Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Biz Jets, Ag Flying, GA etc.
Reload this Page >

Pilatus pc12- how short is too short a field?

Biz Jets, Ag Flying, GA etc. The place for discussion of issues related to corporate, Ag and GA aviation. If you're a professional pilot and don't fly for the airlines then try here.

Pilatus pc12- how short is too short a field?

Old 11th Sep 2020, 11:42
  #1 (permalink)  

PPRuNe Engineering Dept Apprentice
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Deep in the boglands of Western Ireland
Posts: 293
Pilatus pc12- how short is too short a field?

Just a thought experiment, after I saw the Irish Air Corps take delivery of 3 aircraft in addition to 1 already in service.

there’s a number of 600m paved airstrips around the country, (mostly on some islands) currently served by Aer Arann in BN-2s. I understand the PC-12 has an 800m strip requirement, but I wonder if, with weight restrictions, could that be brought back?

Might be able to make the case for pushing out at least one airfield to 800, spae available to do it, but you’d wonder if getting the fuel off would allow the plane in without it.

anyways, what’s the chances of getting a PC12ng onto and off of a 600m strip? Paved and grass?
nosefirsteverytime is offline  
Old 11th Sep 2020, 19:40
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 122
PC12’s land regularly at St Mary’s, Isles of Scilly, from London etc, on its 32/14 runway which is less than 700m
Captain-Random is offline  
Old 11th Sep 2020, 21:58
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: London
Age: 39
Posts: 2
Originally Posted by Captain-Random View Post
PC12’s land regularly at St Mary’s, Isles of Scilly, from London etc, on its 32/14 runway which is less than 700m
St Mary’s has a pretty hefty gradient though.

wes..
wezgulf3 is offline  
Old 12th Sep 2020, 12:38
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Switzerland
Age: 51
Posts: 383
Seal level and ISA, you can take 10‘000lbs off for a take-off distance 699 meters, which is just 400lbs shy of max gross on a PC12 NGX. Mind you this is total take-off distance over the required screen height NCO.... if your rules make you consider accelerate-and-stop, then you need to unload a few hundred pounds... by the way the PC-12 performance calculator, based on the certified AFM, is available for download in the app store, or refer to www.pilatus-aircraft.com.
FlyMD is offline  
Old 12th Sep 2020, 13:33
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: cowtown
Posts: 119
What ground run is required ?
What obstacles are near ?
Day or Night ?
Vasis or Papi's ?
Minimum ground run operations require extreme prejudice and discipline .
Let your guard down and you could be chewing trees and rocks .
I will not let the FO land on short strips until they have proven that they can land the aircraft with precision on the chosen practice spot on a normal runway first . Practice makes it easy .
Train hard , fight easy .
fitliker is offline  
Old 12th Sep 2020, 18:12
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 122
Originally Posted by wezgulf3 View Post
St Mary’s has a pretty hefty gradient though.

wes..

hefty gradient downhill on 14
Captain-Random is offline  
Old 13th Sep 2020, 15:24
  #7 (permalink)  

PPRuNe Engineering Dept Apprentice
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Deep in the boglands of Western Ireland
Posts: 293
Originally Posted by FlyMD View Post
Seal level and ISA, you can take 10‘000lbs off for a take-off distance 699 meters, which is just 400lbs shy of max gross on a PC12 NGX. Mind you this is total take-off distance over the required screen height NCO.... if your rules make you consider accelerate-and-stop, then you need to unload a few hundred pounds... by the way the PC-12 performance calculator, based on the certified AFM, is available for download in the app store, or refer to www.pilatus-aircraft.com.
thanks for that, very detailed app as I can see, though I think my maths is a bit rusty....

Originally Posted by fitliker View Post
What ground run is required ?
What obstacles are near ?
Day or Night ?
Vasis or Papi's ?
Minimum ground run operations require extreme prejudice and discipline .
Let your guard down and you could be chewing trees and rocks .
I will not let the FO land on short strips until they have proven that they can land the aircraft with precision on the chosen practice spot on a normal runway first . Practice makes it easy .
Train hard , fight easy .
The good news is the crowd that have the PC 12, the Irish Air Corps, are military, so they’re all about that kind of training. As professional a set of aviators as you can get in Ireland.
nosefirsteverytime is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.