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The initial recruitment page says that the last three log book pages are required but when attaching documents there isn't a section for these attachments. Are these requested once there is a positive reply from HR or are you actually meant to include these in the initial application? Cheers!
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Application Form
Hi
Can anyone tell me what happens when you submit your online application form. When I hit the "Send Button" it doesn't appear to do anything and then after about 20 - 30 seconds some of the entries I have made on the form vanish eg for instance total hours will vanish or some of the attached forms (license / medical) will need to be attached again. Can anyone tell me what happens after you hit send - does it say anything like the application form has been submitted successfully. Thanks |
Couldn't find the link to upload the logbook pages so I guess they will ask for them at a later stage maybe...
Regarding the application process once you submit it all came blank with no confirmation whatsoever.... Looks like that's how it is set since you got the same results.... |
Thanks - its just a shame it's not more obvious that it's gone through.
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In my life i have learned to pay attention to the signs that pop up along the way.
So if i came across such problems i would ask myselve : Do i really want to go there ? |
There is a confirmation page coming up if you have completed the application page successfully. If not it takes you back to the main page again and in red shows you were you have to refill data. If you manage to do it correctly you will get a message saying thank you for the application. Try a different web browser. It can be some fancy code in the background that is blocked with some browsers and others not. It's a common problem for many online databases.
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Cheers Moonwalker for clarifying that - I will try a different web browser
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Thank you for the info, tried again and got the received application message. I used Firefox this time....
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Ello All
Hi
Can anyone who has been interviewed explain more about the process, ie the SIM and level of tech Q's? And where do you pay Tax ? for instance if you were based in the UK ? Cheers Spam |
Did anyone get any replies from Vistajet?
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Joe,
Things have changed quite substantially over the last 2 years - or so it would appear, based on your experience vs mine. Interviews are being scheduled for March/April for FO positions on the 60, 605 and 850. Whether all invited parties have had their telephone interviews yet - have no clue, but we should be taking around 10-12 this time around, rumour has it - looking at around 20-26 in 2012 altogether. |
Joe,
With you on you view on Vista Jet. Bunch of amateurs, at least back then, that is. They waste my time and money when they had me going down to Furstenfeldbrucke or whatever to do a FS 2004 sim flight and play some group games etc. You passed - Mr. Ambs our Accountable Manager will contact you soon.. Yeah right.. as you said 2 years later.. Still no news from Mr. Ambs ;-) Not impressed :p |
Mr. Ambs semi-retired just after your interview 2 years ago - so that may be one reason why he never contacted you and nobody else bothered... another reason you were not contacted, is that they plainly forgot - not the first time such a thing happend - at least back in those times, they did not even know all the names on their payroll - like: Who the :mad: are you ??? .:ugh:
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Ok here it goes, some might say I'm crazy:
I'm currently in based in Hong Kong flying a wide body for the last 7 years. Still FO and command probably still 6 years away. I'm getting sick of Hong Kong and don't really enjoy flying for my company. I'm sick of the training in this company. I'm sick of the constant night flying. I had one to many jet lags. I'm sick of the management in this company. I'm sick of the lack of perspective. I'm sick of most the people I fly with as they are completely full of themselves. I can continue the list for quite a while, but you get the drift. So now I don't just want to go back to a different airline in Europe but try something else. As I started my career on a small Learjet I got some experience in the executive aviation and I liked it. So my question is: Can I join Vista Jet as a Direct Entry Captain? I have around 9000 hours with 4000 wide body on international operations and about 3000 hours command on turboprops. I don't care which airplane, actually would prefer the smaller ones since they can't fly that long. I've seen long haul and big jet's, don't need that anymore. How are direct entry captains accepted in VJ? It would be a big time salary cut, but money is not everything and I want to have a job which I like and not hate plus I would like to go back to Europe. How's that roster? Do you get a block on/off? How is your time when on organized? 24h on call or do you get some sort of plan. Of course I know there will be changes, but so do I have now. Any advise would be great. Thanks! |
The only way to find out is to apply, bearing in mind, that you will need a current TR which you are going to end up paying for.
There was a report in this forum a while ago (search the achieves-it may be worth the read) by a user with >12000hrs time, that did not get the job and considered the whole assessment a big waste of his time. But I think nothing beats checking the whole thing out yourself - maybe you will find things different from your perspective. |
That's funny, prop-pilot...
...given that a) I haven't paid for the TR, and b) I wasn't rated on any of VJS aircraft when I joined... ...the only explanation must be that this is the new and improved Legacy, cleverly disguised as a Bombardier product :D |
Ok - sorry I was unaware of that double standard except I do know of one case for sure, where a 3 year surety bond via your bank was Vista's method of guarantee for the first TR for candidates with low or no jet experience. So if you left earlier, you would still end up losing a per rata sum for the cost of the rating. No idea what would apply to highly experienced candidates though.
