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Thanks PP and Galleyhag
Lets hope the QF shortlisters get a shot at any positions as well as MAM! At least things are on the move, hopefully to the benefit of everyone.
Look forward to more info
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Lets hope the QF shortlisters get a shot at any positions as well as MAM! At least things are on the move, hopefully to the benefit of everyone.
Look forward to more info
thanks
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Thank you very much GH.
If you know... are the "MAM's" used like an agency is to fill spots on very short notice... or to fill longer periods where QF dont want to recruit, but have spaces?
As you can probably guess i would love to become a QF F/A. I'm guessing that MAM is an avenue i should not go down if my gaol is to be permanent C/C. Is that correct?
If you know... are the "MAM's" used like an agency is to fill spots on very short notice... or to fill longer periods where QF dont want to recruit, but have spaces?
As you can probably guess i would love to become a QF F/A. I'm guessing that MAM is an avenue i should not go down if my gaol is to be permanent C/C. Is that correct?
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MAM provides "casual" flight attendants to Qantas' short haul division and yes they are an agency. However from time to time MAM crew have the opportunity to be interviewed for permanent positions when and if they arise but there is no guarantee you will obtain a permanent position just because you are with MAM.
Like a lot of people you state you would like a permanent position with QF. You will note from the posts on other threads that QF indicated some time ago that they were trying to reduce the % of permanent crew they employ and on a recent post it has been said that there will be no external permanent recruitment for some 2 years.
A few years ago the only employment options available to external applicants was Fixed term and/or casual and a lot of these people were made permanent. However we live in different times, I think in the future with QF in particular that permanent employment will not be readily available. Therefore that doesnt leave you much option but to accept what QF have to offer or wait.
Australian Airlines and the QF regionals offer permanent positions but if your heart is set on QF you may have consider a position other than permanent.
Like a lot of people you state you would like a permanent position with QF. You will note from the posts on other threads that QF indicated some time ago that they were trying to reduce the % of permanent crew they employ and on a recent post it has been said that there will be no external permanent recruitment for some 2 years.
A few years ago the only employment options available to external applicants was Fixed term and/or casual and a lot of these people were made permanent. However we live in different times, I think in the future with QF in particular that permanent employment will not be readily available. Therefore that doesnt leave you much option but to accept what QF have to offer or wait.
Australian Airlines and the QF regionals offer permanent positions but if your heart is set on QF you may have consider a position other than permanent.
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yes.. to my dissapointment i have read those threads re no permanemt positions with qf. 
im not stupid... i can see whats happening.
from what ive read ... qf are expanding l/h... and they want to reduce their FA numbers (mostly permanent) ... im guessing this is by means on natural attition. as i have flown many times with qf internationally and domestically i know there are quiet a few *older* FA's. does anyone know what the average age of the QF FA workforce is... and in recent times.. the average age for retirement/resignations?
im probably looking into this too much.
maybe you could help me in another way...
in your mind.. do you see experience as a waiter in a 5star deluxe international hotel better or worse than as a waiter in a 400 cover (3 chef hat) fine dining restaurant regarding "competitiveness" as a prospective qf fa recruit?
(gee.. that sentance is too long.. needs to be broken up... hopefully you understand what i mean)
have a nice day!
im not stupid... i can see whats happening.
from what ive read ... qf are expanding l/h... and they want to reduce their FA numbers (mostly permanent) ... im guessing this is by means on natural attition. as i have flown many times with qf internationally and domestically i know there are quiet a few *older* FA's. does anyone know what the average age of the QF FA workforce is... and in recent times.. the average age for retirement/resignations?
im probably looking into this too much.
maybe you could help me in another way...
in your mind.. do you see experience as a waiter in a 5star deluxe international hotel better or worse than as a waiter in a 400 cover (3 chef hat) fine dining restaurant regarding "competitiveness" as a prospective qf fa recruit?
(gee.. that sentance is too long.. needs to be broken up... hopefully you understand what i mean)
have a nice day!
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Good times heading our way
Thank you PP and Galley hag for informative information.
It is hard sitting back waiting but now it seems like it is on the move again. I am certainly interested in the long haul division. I am on the QF waitlist so hopefully I might get a call soon.
Where they recruiting for schools before christmas for long haul? or MAM for short haul casuals?
Is it likely to be permanent for long haul or fixed term?
Anyway good news at last!
Thank you!
It is hard sitting back waiting but now it seems like it is on the move again. I am certainly interested in the long haul division. I am on the QF waitlist so hopefully I might get a call soon.
