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Old 21st Sep 2021, 12:15
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The disadvantage of joining Netjets, the way i see it: yes lifestyle and pay is great but if you are getting unemployed, no matter what the reason is, you are left behind with a XLS or Phenom rating which basically useless. Time on Boeing/Airbus is way to go. Perhaps you will find another gig in GA but never as good as netjets.
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Old 21st Sep 2021, 12:34
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Originally Posted by FlightDetent View Post
Personal observation: No new joiner receives the top salary advertised before signing. Nowhere, never. By the time you get around to it the contract would have changed (multiple times) or the company pulls any strings available to avoid creating an expensive asset (shiny new rating they need you to have, e.g.).
Not at Netjets. The starting salary is fully transparent: https://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Netjets_Europe

F/Os start with a gross salary of 58,500 EUR per year. In the 3rd year they jump immediately to 66,300 EUR. Should you be unlucky and still be on the right seat after 10 years, you'll get promoted to Senior F/O and earn a new basic salary of 79,700 EUR per year. When you upgrade, your new salary will be 107,000 EUR. After two years, you'll jump to 114,850 EUR.

Important: Each year all salaries automatically increase by the EU28 inflation index of the previous year, this can be something between 0.7% and 3.x%, this year it might be a bit more. That's why we do not have static salary tables, but only starting salaries by rank. For technical or layout reasons, the tables at PPJN are a bit misleading. The starting salaries for each step are accurate, but all further years up the same rank are not, because nobody knows what the inflation correction will be during those years.

On top of your basic salary you will still earn a bonus that is based on block hours per year. Depending on your fleet and how many hours you fly, this can go beyond 30,000 EUR, in the future it will be even more. I'd say that the average pilot will get something between 15,000 and 25,000 EUR extra per year.
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Old 21st Sep 2021, 12:38
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Originally Posted by happyjack View Post
I hope it has changed, I really do. I want to think I was there at the wrong time with the wrong people but was it?
It has changed. Although, last year I was on the receiving end of "the mistake", but luckily we all were re-employed quickly in our former ranks, salaries, vacation-entitlements etc.. Still, it was an "interesting" experience that I do not wish to anyone.

Basically, in this modern world, there's nothing for sure anymore. What we certainly do know is, that this segment of aviation is booming again and that we are really, really busy and that we are getting paid for it. Despite the hiccup in 2020, I am still proud to still work with all the fine colleagues at Netjets - this is the essence. After a few months, a plane is just a plane. It's the people that you have to get along with.
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Old 21st Sep 2021, 12:45
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Online assessment ?

Hi
Does any body know what the 10 min online assessment is about. You received a link after you have filled the application?
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Old 21st Sep 2021, 13:56
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EatMyShorts.
It may have changed but they still refuse to own up to their past errors. I am still waiting for the tens of thousands of euros they owe me in court costs plus, most importantly, an apology?
That will never come, I know as not only did I challenge them, I was the first to win against them after many other failed attempts from others. They hate that.
I can accept when I am wrong, unfortunately NJE cannot.
I still know colleages at NJE that sing it's praises.........right up until they get shafted! Then it's the same story.

If you can keep your nose clean and survive NJE it can be a resonable job. A career??? No way. It will bite you. They will drop you when it is convenient, no question.


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Old 21st Sep 2021, 14:49
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Time to command

I see mentions here of 5-10 years to command?

Current demographics show that this is closer to 15 years.

Just trying to paint an honest picture for those thinking of applying, who will be staring at the RHS of a light jet for the foreseeable future.
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Old 21st Sep 2021, 16:49
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No, 5-10 years is reasonable. Quite possibly on the lower side of that estimate. There are a LOT of retirements coming up in that time frame. Of course, if the whole world falls over with some crisis of some sort then it’s anyone’s guess but that goes without saying I think.
edit to add ; it also depends a lot on where in the 90 new hires you are. The first newbies taken on of course will be more senior and therefore several years closer to upgrade compared to the guys at the back.
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Old 21st Sep 2021, 19:39
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Hey guys

I applied as well to Netjets, but still a bit confused about the monthly average salary after tax (maybe around 3.000€ net?), per diems/adicional pay and bonus based on block hours...

