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Well, for the narrowest runway (relative to the width of the gear), the 747SP retirement landing at Rand, S Africa would take some beating.
There was a stiff crosswind which made it all the more impressive. Not overly long for a Jumbo either, at 1490m, with an elevation of 5500'. http://www.skypark.org/images/747Rand2.jpg |
Max your so full of crap....I have never seen a Falcon operate out of a 2500 ft field, and I've been doing this along time Well you haven't been around long enough - 7x is an astonishing aircraft. |
Saw this on Youtube. C501 into KCDK, 2355ft/718m.
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TakeTheHighRoad, Max your so full of crap....I have never seen a Falcon operate out of a 2500 ft field, and I've been doing this along times. Runway length 2625 ft. LDA 26 2461 ft LDA 08 2198 ft JetPhotos.Net Photo ŧ HB-IKS (CN: 5042) Air Charter AG Canadair CL-600-2B16 Challenger 601-3A by Pierre. Imbalance, I call BS. You throw around single pilot ops like it's nothing...sorry..and the idiot that departs in a jet with 1000 lbs is beyond stupid...even with a runway three minutes away...a simple closure, a gear problem, quickly turns into an emergency, and you don't have 30 minutes as VFR reserve anyway sitting around at say 5000 feet of alt if that was the 'hop' your talking about. 1000 lbs is 1/4 of a full tank in a cj3 and 1/3 of a full tank in a CJ1. I am not that stupit to put any data in here that I didnīt have checked twice. Mimimum Fuel for this flight according EU Ops is 800 lbs. That includes 30 min final reserve at 3000 ft above alternate, alternate fuel and 5% contigency. The Flight is 10 nm only and 3 Alternates within 20 NM and another 4 within 36 NM. I question a balanced field of 2700 ft, but even so, is that is a private op, or is it charter? If charter, your outside regs...unless your playing that game of private this trip, public that trip. The CJ3 is corporate OPS, the CJ1 was commercial. For Ferry flights we donīt have to add any factor to the afm performance data. The german CAA and also EASA is happy with it as long as there are no Passengers on Board. Imbalance, I call BS. And all said and done...the reason why you would need to fly into a 2700 ft strip given another one is so close by? Can't be fuel, can't be jet maintenance...what reason to 'ferry' into that short strip to take that risk? It was for Jet maintenance. As I said in my first post, Ganderkesee is the head office of Atlas Air Service. the biggest Cessna dealer in germany. For a very long time their only maintenance facility has been at this short airfield. Now they have a workshop at Bremen as well. But sometimes when Bremen is full, you have any Problems that you canīt wait Bremen to accept you, we still have to go to Ganderkesee. Even if everything you say is true, you can call the pilot up and call him a moron for me, because if there is a longer runway close by as you say, so close that justifies departing with only 1000 lbs of fuel, then there was no reason to go into the short runway to begin with, which questions the point of doing it all, questions the judgment which means a) your full of it b) that outfit is full of morons. As long as the AFM says it is save to go, it is Ok for me. I will add my personal Factors and the insurance is happy with it. I operate from a Homebase with 3200 ft runway, VFR, with 2 different Jets and 2 different turboprops. 24 hous a day, 7 days a week. I respect the Airlaw and I know where my limits are. And by the way, I am doing this for 26 years now. It is your choice to avoid this, but donīt tell me what to do or not to do. Inbalance |
Imbalance -
Ok, tell me the name of the Jet Maintenance facility that works on CJs at that 2700 ft airport. A simple link to their website would be fine. |
He did tell you........ As I said in my first post, Ganderkesee is the head office of Atlas Air Service. the biggest Cessna dealer in germany.
Atlas Air Service: Ganderkesee ICAO Code: EDWQ ATC Fax: +49 4222 2011 Runway: 836m / 2740ft (Hard) As your claim to aviation fame is that you fly a single pilot Cessna Jet, you appear to know very little about the aircraft :confused::confused: Mutt |
Kanetoads, why don't you go back to your Flightsim and let the real pilots get on with a great thread here. Put the shovel down and stop licking that toad.
As always a decent thread gets spoiled by a few 12 year old playstation pilots. |
To put some cream on the cake, Atlas has sold more Citations than any other dealer in Europe and maybe the world. The name to know was Michael Laux (now retired)
"I" (aka my bosses) bought 2 Citations there. One had to go to Ganderkesee for title change, new callsign and some minor mx stuff. No issue at all. (since we did that empty) Kanetoad isa troll and shouldnīt be fed any more. Most likely he is the reincarnation of SSG, as Mutt pointed out in another thread. He feels superior to any other human being in aviation and therefore should be addressed as 'Skygod' - or not at all. BTW, single pilot ops in a CJ/2/3 is not an issue, quite easy actually. Thats why it is approved by authorities all over the world. |
C550 into Turkey Creek in the north of Western Australia , dirt strip . I remember looking back at the town as we departed , covered the place in red dust ( sorry about that) . Also did El questro in the nortern territory in a Beechjet , the supplied airport info said it was longer and wider than it actually was . that was scary . Loose shale as a surface which we didnt know about until it was too late . Learnt some good lesson there .
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I recall a busjet (early model Citation possibly) operating out of Elstree EGTR on more than one occasion - c.650m and with a reasonable slope to boot.
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Bluebeard
Post #5 :ok:
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Just to show the Performance of a CJ3 to the flightsimmers here, I found some videos I made earlier this year.
First one is a normal take off. 2 Passengers 1/2 Tanks. Note that the Runway lights are 40 Meters apart. After 8 Lights, 320 Meter, the Aircraft is airborne: Normal Landing, Max Landing weight. Landing Roll is 800 Meters, or 700 Meter to be correct, because I touched 100 Meters behind the Threshold. I didnīt press on the Brakes to hard, because it wasnīt nessesary. Total Runwaylenght was 1200 Meters. Airport Mönchengladbach (EDLN) Inbalance |
Good account here of landing a Victor K1 at Catterick (3,300' - c 1,000m) for disposal at the then RAF Fire School:
Final flight - XA939 - Tony Cunnane's Life and Times For those unfamiliar with the type the AUW would have been around 115,000 lbs on landing - and no reverse thrust, but a pretty effective brake parachute. I like the bit about the police closing the A1. There was also a Valiant at Catterick when I was there in 1965 which had been flown in when they were withdrawn. |
I'd say this takes skills to beat
Not only is the landing distance pretty short but .........
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Sorry, the above video is a known fake.
How about this video. Beats all posts so far. An IL-62 landing on grass...there is no paved runway. |
So Atlas field is at sea level, no obstructions, big runway...mine is at 3500 ft, one way in, with a dog leg.....just sayin.
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mine is at 3500 ft, one way in, with a dog leg.....just sayin. What if ....... I am not shure what to think about you. Moron, Hero or just a Troll. Come on, tell us your real name. Is it Orwille, Willbure or Chuck ? Inbalance |
Inbalance - In all honestly, it doesn't matter what you think. Not out of some existential apathetic philosophy, but because in my eyes, you don't rate.
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Is this guy for real???... Lighten up dude, you will give yourself a heart attack
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I agree...Inbalance you need to chill.
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