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Propellerpilot,
Nope - you suggested that candidates would end up paying for the TR, you made no mention of the bank guarantee or other non-monetary instruments. The only way a new joiner "would" end up paying was if he/she left before the bond was up, but I guess that's fair? I do suspect that VJS have many misdoings in their past, but from what I can see it's a very professional outfit and have no complaints so far. So move on, most people that have had bad experiences with other companies have left that behind them. Again, apart from one cabin crew, I have seen no-one here that have actually been employed by VJS and had reason to slag it off - but many people that have been frustrated by a recruitment process that clearly did not proceed in a successful or competent manner, whatever the cause for that may have been. |
@El Commandante
Vistajet does ocassionally hire direct entry captains, but they try to limit it as much as possible, as they try to upgrade from within. Schedule is 17/13, and they are trying their best to stick to it. They do offer typeratings if you are the right applicant. A 3 year bond is required. |
@empty cruise: no need telling me to move on - I moved right past them - so never applied personally. I have a next of kin that worked for them for a few years a while back - being aware that that information is dated by now - so it is irrelevant.
I do not feel like the information I just posted sounds anything like I have issues with this company. A guy asked a question here and I gave an honest answer to the best of my limited knowledge and I still think the best advice for the gentleman to find out the answers to his questions, is to apply for a job and talk to the people at VJ directly. |
Bases / Gateways
Hi!
Thanks a lot for all the useful info. Really appreciated. Would anyone be kind enough to list the bases / gateways they're using at the moment? I have been lead to believe that it can be an agreement with the company, but a list of actual options would be great. Thanks in advance |
Freelance
Hello.
Please, does anyone know if Vista Jet use freelance pilots on their Challenger fleet? Thanks in advance. |
Could someone working for Vistajet advise what the workload is like, both in terms of hours and sectors? :confused:
Ideally in the form of an average figure per 17 day tour and per year. |
I just read an interesting article from March 27 that they are "in a tie-up" with Air China to expand in the Chines market. The article also mentions that their fleet will double to 60 aircraft by 2015.
We are almost half way through 2012 now so that gives them about 2.5 years to get another 30 aircraft online....4 pilots per aircraft? That's 120 new pilots, plus extra to cover for people that are leaving, over the next 30 or so months. CP |
China is calling... It might be psooible that VJS then hires locals instead of European pilots. They then can avoid "interrupting" rosters e.g. pilot changes and "high salaries" .... what do you think?
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They are already looking for Russian pilots ...
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Given that China is a net importer of qualifies (experienced) pilots, that seems a tad unlikely, don't you think?
Next we'll be selling sand in the Sahara :ugh: |
"They are already looking for Russian pilots ... "
Yeeees, thatīs the first step! |
News on VJS
Great, someone in another PPRune forum said:
"Maybe a beautiful fleet but an ugly management http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/censored.gif !!!!!!" Right on man! Very true...love it! Crews are still 95% perfect. Like in life, rest represents some streamlined asshole with no guts. BUT: Most of the 95% are highly demotivated, because of the mentioned "ugly management". Things changed rapidly last 12 month. A lot, and I mean a lot, new CHs are being employed. 80% are from the magical Island (by now a standing term at VJ). Why? They really accept ridiculous contracts. On their 5-day inprocessing course in FAB they also learn for the fist time: - Uniform cleaning on your own. - Handbag, Stockings, etc..also your duty. - Never turn your Blackberry off during rotation. So guess how stress-free their crew rest nights are, when Messenger and Email is ringing all night ;-) - The new Hostesses are the BEST. Even though lots of them have never seen an airplane from the jumpseat before. - etc.. Old contracts (Germans and Austrians) are kicked out, hence they are too expensive. And criticize a bit more.The outstanding Catering Team is somewhat doing a job like Scientology. Well, actually all VJ departements are good at this. Therefore lots of old knowledgeable girls are leaving. Very sad, as they knew how it works. New CHs get 1400 Euro/month in the first 6 month. Then a bit more. Donīt forget: Mostly they are doing more than 17 days on. And without post compensation (longer Off period etc). Just like any other employee. For the pilots there is no difference. TF (everyone knows I guess..) is a big fan of England, London, etc..So not only a vast majority of English pilots are being employed. They also jump right at key positions like Trainingsmanager, Flight Safety, (Dep)-Fleet Chief, etc..If you are not British or donīt have a proceeding airport starting with