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Does anyone know how many new aircraft will be coming to NetJets Europe in 2023 and if they will be hiring EU crew again soon?

Globally Challenged
So, a NJE Captain is earning 300K Euro? Is that what you´re saying above?
NJE have an usual steep pay increase from F/O pay to Captain pay, if the Skipper receives 300K Euro and a 3.5 year F/O 138K Euro. Well above double pay!
It´s not important, I´m just a bit confused, since in July this year stated your own F/O pay as per below quote:

"Globally Challenged"
"...My tax return for 2021-22 was £138k gross for around 350 block hours and 207 duty days in the RHS of the Phenom having been in the company for 3.5 years..."

Yes that is what I'm saying. We have a few guys on our fleet in the LHS who also do huge amounts of extended days (paid at a higher rate than FO) and there is a tiered productivity bonus where the first 100 hours isn't rewarded but scales up from there. My colleague on my last tour was on target to earn around 330-350k euro having flown over 600 hours but he is probably in the top 5 earners in the company and barely sees the inside of his own house. I am happy to work much less but for a still reasonable salary for the amount of time I'm away.

The LHS basic salary is 127k euros so you can see how much of our total package is based on the amount you choose to turn up and be productive.

The 300k is for LHS, right?

any ideas about RHS small jet for around 600hrs?

Not much less - the productivity pay is the same for both seats but does vary between fleets with the smallest fleet having the largest factor to the productivity.

Productivity for 600hrs RHS on a Phenom is €77625 (paid in Feb payroll)

Salaries were detailed further up this thread.

Yep, so you could find yourself as a 15-year Captain on a Global doing no extra work and making no more than a Phenom Copilot in their first year. Interesting, huh?

You can make a lot of money at NJE IF you fly extra days, sell back your vacation, don't take any vacation in the summer, don't want your roster at the normal time, forego your 6/5 roster etc. Not necessarily all of the above. But the more the "better". But of course, there are no guarantees that the extra work will be available. It's mostly up to the company how much you end up flying and as a result how much money you end up making. Just keep in mind: If you just want to work the number of days you are contracted for, like your 6/5 or 7/6 roster, published as per the normal CBA publication dates, take a couple of weeks of vacation in the summer then you will not be flying 600 hours and not be making the kind of money mentioned above. Not even close. Once you are a third-year captain, your salary will never go up again, except Inflation correction, for the rest of your career. That's how the CBA is currently written. In fact, pay will go down every time you move to a nicer aircraft as productivity pay is highest on the least desirable fleet and lowest on the large cabin jets. Does that sound like a great place to be for a long and rewarding career?

People seem to stay long I was told.

Some recently hired haven't stayed long, I'm told. Probably easier for them to leave than it is for many who have been at NJE a long time.

They have been captains with Emirates and suddenly got called back, I do understand. It is too tempting, the large jet, the money and the other goodies. But most have stayed with us, despite being recalled by the sandbox-companies: they want to have a life without jetlag and without getting raped by their rosters.

Yes. On a large jet you have cabin crew who usually make your life easier. You have a nice, large flightdeck, maybe a crew rest area. You will be warm in winter and stay cool in summer. If you are on a Phenom or on an XLS, you have to work harder. It is justified that they make money, since many of those colleagues will never ever get to taste the comfort of a large cabin jet. I have been on a large cabin jet since early in my career at NJE and I am still grateful for being lucky in this way. Making more than 200k a year is not bad. I don't mind if others make more. What's your problem? If you want more more money, bid for a small cabin jet.

Yes, most people who join the company will stay until the end. Our package has improved dramatically since late 2020, so even those miserable people who are there for the money only, get their stash of cash.

NJE went from paying the small fleets the least, then paying the same for every fleet to paying the most to those on the smallest jets. Personally I liked it best when we all made the same. Seniority would then determine which fleet one would be able to successfully bid for. I'm just not a big fan of the choices we have been having to make in recent years:Increasing pay or a nice aircraft? Increasing pay or quality of life? It's now either or. The biggest "losers" are, relatively speaking, the most senior guys who want a nice aircraft and good quality of life. Their earning potential is A LOT less than that of those who will do almost anything for money. That's just how I see it. It clearly works for others. I just think some perspective is needed when numbers like 200-300k plus are thrown around. Even a senior large cabin captain cannot count on making 200k. Granted, even 150k is a lot of money and more than most people will ever get. It's the principle I have a bit of a problem with. I'm happy enough with the money I make. To me quality of life is more important than money but I do pay a very big price for that. These days I could probably double my salary but choose not to. I just think variable pay has become too big a part of the money we can make. If I was young and had choices, NJE would probably no longer be my first choice

I am all in for seniority. But you also know that the company will never have a large enough number of big aircraft to give every (interested/willing) pilot from the smaller fleets a chance to fly them. To retain people and to keep them happy on the smaller birds, incentives have to be used. I am also rather on a large aircraft for the comfort and easier work life and I accept the fact that I am earning a bit less than others. Actually, I am happy with it, it's great for them!

As I wrote before, I fly a large cabin aircraft and I made a lot of money this year, I did 550 hours already. Had I done only an average of 450 hours, my productivity bonus would have been 34k (more than double the old seniority bonus), thus the total would have been in the range 175k. That's not too bad. However, I did TBP-light (FW204, no vacation, 1 month roster publication) and with the hours I am well above 200k. But of course lots of boring ping-pong stuff between Paris, London, Nice and Rome. You cannot have it all.

The guys on the smaller fleets can increase their productivity bonus by 50% percent. And to make a salary&bonus of 300k you need to live on the plane. Neither you, nor I want this. High salaries come at a price.

Does no vacation mean no annual leave at all this year or no days that you asked for? So company assigning your annual leave days?

It usually means no vacation during the Summer peak months.

As redsnail wrote, it means only a limited number of vacation days taken in the months from June until September (including). To be eligible for the extra summer bonus, you do not need to alter your roster. This year I elected to work 4 days more and had a stable 6-4-pattern throughout the summer. Next year, I have NOT taken any additional working days (and will still be eligible for the summer bonus by taking no vacation), so I do expect a regular rostering pattern of 6-5.

At the end of the day it all comes down to time at home with what means the most (to most) in life and the least away (at work) and having some fun at the same time - and a great mix thereof. Guys a NJ(E) do work (earn) a lot of flying hours to get to these numbers, compared to most us in "large" cabing Private Jet ops (management company or not). We meet those pay numbers flying 75H a year and that´s of course not including the Extras - but not with a great roster like the one at NJE. I´m on a 4 wk on / 4 wk off rotation - and that´s not fantastic (but of course subject to personal circumstances). I think NJE is a great place to go if your a young bloke that want to fly for a living and enjoy the full environment of aviation.

Hello!

received week+ ago an email that there will be information about if one is being forwarded to the third stage of selection, did anyone receive the decision yet?

thanks!

Hello i have a question about the taxes.

So i guess you all get paid AFTER deduction of social contribution and taxes. Where (what country)does Netjet pay those taxes and social contribution?

greets

That almost entirely depends on what country you live in. You will pay social taxes in the country in which you are based. Depending on the tax agreement between that country and Portugal will dictate where your income tax is paid and how much. If your base is the UK, all your tax is paid there.

NOT YET......Happy 2023

Is anyone able to share when the next round of recruitment might take place?

Many thanks