I have lost my job due to Covid and now i got a freelance job to fly wide body abroad but the conditions are really awful.
I logged in 6000hrs on comercial jet, but still FO for having being jumping from one place to another and at this time of my life with 40+ years old, i am definitely now looking for some stability and a secure job at home base, social security and taxes payed, and with good perspectives for the future.

I really wouldn't mind to fly business jet, this life style of 6/5 and a reasonable pay with a permanent contract? Suits me perfectly!

So i am very interested in this oportunity, anyone else in the same situation?

Would be nice to have some thoughts and feedbacks from all of you.
PM are welcome as well

Safe flights and thanks in advance for your replies!

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Old 21st Sep 2021, 20:01
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Hello unhappyjack,
Originally Posted by happyjack View Post
EatMyShorts.
It may have changed but they still refuse to own up to their past errors. I am still waiting for the tens of thousands of euros they owe me in court costs plus, most importantly, an apology?
That will never come, I know as not only did I challenge them, I was the first to win against them after many other failed attempts from others. They hate that.
I can accept when I am wrong, unfortunately NJE cannot.
I still know colleages at NJE that sing it's praises.........right up until they get shafted! Then it's the same story.

If you can keep your nose clean and survive NJE it can be a resonable job. A career??? No way. It will bite you. They will drop you when it is convenient, no question.
I am sorry that you have made such a bad experience with Netjets. This is NOT the norm, though! It may be true that the company does not like to admit to mistakes that former-former-former-former-former-former-former managers have made, but as I have joined the company in 2004 and have seen many management teams come and go, me and 100 to 200 of other very senior pilots will tell you that such management-style is gone. We made our careers, most became captains rather quickly. Some f***ed up repeatedly and had to leave or became victims of the world financial crisis that bit us hard. That is tough and there is nothing to defend the company for doing wrong at times.

2020 was another black spot, yes. As I wrote, I was affected by it as well, but this is not due to the company, but due to management and the guy was axed more than a year ago. Is everything fine now? No. Are many things better now? Yes.
Surely, this company MAY react stupidly in times of crisis, we got the proof for this. But the Netjets that you experienced in 2002 is a completely different company from what it is now. The union is stronger than it was before, in your days at Netjets it did not exist at all.

You can lose your job in any company in times of crisis! I'm rather here than almost anywhere else. Airlines, pffffft, what a boring life. And you have to work.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 06:48
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Originally Posted by Boomless View Post
Hey guys

I applied as well to Netjets, but still a bit confused about the monthly average salary after tax (maybe around 3.000€ net?), per diems/adicional pay and bonus based on block hours...

I have lost my job due to Covid and now i got a freelance job to fly wide body abroad but the conditions are really awful.
I logged in 6000hrs on comercial jet, but still FO for having being jumping from one place to another and at this time of my life with 40+ years old, i am definitely now looking for some stability and a secure job at home base, social security and taxes payed, and with good perspectives for the future.

I really wouldn't mind to fly business jet, this life style of 6/5 and a reasonable pay with a permanent contract? Suits me perfectly!

So i am very interested in this oportunity, anyone else in the same situation?

Would be nice to have some thoughts and feedbacks from all of you.
PM are welcome as well

Safe flights and thanks in advance for your replies!
I have been in the company around 3 years so I’m not on the SFO salary given above.

My net this month was slightly over £6000 in the RHS (though this is inflated somewhat due to volunteering for the seasonal tour based pay). Oh - also I got something like €650 in per diems (less than EU based colleagues as UK crews are partially taxed on per diems now) on top of that.

At the end of the year I will get a performance bonus for the same hours I was already rewarded for from the sessional block hour pay. Double dipping 👍👍

You will not be struggling to feed your family here.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 08:01
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Hi all,

Thank you for this valuable information.

What about SOPs and salfety culture? I would appreciate to learn more for instance on automation policy?

Cheers,
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 09:06
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Originally Posted by Globally Challenged View Post
I have been in the company around 3 years so I’m not on the SFO salary given above.

My net this month was slightly over £6000 in the RHS (though this is inflated somewhat due to volunteering for the seasonal tour based pay). Oh - also I got something like €650 in per diems (less than EU based colleagues as UK crews are partially taxed on per diems now) on top of that.

