LRPilot,

Someone just forwarded this link to me. Looks reasonably up-to-date:

VistaJet pilot jobs, payscales and entry requirements.

One question for RedTree and others - what happened to the data related to the Lear 85 order? I thought I saw 11 Lear 85s on the "ordered" fleet portion of the page and it has been deleted. Does this mean VistaJet is not ordering the Lear 85 for shorter charter segments (just focusing on long haul bizjets)? Are the Lears still coming?

Cheers

Hi Iver,
thank you for the link.
You have a PM

Wow. Better not show that link to management at my company, they'll start wanting to cut our pay.:{

Not having a go at VJ in any way, but those salaries on PPJN are very low compared to industry standards for GLEX :confused:. Are they correct or do they need to be updated??

Very, very low, but it seems to be the Austrian way, unfortunately for everybody.

Hi Iver, Yes, the Lear 85's are still coming, once Bombardier completes testing and places the model into production, I believe we'll see them towards 2014.

world tour
 

Anyone have any anecdotes about the VistaJet’s Bombardier Global 6000 world tour, currently underway? The Eastern half of the world, anyway. MEBA on Tuesday, Riyadh on Wednesday, probably back to London today, the starting point. I'm sure it wasn't just a sales trip but also a test flight to check facilities and accomodation is places like Almaty, Vladivostok, Ulan Bator and other stops, including a couple in India. There must be a few stories to be told.:p

Red Tree, eventually they will be caught doing illegal charters out of China and Hong Kong, they should be very careful whose toes they step on in Asia.

B200Drvr, I cannot understand such slanderous comments?? VistaJet has never, and will never be involved in illegal charters:

VistaJet and Beijing Airlines Partner for Charter in China | Aviation International News

RedTree, people are bashing on Vista the same way they were bashing on Netjets 8 years ago.; " What? you are going to this outfit ? blablablabla.." in the meantime they were the first to send resume in, and miserably fail the selection process, hence the anger.
People working in companies that could not achieve what Mr Flohr has done by himself are obviously envious and cannot imagine that somebody succeed where they failed.
After the expansion time will come a "plateau", then people will start to say that after all, it was not a good company, blablabla...and whatever or wherever the company will be in 5 or 10 years from now, you will always find someone who knows better about aviation then the people whom are actually doing the aviation.
So T&C, can be an endless discussion, not good enough? please do not send your resume...this is it ! It is like people applying at RYR, or EZ , they know what to expect no ?
Congratulation to your company, it is growing during these troubled times and if there is some happy people within, this is great; if the unhappy people are leaving, that is even better.
Enjoy every drop of it.. Life is short ! :)

Because ordering $4b of aircraft at once totally worked for NetJets.

Your argument is completely undermined by the fact that (the last time I checked) Flohr doesn't have Buffet's money.

I'm still a sceptic.

Money buys time... nothing else. If you have less money you just need to be better...There is a lot of successful stories which started without a lot of money. There is a lot of enormous crashes which started with a lot of money.

Future will tell; but it is very annoying having the same trolls over and over again, bashing about a company that is not closing...
Business goes up and down, if you are lucky enough to ride the proper wave, you will never see any troubled waters, if not... you need to paddle..

Redtree, "letter of understanding" and "eventually" and yet they are currently doing charter work on OE registered aircraft in the region, furthermore, A China AOC does not cover Hong Kong!

Yep they still get away with charter out of HK! Saying that every man and his dog doing FAA part 135 out of Hong Kong, CAD does not mind.:ugh::ugh:

the pay scale is 50,000 Euros / year for FO and 100,000 Euro / year for Captain. You pay for your own tax, housing and uniform laundry........ if you are a TRE you get $250 Euros / day during the training only.....

This is the contract as of 2013.

Anyone knows if Vista jet moved all OCC department from Salitzburg to Malta ?
tks
SH

Also interested in this... :cool:

Not yet.....

Soon.

On top of basic are there any per diems? What UK gateways have they?

As usual you get per diems for any day away from your base when on duty. On top of your salary. Tax free per diems. The amount seems to be european standard, not much.
UK getaways...few of them: London, Manchester, Birmingham, Edinburgh, inverness ... UK getaways are favored by the company in the moment ...

Any news on upcoming assesments?