Where they recruiting for schools before christmas for long haul? or MAM for short haul casuals?
Is it likely to be permanent for long haul or fixed term?
Anyway good news at last!
Thank you!
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Mmmm, yeah. Good news at last.
If you are on the shortlist!
Dreadful news if you are Short Haul!
The waiting game stops for one group of aviation buffs and begins for another. Yip, Yip, Yeah!
QF was only at the Industrial Commision just a few weeks back stating that they were still (at least) 300 overstaffed in Short Haul. (Dont ask me how they figured that one out!) Now with the news of Short Haul being even further reduced in size there is going to be an even larger excess to deal with! I dont even like to think about the options. I just hope QF does the right thing with their EXISTING staff!
We just have to keep on waiting for that Nov Board to make the BIG announcements, I suppose!
Dreadful news if you are Short Haul!
The waiting game stops for one group of aviation buffs and begins for another. Yip, Yip, Yeah!
QF was only at the Industrial Commision just a few weeks back stating that they were still (at least) 300 overstaffed in Short Haul. (Dont ask me how they figured that one out!) Now with the news of Short Haul being even further reduced in size there is going to be an even larger excess to deal with! I dont even like to think about the options. I just hope QF does the right thing with their EXISTING staff!
We just have to keep on waiting for that Nov Board to make the BIG announcements, I suppose!
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Hi OZcabincrew,
No question is a silly question! 
And my apologies for assuming that everyone knows what has been going on with Short Haul!
As Peanut Pusher mentioned in his post earlier, Short Haul will reduce in size and will eventually become Mid Haul and the LCC will become the larger arm of the Domestic Market.
The company has been trying to deal with an exess of FA's in Short Haul for most of this year, this is still a problem now. It will certainly be an even bigger problem when all of the FA's who took LWOP or Part time positions (untill the end of this year) return to work early next year. This, coupled with the fact that QF has just announced it's intentions to reduce it's Short Haul business to make way for their new LCC! (This LCC is going to be an airline which will run independently from QF Short Haul. Therefore, the staff working for the LCC will not be QF Short Haul FA's - they will be employed by the LCC - under different conditions and pay structure to that of Short Haul. Spells cheaper)
Basically, with this constant problem of excess staff numbers in Short Haul and no predicted growth - only a downsize! - other measures will have to be taken. The company cannot financially $upport an overstaffing problem. And my personal guess is that they won't! They will give the Short Haul staff some options and they wont necessarily be as attractive as the positions they have now (for example, more voluntary or even compulsory redundancies, positions wtih the LCC, maybe even just the offer of contracts positions with the LCC) I'm not sure, just my GUESS for now!!
They are currently taking some FA's from Short Haul to Long Haul (with it's predicted growth), but going by Peanut Pusher they will be filling some of this growth with Shortlisters as well (probably for casual positions - Once again, I really dont know).
The announcement of growth in Long Haul is great news, however, this LCC means things are all going to change for the Short Haul FA's.
Eventually all will be revealed soon tho, I suppose. The cards are being played very close to the chest at the moment.
And my apologies for assuming that everyone knows what has been going on with Short Haul! As Peanut Pusher mentioned in his post earlier, Short Haul will reduce in size and will eventually become Mid Haul and the LCC will become the larger arm of the Domestic Market.
The company has been trying to deal with an exess of FA's in Short Haul for most of this year, this is still a problem now. It will certainly be an even bigger problem when all of the FA's who took LWOP or Part time positions (untill the end of this year) return to work early next year. This, coupled with the fact that QF has just announced it's intentions to reduce it's Short Haul business to make way for their new LCC! (This LCC is going to be an airline which will run independently from QF Short Haul. Therefore, the staff working for the LCC will not be QF Short Haul FA's - they will be employed by the LCC - under different conditions and pay structure to that of Short Haul. Spells cheaper)
Basically, with this constant problem of excess staff numbers in Short Haul and no predicted growth - only a downsize! - other measures will have to be taken. The company cannot financially $upport an overstaffing problem. And my personal guess is that they won't! They will give the Short Haul staff some options and they wont necessarily be as attractive as the positions they have now (for example, more voluntary or even compulsory redundancies, positions wtih the LCC, maybe even just the offer of contracts positions with the LCC) I'm not sure, just my GUESS for now!!
They are currently taking some FA's from Short Haul to Long Haul (with it's predicted growth), but going by Peanut Pusher they will be filling some of this growth with Shortlisters as well (probably for casual positions - Once again, I really dont know).