At the end of the year I will get a performance bonus for the same hours I was already rewarded for from the sessional block hour pay. Double dipping 👍👍

You will not be struggling to feed your family here.
Hi Globally Challenged

Thanks for the infos

Sounds like a good salary indeed
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 10:40
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Originally Posted by Globally Challenged View Post
I have been in the company around 3 years so I’m not on the SFO salary given above.

My net this month was slightly over £6000 in the RHS (though this is inflated somewhat due to volunteering for the seasonal tour based pay). Oh - also I got something like €650 in per diems (less than EU based colleagues as UK crews are partially taxed on per diems now) on top of that.

At the end of the year I will get a performance bonus for the same hours I was already rewarded for from the sessional block hour pay. Double dipping 👍👍

You will not be struggling to feed your family here.
Well must be heavily inflated by the seasonal tour based pay. Year three salary should give you around 3600 pounds in your hand plus per diems if I calculated it correct? It's great that you can take home 6000 pounds in a month but what is interesting is what your base salary is. Who knows how much over time there will be in the future? Plus I presume you need to come in on your off days to get that type of money?
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 11:01
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Originally Posted by Moonwalker View Post
Well must be heavily inflated by the seasonal tour based pay. Year three salary should give you around 3600 pounds in your hand plus per diems if I calculated it correct? It's great that you can take home 6000 pounds in a month but what is interesting is what your base salary is. Who knows how much over time there will be in the future? Plus I presume you need to come in on your off days to get that type of money?
OFF is OFF at NetJets. You can volunteer to work extended days (I didn’t). I have volunteered to adjust my contracted days from 200 to 208 which lifts my basic salary to €69615. My roster during the summer has been 6 on 4 off.

Tour based pay has been good for me (it depends on what variety of options your volunteered for and also depends greatly on your gateway - being London based means I usually fly for the full 6 days where other locations can be airlining on days 1 and 6). This month it was €4995 before tax for the TBP.

My personal TBP rate based on vacation and roster changes I volunteered for is €143.33 per hour over a given threshold based on length of tour. (Those hours will be rewarded again at the end of the year with a tiered hourly rate)

One of our SFOs nets €10k per month - but he is almost never home … horses for courses here as you can also opt for flexible working to reduce your work days way down
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 11:20
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Originally Posted by Raw15 View Post
Hi all,

Thank you for this valuable information.

What about SOPs and salfety culture? I would appreciate to learn more for instance on automation policy?

Cheers,
SOPs are similar to airline.

Safety culture is superb - never any questions asked if you are fatigued etc or you need to ground an aircraft (it’s recommended to speak to the company first as they may have a solution ). Very unusual in my experience working for other GA operators where oddly enough, faults only ever get found back at base 😉🧐🧐🧐

We are encouraged to disengage automatics when workload / situation allows. Visual approaches are not at all unusual for us.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 12:23
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Originally Posted by Globally Challenged View Post
SOPs are similar to airline.

Safety culture is superb - never any questions asked if you are fatigued etc or you need to ground an aircraft (it’s recommended to speak to the company first as they may have a solution ). Very unusual in my experience working for other GA operators where oddly enough, faults only ever get found back at base 😉🧐🧐🧐

We are encouraged to disengage automatics when workload / situation allows. Visual approaches are not at all unusual for us.
Good to hear that, thank you !
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 23:07
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Hi, any hint on how to prepare for the “Panel exercise“, and the “Online interview”?
Competency/Strength-based questions?

Thanks.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 05:44
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Hi all,

Very interesting topics are discussed here and I thank all of you who give us an insight of the Netjets conditions.

I as well am waiting for a response of the company on this August FO vacancy.

anyone has had a call or email yet as a response to the application?
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 10:42
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Originally Posted by PontiusPilotus View Post
Hi all,

Very interesting topics are discussed here and I thank all of you who give us an insight of the Netjets conditions.

I as well am waiting for a response of the company on this August FO vacancy.

anyone has had a call or email yet as a response to the application?
Nothing yet. Though I can imagine with >1100 applications it may be a slightly slower than anticipated process.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 11:25
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Originally Posted by 5strypes View Post
Nothing yet. Though I can imagine with >1100 applications it may be a slightly slower than anticipated process.
Surprised it's not more. Vistajet received more than 4000 when they opened the doors and NJ offers much better T&C.
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