EG...? Get lost! Money is cut everywhere. Crews are happy to stay at Holiday Inn now. Shuttle buses have to be used, a telephone budget has been introduced. You go beyond 150 Euro/month with your phone bill? Well, you better have a solid excuse or pay the rest yourself. HR offers to deduct it straight from your pay. So, no worries. Internet in Hotels is only acceptable if no Business Center or Lobby WiFi available. Breakfast? Well, if your Captain cheats the Hotel Bill, youīll get it. Otherwise a hungry day starts. Forget about Crew Meals! Very nice is the introduction of the famous "Crew Meal Box". Each Crewmember is allowed to purchase cheap food for 10 Euro per 17 days rotation. If you then ask for more, guess what the answer is: F.... off! Aircrafts are getting older. The original concept of "not older than 2 years" is obsolete. More and more Maintenance issues due to this. Proceedings are mostly an adventure: You always (alllllwaaaays) get the cheapest travel option. Means: If you can save 30 Euro on the ticket, Crewplanning accepts a proceeding of 12 hours instead of 4 hours with a (possible) direct connection. Upgrades Right to Left on Lear60 is pretty much impossible, as they have 14-15 Captains already. Perhaps the old Copilots get an offer for 850 or Global. But: No PIC! Upgrades 605 have been possible, but only for fast career track pilots (FCT). If you donīt share TFs vision, make suggestions, use fair critique, ask for vacation, etc: You are NOT a FCT pilot! Hence: NO Upgrade! Others are passing left and right. And guess which proceeding airport they all have? Exactly: EG....something! Upgrades Global: Not very likely. Even though new ones arrive (next 6 or so aircraft are all said to be BD700), old ones leave. So future is unchanged. Also, the COP that came from L60 or 605 without prior PIC rating will need to go back to 605 or 850 for PIC before being allowed to be PIC on Global. Guess how big that chance is? By the way: New contract also means: You donīt have vacation anymore. Well, you do, but you agree upon signing to take them within your Off days exclusively. If you have family and would like 14 or more days for some package vacation, forget it! 13 MAX! Have fun... Some 8 pilots on 605 have left so far this year. And about 6 or more are to follow in 2012. They actually meet at pretty much all Interviews from Bosch, AeroLogic, Imperial Jet (yes, even there!), DCA, Emirates, etc.. Most of them just wait for the best opportunity to leave. As far as I know half a dozen pilots are using a laywer from VC in order to get their rights. This laywer is well known to VJ, as they have had court cases in the past. VJ never won a single one of them! Overall guys: Situation is pretty bad. And getting worse daily. The only positive thing worth mentioning is: Your payment is always on time. But: If thatīs all you need to be happy, go ahead and send your CV. The english community is waiting just for YOU! |
I hear what you are saying but whats up with all the b*^%Ģ&g about the Brits?! Should VJ only hire Austrian guys? Swiss? Or whats the "right" nationality?
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Its Me Great, someone in another PPRuNe forum said: "Maybe a beautiful fleet but an ugly management http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/censored.gif !!!!!!" Right on man! Very true...love it! Crews are still 95% perfect. Like in life, rest represents some streamlined asshole with no guts. BUT: Most of the 95% are highly demotivated, because of the mentioned "ugly management". Things changed rapidly last 12 month. A lot, and I mean a lot, new CHs are being employed. 80% are from the magical Island (by now a standing term at VJ). Why? They really accept ridiculous contracts. On their 5-day inprocessing course in FAB they also learn for the fist time: Uniform cleaning on your own. Handbag, Stockings, etc..also your duty. - Never turn your Blackberry off during rotation. So guess how stress-free their crew rest nights are, when Messenger and Email is ringing all night ;) The new Hostesses are the BEST. Even though lots of them have never seen an airplane from the jumpseat before. etc.. Old contracts (Germans and Austrians) are kicked out, hence they are too expensive. And criticize a bit more.The outstanding Catering Team is somewhat doing a job like Scientology. Well, actually all VJ departements are good at this. Therefore lots of old knowledgeable girls are leaving. Very sad, as they knew how it works. New CHs get 1400 Euro/month in the first 6 month. Then a bit more. Donīt forget: Mostly they are doing more than 17 days on. And without post compensation (longer Off period etc). Just like any other employee. For the pilots there is no difference. TF (everyone knows I guess..) is a big fan of England, London, etc..So not only a vast majority of English pilots are being employed. They also jump right at key positions like Trainingsmanager, Flight Safety, (Dep)-Fleet Chief, etc..If you are not British or donīt have a proceeding airport starting with EG...? Get lost! Money is cut everywhere. Crews are happy to stay at Holiday Inn now. Shuttle buses have to be used, a telephone budget has been introduced. You go beyond 150 Euro/month with your phone bill? Well, you better have a solid excuse or pay the rest yourself. HR offers to deduct it straight from your