The announcement of growth in Long Haul is great news, however, this LCC means things are all going to change for the Short Haul FA's.
Eventually all will be revealed soon tho, I suppose. The cards are being played very close to the chest at the moment.
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Thanks Qwannas!
Hopefully the QF shortlisters have a chance at positions and not only the guys from MAM!!! Any L/H positions to be filled by shortlisters, are these likely to be QF or MAM shortlisters? The only reason I'm asking this (nothing against the MAM guys) is just that it seems we are at the bottom of the list for positions when they arise? Don't get me wrong, I am more than happy to be on the shortlist and am more than happy to wait, just hoping we actually have a chance!
Will this new LCC be run the same way as Australian Airlines? Meaning, they will do their own recruitment drive and not use existing QF shortlisters? If so, I will definately apply!
Anyway, thanks for your info, look forward to hearing more in the next month or two??
thanks again!
Hopefully the QF shortlisters have a chance at positions and not only the guys from MAM!!! Any L/H positions to be filled by shortlisters, are these likely to be QF or MAM shortlisters? The only reason I'm asking this (nothing against the MAM guys) is just that it seems we are at the bottom of the list for positions when they arise? Don't get me wrong, I am more than happy to be on the shortlist and am more than happy to wait, just hoping we actually have a chance!
Will this new LCC be run the same way as Australian Airlines? Meaning, they will do their own recruitment drive and not use existing QF shortlisters? If so, I will definately apply!
Anyway, thanks for your info, look forward to hearing more in the next month or two??
thanks again!
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As a short haul flight attendant I'm not to concerned just yet, there will still be some domestic flying and as PP posted mid haul flying.
But one thing is certain and that is any surplus of permanent flight attendants will be given priority over people on the short list. The FAAA of both divisions will ensure current crew are looked after before short list applicants.
Lets just wait and see how all this works out and we know all the facts before we worry to much about this.
I do feel for the people on the short list but at the same time there is something like 2000 short haul cabin which will need to be given priority for positions along with Impulse if there flying goes as well.
Dont get me wrong this all wont happen overnight (I hope) so I think the current short listers will see themselves in jobs.
Ozcabincrew
MAM have only ever been used in Short Haul for casual positions. Therefore if casual positions are available in short haul they will be filled by MAM short listers, like they have in the past.
QF short listers will be offered any other positions within mainline being fixed term, casual (long haul) or permanent.
But one thing is certain and that is any surplus of permanent flight attendants will be given priority over people on the short list. The FAAA of both divisions will ensure current crew are looked after before short list applicants.
Lets just wait and see how all this works out and we know all the facts before we worry to much about this.
I do feel for the people on the short list but at the same time there is something like 2000 short haul cabin which will need to be given priority for positions along with Impulse if there flying goes as well.
Dont get me wrong this all wont happen overnight (I hope) so I think the current short listers will see themselves in jobs.
Ozcabincrew
MAM have only ever been used in Short Haul for casual positions. Therefore if casual positions are available in short haul they will be filled by MAM short listers, like they have in the past.
QF short listers will be offered any other positions within mainline being fixed term, casual (long haul) or permanent.
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I hope this information helps it comes from the QF cabin crew web site.
Answered: October 27, 2003
Comments: Now,that the announcement has been made that qantas will be launching a new "no frills" airline next may, I was wondering how can I apply to join this airline as I am currently only casual and need to work full-time. Also, where will it be based? Thanks in advance for your response.
Answer: Thank you for your query,
At this stage the announcement of Qantas' new low cost domestic airline was only announced on the 16th October 2003 and no further information as to the base or flight attendant requirements for the airline have been established. It is anticipated that further information will be available towards the end of the year.
Flight Attendant positions for this new airline, if available in the future will be recruited by the new airline as a company separate from Qantas Airways.
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Answered: October 27, 2003
Comments: Dear HR,
Most of our short list/waiting periods are due to expire in Feb 04. ***** and the Hr team have done a wonderful job of selecting wonderful and talented, not to mention keen candidates to become QF FA's. Please can you do what ever it takes to keep us on your books untill positions become available. It would be such a shame to loose us all, and also loose the good efforts that you all went through to find us. Speaking on behalf of all the other wait listers and myself, we are more than happy to wait untill QF can employ us, just keep us on list. We'll wait!
Answer: Thank you for your email and your comments.
