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Citation 750 down in Egelsbach.

Old 1st Mar 2012, 21:11
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Citation 750 down in Egelsbach.

Around 1900 LT, crashed on final, no final word yet on fate of occupants but looks bleak. Registration confirmed N288CX, out of Linz.

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No IFR-approach available, crew cancelled IFR, continued in marginal VMC conditions and it was already dark. A KingAir crashed at virtually the same place about two years ago in similar conditions.

Sad!
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Old 1st Mar 2012, 21:37
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Unhappy

(German only) report from a local newspaper here including two photos of the crash site.

Business-Jet zerschellt: Mehrere Tote bei Flugzeug-Absturz | Nachrichten | Hessischer Rundfunk | hr-online.de

288CX was literally touring the world, doing multiple RTW flights a year.

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A German newspaper website reports "up to six" people on board, no survivors.Süddeutsche Zeitung
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It really is this repetitive pattern of accidents, same conditions, same story, which make me sad and mad alike.
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http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-fl...ield-edfe.html

A terrible shame, if what seems to be true turns out to be so.
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Forgive me eagle flyer, but what exactly do you mean by "marginal" VMC? The flight conditions were either VMC or they were not, so what precisely is the point you are trying to convey?

Show a bit of respect, don't talk nonsense, and leave the fact finding to people who know aviation terminology - and the correct definitions.
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Old 1st Mar 2012, 22:53
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Cessna Citation X crashed at EDFE

Near Egelsbach / Frankfurt again a business jet crashed on thursday evening during night time VFR approach in foggy weather.

Business-Jet zerschellt: Mehrere Tote bei Flugzeug-Absturz | Nachrichten | Hessischer Rundfunk | hr-online.de
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marˈginal ~ adjective

1 Relating to a margin
2 In or on the margin
3 Minor, subordinate or insignificant, not central, principal or mainstream
4 Barely sufficient
5 Not very relevant

The second definition above seems perfectly relevant and is in common use amongst aviation professionals. I have a feeling eagle flyer knows what he is talking about...

His post was crystal clear to me.
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marginal VMC is even used in wx products such as GAFOR. So wtf is wrong with that? It's perfectly clear what he was saying, yes still VMC but barely so. Marginal VMC.
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Cessna Citation X crashed at EDFE

coming from LOWL. German TV reports 6 deaths.

Business-Jet zerschellt: Mehrere Tote bei Flugzeug-Absturz | Nachrichten | Hessischer Rundfunk | hr-online.de

Number of NOTAMs: 2

EDFE FRANKFURT EGELSBACH

E3383/11 - MEASURED VALUES FOR WIND-DIRECTION/SPEED ARE NOT RELIABLE FOR THR 09. 27 DEC 10:53 2011 UNTIL 25 MAR 23:59 2012 ESTIMATED. CREATED: 27 DEC 10:53 2011


E3326/11 - APPROACHING VFR AIRCRAFT INTENDING TO USE HPA ROUTING YANKEE 1 - YANKEE 2 MAY HAVE TO EXPECT ISOLATED DELAYS DUE TO OTHER HPA AIRCRAFT APPROACHING EGELSBACH AIRFIELD ON SAME ROUTING FROM WITHIN AIRSPACE CHARLIE FRANKFURT. THESE AIRCRAFT ARE PERFORMING A FLIGHT RULE CHANGE FROM IFR TO VFR AND ARE NORMALLY UNDER THE CONTROL OF LANGEN RADAR UNTIL REACHING YANKEE 2. CONTACT EGELSBACH INFO EARLY FOR INFORMATION. 19 DEC 08:03 2011 UNTIL 26 MAR 23:59 2012. CREATED: 19 DEC 08:03 2011
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chubby - don't get a chubby over this. International website with terminology from different countries.

Definition for marginal vfr:

Web definitions:Weather of less than 3,000-foot ceiling and five miles visibility but above the required "1,000 and three.". phlairline.com/aviationglossary.html
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Anyone got registration or operator?
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Three die in German air crash

N2SA
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G IV registered N2SA was involved in an accident last month in the Republic of Congo, according to the NTSB.

Link here: DCA12WA037

I doubt it would be the same aircraft. The article mentioned would have put a file photo from any accident to illustrate... another fine reporter!
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AIRCID N288CX

more details here:
ASN Aircraft accident Cessna 750 Citation X N288CX Egelsbach Airport
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Metar for EDFE/EDDF, 01MAR, 18:00 UTC? Anyone?

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For Metars Look here: ASN Aircraft accident Cessna 750 Citation X N288CX Egelsbach Airport

I can't imagine this accident is weather related as the weather wasn't too bad. And other than the King Air two years ago this aircraft has a ground proximity warning system to prevent the kind of accident that happened to the KA.
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EDFE 011650Z 01005KT 8000 FEW008 09/08 Q1025=
EDFE 011720Z 03003KT 4000 BR FEW008 09/08 Q1025=
EDFE 011750Z AUTO 03003KT //// // /// 08/07 Q1025=
EDFE 011820Z AUTO 06002KT //// R27/P2000N // /// 08/08 Q1025=

EDFE ist UTC +1.

EDDF is really close by, 15 minutes drive. Not worth it, and VFR/night &foggy WX in a X onto a 1166mtr LDA runway or circling a very tight pattern to get the 1400mtr?
I have never flown it but it simply doesnt look like the ideal airplane for that.
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Old 2nd Mar 2012, 09:10
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It was N288CX. The aircraft was flying from Salzburg to Linz to pick up passengers and then planned to go into Egelsbach. Unfortunately it was not the first crash in Egelsbach under a VFR Night Approach and as far as I know the weather was not really good. And if you fly the first time to Egelsbach under VFR Night conditions this can be very tricky
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