pay. So, no worries. Internet in Hotels is only acceptable if no Business Center or Lobby WiFi available. Breakfast? Well, if your Captain cheats the Hotel Bill, youīll get it. Otherwise a hungry day starts. Forget about Crew Meals! Very nice is the introduction of the famous "Crew Meal Box". Each Crewmember is allowed to purchase cheap food for 10 Euro per 17 days rotation. If you then ask for more, guess what the answer is: F.... off! Aircrafts are getting older. The original concept of "not older than 2 years" is obsolete. More and more Maintenance issues due to this. Proceedings are mostly an adventure: You always (alllllwaaaays) get the cheapest travel option. Means: If you can save 30 Euro on the ticket, Crewplanning accepts a proceeding of 12 hours instead of 4 hours with a (possible) direct connection. Upgrades Right to Left on Lear60 is pretty much impossible, as they have 14-15 Captains already. Perhaps the old Copilots get an offer for 850 or Global. But: No PIC! Upgrades 605 have been possible, but only for fast career track pilots (FCT). If you donīt share TFs vision, make suggestions, use fair critique, ask for vacation, etc: You are NOT a FCT pilot! Hence: NO Upgrade! Others are passing left and right. And guess which proceeding airport they all have? Exactly: EG....something! Upgrades Global: Not very likely. Even though new ones arrive (next 6 or so aircraft are all said to be BD700), old ones leave. So future is unchanged. Also, the COP that came from L60 or 605 without prior PIC rating will need to go back to 605 or 850 for PIC before being allowed to be PIC on Global. Guess how big that chance is? By the way: New contract also means: You donīt have vacation anymore. Well, you do, but you agree upon signing to take them within your Off days exclusively. If you have family and would like 14 or more days for some package vacation, forget it! 13 MAX! Have fun... Some 8 pilots on 605 have left so far this year. And about 6 or more are to follow in 2012. They actually meet at pretty much all Interviews from Bosch, AeroLogic, Imperial Jet (yes, even there!), DCA, Emirates, etc.. Most of them just wait for the best opportunity to leave. As far as I know half a dozen pilots are using a laywer from VC in order to get their rights. This laywer is well known to VJ, as they have had court cases in the past. VJ never won a single one of them! Overall guys: Situation is pretty bad. And getting worse daily. The only positive thing worth mentioning is: Your payment is always on time. But: If thatīs all you need to be happy, go ahead and send your CV. The english community is waiting just for YOU! |
I had an interview with them 2 weeks ago in SLZ. Seriously, stay away, many people leaving the company but many more will leave soon, only Bristish guys will stay as they love those shi tty old hotels, crappy food (have you ever read a book on Bristish cuisine?) and bad salaries. Well, they live on an Island, what do you expect from islanders?
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I had an interview with them 2 weeks ago in SLZ. Seriously, stay away, many people leaving the company but many more will leave soon, only Bristish guys will stay as they love those shi tty old hotels, crappy food (have you ever read a book on Bristish cuisine?) and bad salaries. Well, they live on an Island, what do you expect from islanders? DK (non-Brit, happy to proceed from EG...,LE...,ED...,LP...etc,etc) :ok: |
@ Above the clouds...
...yeah definitely you are right and about 50 to 60 Germans and Austrians are wrong! How did that work again with the ghost driver? One? 1000! ...Hahahaha... Lemme guess: Your Proceeding Airport starts with EG... Hahaha..your one of a kind... |
Hey yeah.... how about we start bashing each other on here re. who sleeps in what hotel and has wifi. Me thinks you folks need a CRM refresher again.
Who cares if you're a Brit, German or Austrian - Ts & Cs are apparently going down the drain and neither one should gladly accept that. Then again there'll always be one behind you waiting to take your seat for less benefits - sad. By the way - I don't moan much, yet am Austrian. I agree some of my fellow citizens have a tendency to complain though.... glad I'm here in Suisse. :E How about we play nice again... and no, I'm not from VJ. |
'It's me' - you are clearly misinformed on many MANY different levels. Maybe if you put aside your own anger and ego you'd realise that:
The Training Manager is German, the Safety Manager is Danish and 3 of 4 Fleet Chiefs are German; the other is Italian, not a 'Brit'. You complain that you can't get upgraded? Maybe it's down to your poor attitude rather than your Nationality..... |
I had an interview with them 2 weeks ago in SLZ. Seriously, stay away, many people leaving the company but many more will leave soon, only Bristish guys will stay as they love those shi tty old hotels, crappy food (have you ever read a book on Bristish cuisine?) and bad salaries. Well, they live on an Island, what do you expect from islanders? |
Man - this discussion is an embarrassment, i.e: grow up guys.
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and maybe those from EG..? airports are better at the job than you are Hope we will find out one day. |
British crappy hotels and horrible food
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