Also, any update on OCC move?
(it was supposed to be November originally)

A few questions....
 

What's the latest news with hiring at Vistajet?

Are newhires being directed more to certain fleets (i.e., CL605, CL850, L60XR or Global) vs. others these days? Are newhires getting seats in the Global or are they tending to start on other aircraft and later move to the Global?

What about moving from fleet to fleet? Is that easy to do after a seat-lock or do they expect you to stay on one fleet (from FO to Capt on that fleet type)? Obviously that big order for Globals means more seats in that aircraft in the future.

Lastly, what's the latest about minimum days off per month at Vistajet?

Cheers for any updates (PMs also welcome). :ok:

Vistajet Interview
 

Hello folks,

I have an upcoming interview with Vistajet. I was hoping somebody might be able to tell me what to expect please??? what are the questions on the written tests, what kind of scenarios in the sim etc etc??

Please PM me

Many thanks in advance

I've asked this before, but with recent delays in the programme, I thought it was worth asking again. Do Vistajet still plan to get the Lear 85? Or will it focus on the bigger, longhaul jets like the CL605 and Global 6000/7000/8000?

According to PPJN there is no mention of the Lear 85 (although I admit not the best source of updated information):

FleetCurrent:6 x LR60, 1 x CL604, 11 x CL605, 6 x CL850, 3 x XRS, 2 x Global 6000 26/Sep/12 Orders:56 Bombardier Global (25x5000/25x6000/6x8000) and options for 86 additional jets 28/Nov/12

Some answers, from an insider, as requested:

- yes, they are now saving tax in malta, office now "officially open"

- lot's of new hires around, even more coming, stealing the old guys jobs on the Globals(because they are scared that all the old guys will run after they get the rating, happened a few times already in the younger history of VJS :E)

- all new aircraft and all globals are Malta registered. As far as I know the CL 605's will follow soon(but not sure if that is a fact). The 850's stay registered in Austria(propably to have a a bit more serious AOC then that one from Malta - and Austro Control has not really the best name between european authorities)

- new order has just been anounced, now we get the CL350's as replacement for the Lear 60. Start of phasing in(and out) - 2014.

That's the latest facts.

Is Vista a good employer? Hard to say, depends from where you come from. If you are used to some kind of standard and nice treatment(especially from some non flight ops departments)then not. Crewplanning and OPS became are really nice bunch of people because most of crewplanning did not make the move to Malta and there are now all new hires).
Why do I say that? I have been around Vista already for a while - the new brush (Nick) is brushing not so bad, unfortunately he is not a very honest guy and does not take critic of any kind very well(well , that what most managers have in common ;) ).

Examples? Ask him something he dosen't like and he will never come back to you. If you meet again and you ask the same question he will behave like he never heard that from you. Same with his "assistant", the new FOM, Sander.

All new hires are now on the "famous" Malta contract. That opens the door for tax fraud. Was not possible on an old German, Swiss or Austrian contract.

All "old" contract are not getting any benefits(pay rise, inflation correction, Loss of license, additional insurance, etc.), just the Malta ones get that.
Lesson learned: Never be on an "old" contract with Vista(so, don't stick around there to long) as there will be always a "new" contract and the guys being loyal to the company long enough get f****d by Mr.Nick or someone who will take over his job as he climbs in the Vista career ladder(moved already from FOM to Accountable Manager). Of course the new contract is worse then the old one, they need to save money for buying more aircraft.
Just try to stay on your old, not very big salary for 5 years and more without ever getting a rise... Frustrating.

Some guys(most from far abroad or the island) are quiet happy on the new contract. Why? Simple - some don't pay tax on this contract(again, not possible to do that on the good old ones) or they create a company with only themself inside and hire himself(or herself) to Vista as a contractor. That's nothing else then fraud(my humble opinion), but at least they make Vista work for themself.

A big part of the crews(mainly the ones being longer in the company) are not that happy. But what to do in times of a never ending crisis.

To sum it up: If you are without a job, go for it.

If you are happy at your current job and just not that happy about your pay - stay away from Vista.