Unfortunately, At this stage there are no plans to offer candidates from our current shortlist positions
as Qantas Flight Attendants during this financial year 2003/2004. However, we have ensured that
our shortlisted candidates are kept informed of their status on a regular basis. A courtesy note was
sent to all candidates in April to advise them that their application was still on the shortlist. Since this
time, candidates have had their time extended on the shortlist from 6 months to 12 months and in
some cases from 12 months to 18 months* (dependent on another interview taking place*).
This is being done progressively and is still to be completed.
Thanks
Answered: October 27, 2003
Comments: Now,that the announcement has been made that qantas will be launching a new "no frills" airline next may, I was wondering how can I apply to join this airline as I am currently only casual and need to work full-time. Also, where will it be based? Thanks in advance for your response.
Answer: Thank you for your query,
At this stage the announcement of Qantas' new low cost domestic airline was only announced on the 16th October 2003 and no further information as to the base or flight attendant requirements for the airline have been established. It is anticipated that further information will be available towards the end of the year.
Flight Attendant positions for this new airline, if available in the future will be recruited by the new airline as a company separate from Qantas Airways.
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Answered: October 27, 2003
Comments: Dear HR,
Most of our short list/waiting periods are due to expire in Feb 04. ***** and the Hr team have done a wonderful job of selecting wonderful and talented, not to mention keen candidates to become QF FA's. Please can you do what ever it takes to keep us on your books untill positions become available. It would be such a shame to loose us all, and also loose the good efforts that you all went through to find us. Speaking on behalf of all the other wait listers and myself, we are more than happy to wait untill QF can employ us, just keep us on list. We'll wait!
Answer: Thank you for your email and your comments.
Unfortunately, At this stage there are no plans to offer candidates from our current shortlist positions
as Qantas Flight Attendants during this financial year 2003/2004. However, we have ensured that
our shortlisted candidates are kept informed of their status on a regular basis. A courtesy note was
sent to all candidates in April to advise them that their application was still on the shortlist. Since this
time, candidates have had their time extended on the shortlist from 6 months to 12 months and in
some cases from 12 months to 18 months* (dependent on another interview taking place*).
This is being done progressively and is still to be completed.
Thanks
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GalleyHag,
Like any business in this same situation whether it be the supermarket down the road or Qantas, I should hope that they do look after there existing employees before taking on new recruits. I'm not suggesting that they give current QF F/A's the boot and give us the jobs, because that would be extremely unfair and unprofessional no matter who they are!
Obviously sooner the better, but if it's going to take another couple of years before they use us, then so be it and i'm sure every other shortlister is more than happy to be on the shortlist until it's our turn, but by the sounds of it, at the moment us shortlisters are right at the back of the line behind MAM, regionals etc for positions that don't exist! But as i said, happy to be on the shortlist until it's our turn! Look forward to more info on the LCC as hopefully we have more of a chance getting in sooner with them, it's all a waiting game, fingers crossed for everyone!
thanks for the info GalleyHag, much appreciated.
Like any business in this same situation whether it be the supermarket down the road or Qantas, I should hope that they do look after there existing employees before taking on new recruits. I'm not suggesting that they give current QF F/A's the boot and give us the jobs, because that would be extremely unfair and unprofessional no matter who they are!
Obviously sooner the better, but if it's going to take another couple of years before they use us, then so be it and i'm sure every other shortlister is more than happy to be on the shortlist until it's our turn, but by the sounds of it, at the moment us shortlisters are right at the back of the line behind MAM, regionals etc for positions that don't exist! But as i said, happy to be on the shortlist until it's our turn! Look forward to more info on the LCC as hopefully we have more of a chance getting in sooner with them, it's all a waiting game, fingers crossed for everyone!
thanks for the info GalleyHag, much appreciated.
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Sorry OZcabincrew I totally disagree with your statement of "by the sounds of it, at the moment us shortlisters are right at the back of the line behind MAM, regionals etc for positions that don't exist"!
This is how the recruitment process works..
QF shortlisters are exactly that. Shortlisters for employment with QF directly. They are not on the shortlist for Australian, Impulse/Airconnex, the new QF LCC or any other subsidary airline QF decides to make. Once successful, a shortlister becomes an employee of Qantas in the QF mainline (shorthaul or longhaul) business; be it in a full time, part time, fixed term or casual position.
MAM shortlisters are different. They are on the shortlist for a labour hire company. This labour hire company currently has an agreement with QF mainline shorthaul to provide labour services (ie. people) to operate in the role of Flight Attendant. Once successful in obtaining a position, these people are employees of MAM and are employed on a casual basis.
