We were going into frankfurt last night and low vis procedures were in force. Wonder how one can fly VFR in those conditions.

Yes. But have you tried to get an airport slot there recently? On short notice maybe? At seven in the evening on a weekday? In a private aircraft?

Why on earth would anyone fly to EDFE with a C750? :ugh:

Sad but true, unfortunately. And the bad news is: it ain't going to improve in either EDDM or the new Berlin airport when they close down EDDT.

But should that motivate one to seriously consider EDFE in a C750? Definitely not the right airplane for that airfield. :ugh:

crew?
 

Anyone got any info re the crew? I have a very unpleasant nagging feeling....

:(

EDDF is too crowded and EDFE is only 10 km away from EDDF.

To install ILS the runway has to be extended by 270 meters (currently 1,400-by-25-metre)

An ILS can't even then be installed as EDDF is too close and there is no space to legally design IFR procedures to EDFE until a few rules are changed.

Anyway, with the weather during the time of accident (EDFE 011750Z AUTO 03003KT //// // /// 08/07 Q1025) it wasn't even good enough for a CAT I ILS, nevermind RNAV or other IFR procedures. And to fly VFR in that kind of weather, well....

First hull loss of a 750, let's hope they didn't die for a stupid reason like some in this thread suggest (IFR -> VFR transition in insufficient conditions).

What are the minima for a non precision approach?

Depends on a lot of factors. In Egelsbach they probably would be very close to the german VFR minima in class G airspace under which they very operating anyway: 1500m visibility, clear of clouds and not below 500ft GND unless taking off or landing.

The slashes in the Metar replacing the values for visibility and clouds stand for "cannot be determined" which can mean anything. We will have to wait for reports from other pilots and witnesses on the ground what the met conditions were like at the time of the accident.

captjns:
What are the minima for a non precision approach?

There is no instrument approach in Egelsbach, therefore VFR apply here (NVFR, that is)

Well, EDDF right next to EDFE had at least for some time low vis procedures in progress yesterday evening. The weather in quite a few areas in western germany was pretty unpleasant, very low ceiling if any, heavy mist or fog and so on.

Will this turn out to be yet another pressonilitis in marginal weather (due to commercial pressures) accident?

Things have changed. There is plenty of landing runway capacity in EDDF these days.

The airfield is owned by Netjets and is promoted for exactly this purpose.

Commercial with N registration ? or Private without AOC it wa limit with C525 , it 's a litle bit crazy no??:sad:

Gettheritis?
 

Going around @ Egelsbach is no fun at all, especially not in a Citation. Remember: you had cancelled IFR prior to landing, and Langen Radar has long forgotten about you. Now you find yourself caught in a small cage of airspace, max altitude 1.500ft. (3.500ft, respectively) with only Egelsbach Info, and the big jets lingering only 2000ft. above you.

What do you do?

-Circle and wait for the wx to approve?

-Divert, including a huge workload with Langen Radar, and all the :mad: trouble after landing, because your company/boss/passengers won´t be amused?

-Close you eyes, pray, and try to make it anyway?

not pretty....

Edit: photos removed...too many peeps reading too much into them, besides the press offers more