If you are young, without experience worth to mention, like to see the world or try to join the office in Malta to have party for some years - yeah, go for it. As a pilot you will get your promotion soon(as long as you shut up), and soon you might check your old captain on a linecheck and a bit later on the simulator. Key element is to play along, don't be critic(especially not anything what lies in the responsibility of Nick) and you will do fine.
And of course - always be prepared for a "new" contract :ok:

vjs, do you have more details about the new contract?

Roster and salary would be interesting...

New contract is 17/13. 13 off includes 4 days of holidays. Not pretty sure, but I think as well 2 days of LD+(which is more or less Standby even the company never calls it so) are included in your 13 off.

No holidays on top. Pay is , according my opinion, below industry standard. New contracts lost 35 days of holidays compared to old contracts, no big payrise to equalize that.
I am aware that holidays are not standard in our business - however, with all the other downturns that was the only nice thing in the company(well, as well the (low) pay was always on time).
You get 10.000 Euros bonus if you are able to survive 5 years in Vista, loss of license, yearly payrise IF they like you during your anual appraisal - this all is just valid for new contracts.

Hope I could help.

@vjs,

is the LOL a lump sum payment or monthly payments until a certain age? And what sums are we talking about?

Thanx

Vjs, thanks for your update!

What about hiring? Any chance for non rated in the near future?

@wondering, sorry, on old contract, don't know exact details. Will ask one of my new collegues about LOL and come back. May take a while... Nothing great for sure. I just heard some guys pay on top, so basic coverage must be very basic :E(i like word plays).

@McMax - companies like Vista are always hiring. They are expanding and continuously loosing people. So, give it a shot. But lots of applications (i heard once a rumor of 1000 applications) with HR. Very bad times indeed.

I can think of worse ways for young, single people with few obligations to spend a few years than flying a Global/605/350 worldwide... It could be fantastic in terms of interesting travel and great aviaiton learning experience (especially if you get a Global type out of it). :ok:

Hopefully terms/conditions at VJ improve as more Globals and 350s arrive because otherwise pilot recruitment and certainly retention could be a big (and expensive) issue over time....

Before commenting what is fantastic and what isn't, could you please confirm whether you are actually a professional pilot or not, Iver - I have no problem with reading stuff from SLF, provided it isn't purporting to be from someone it isn't. You have commented or asked questions in pprune about employment terms at practically every airline and operator under the sun, and many people have spent time to reply to those, assuming you to be a pilot - but mostly your posts have the insight of an aviation enthusiast rather than someone who does this for a living.

Hey Joe,

Yes I am both a professional pilot and an aviation enthusiast. But I do not need to justify my comments to you or anyone else. You do not know me or my interests. I am at the early point in my career and not yet jaded - unlike so many old farts on this board. Instead of criticizing others, how about you move along to other threads?

VistaJet, like other operators I am reviewing, is an option for me because I am early in my career. I am at a career experience point where I can now actively pursue options - or wait for better. But that is my business - not yours or others. I am certainly no expert on any of these topics, but reapectfully, if you don't like my comments, you can always ignore my posts or move to another topic.

Now, back to VistaJet....

Well amongst your many questions, I see stuff like asking about rosters for EK 777 Captains, Cargolux etc, and the such-like, all of which are hardly relevant for you! Anyway, now I know you are a low time ATPL, I am happy to answer your questions in that vein.

Not a criticism btw - just your posts are somewhat of multiple personality!

Iver

You said "Yes I am both a professional pilot and an aviation enthusiast"

Can I ask, where are you from, who do you work for, what do you fly ?????????

Been reading your post on here for a while and ou never seem to give anything away, so lets be having you. Who is the real Iver ???

Black Pudding,

Certainly - if you also provide me your bank records and your credit card numbers. I'd also like a full description of your family members and their jobs and their aspirations while you are at it. I want full details - you can PM everything to me if you like.

How about your focus on aviation (since this is an aviation-oriented website) instead of wasting everyone's time with your snooping?

I don't give much away either. :oh: We all have our reasons for pseudo-anonymously wasting our time in front of a screen.
After all, this is the Internet, where men are men, women are also men, and children are FBI agents. :ok:

I don´t know how vista is going on but just 4 days ago I spotted his senior vice president leaving a business card on the drivers side window of a red maserati parked at Nice GA terminal....Pizza hut?? Come on, they must be desperate to get clients doing that. By the way, I have the business card. it was my client.