you a 1 week notice to start.
In summary I still think it is a ridiculous offer, however that's just my opinion, and respect peoples may differ!
Cheers
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No offence taken in relation to the "ridiculous offer" comment. When I say that it is a ridiculous offer (contract 10 months) I am referring to the fact that these people have been told that after 10 months there is NO chance they will have a job. How can one justify offering someone this and saying but after 10 months you will have to leave?
I agree that if you dont like the conditions dont apply, but dont forget these people on the waitlist applied thinking it was permanent, there was NO talk of a 10 month contract. Contracts have become a large part of the workforce. In government service much of the work is contract work, however they advertise this and make it clear from application stage, not throw it on you at the end, and even worse give you a 1 week notice to start.
In summary I still think it is a ridiculous offer, however that's just my opinion, and respect peoples may differ!
Cheers
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I agree !!
I coulndnt have said it better myself social flyer !!!
If you apply for a job thats what you have applied for !! Not change the job description around !! i cant belive what Q-Tee said !!
If you apply for a job thats what you have applied for !! Not change the job description around !! i cant belive what Q-Tee said !!