Regional progression is different again! Regional progression does not occur until external permanent employment occurs, not part time, not casual, not fixed term but permanent. Also, regional progression only occurs once there is permanent employment of a particular number (which I think is 32, not sure). Until regional progression occurs, the employee is employed by Qantaslink and their respective subsidary (ie. Airconnex, Eastern, Sunstate etc.).
Can you see the difference?
It's pretty apparent to me by what has been said on the QF crew website (posted by GH) that there will be no recruitment this financial year for the mainline carrier. In other words the shortlisters will not be offered a position for QF mainline, and regional progression will not occur.
QF may decide to contact the shortlisters and offer them the opportunity to apply for the new LCC, but then again maybe not.
Just hold tight, be patient. The job is worth waiting for
SG
This is how the recruitment process works..
QF shortlisters are exactly that. Shortlisters for employment with QF directly. They are not on the shortlist for Australian, Impulse/Airconnex, the new QF LCC or any other subsidary airline QF decides to make. Once successful, a shortlister becomes an employee of Qantas in the QF mainline (shorthaul or longhaul) business; be it in a full time, part time, fixed term or casual position.
MAM shortlisters are different. They are on the shortlist for a labour hire company. This labour hire company currently has an agreement with QF mainline shorthaul to provide labour services (ie. people) to operate in the role of Flight Attendant. Once successful in obtaining a position, these people are employees of MAM and are employed on a casual basis.
Regional progression is different again! Regional progression does not occur until external permanent employment occurs, not part time, not casual, not fixed term but permanent. Also, regional progression only occurs once there is permanent employment of a particular number (which I think is 32, not sure). Until regional progression occurs, the employee is employed by Qantaslink and their respective subsidary (ie. Airconnex, Eastern, Sunstate etc.).
Can you see the difference?
It's pretty apparent to me by what has been said on the QF crew website (posted by GH) that there will be no recruitment this financial year for the mainline carrier. In other words the shortlisters will not be offered a position for QF mainline, and regional progression will not occur.
QF may decide to contact the shortlisters and offer them the opportunity to apply for the new LCC, but then again maybe not.
Just hold tight, be patient. The job is worth waiting for
SG
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Not long now short-list hopefuls....
Hello...just thought I'd spread some a positive sign of good things to come VERY SOON..
I got a call today(before you yelp with excitement,it was not quite THE call)from QF Recruitment/HR in Sydney to clarify some details and paperwork in my file(I am currently on the MAM short-list).The reason I was told(was expecting to be told nothing!)is that "something is about to happen"and they are going through files on short-list to prepare for a pending intake BUT they are still deciding the ins and outs like what bases,numbers and what division requires who...the reason they are going through them is to make sure everything is up to date so it pays to keep everything up to scratch as they won't put you through training school unless all documents are valid!
So,as they say..."All good things come to those who wait"
As usual we'll be in touch-am sure the posts will come on fast when the calls come through.
Sit tight short-listers,it won't be long now-just avoid the cynicism and be hopeful and positive that one day the wait will be worth it.
Take care and good-luck!
I got a call today(before you yelp with excitement,it was not quite THE call)from QF Recruitment/HR in Sydney to clarify some details and paperwork in my file(I am currently on the MAM short-list).The reason I was told(was expecting to be told nothing!)is that "something is about to happen"and they are going through files on short-list to prepare for a pending intake BUT they are still deciding the ins and outs like what bases,numbers and what division requires who...the reason they are going through them is to make sure everything is up to date so it pays to keep everything up to scratch as they won't put you through training school unless all documents are valid!
So,as they say..."All good things come to those who wait"
As usual we'll be in touch-am sure the posts will come on fast when the calls come through.
Sit tight short-listers,it won't be long now-just avoid the cynicism and be hopeful and positive that one day the wait will be worth it.
Take care and good-luck!
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Fingers crossed that QF HR are not just looking at MAM shortlisters, but as per previous posts, the rumours are that MAM shortlisters will be used to fill positions and will be called up through Dec etc. Fingers crossed for all QF shortlisters, but good to hear you have some positive activity Wing 8, well done!
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Does anyone have a phone number or address for HR?
I'm on the short list & my Senior first aid expires end of december and I want to let them know that i'm booked into do another one so i will be current! I'd hate for that to make me miss out on something!!
cheers
ct
I'm on the short list & my Senior first aid expires end of december and I want to let them know that i'm booked into do another one so i will be current! I'd hate for that to make me miss out on something!!
cheers
ct