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Greenville,SC Falcon 50 crash

Old 6th Oct 2018, 00:02
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Originally Posted by pilotbear View Post
Seems to be about 40kts too fast to me ON the runway. And regarding 91/135? If you knew the truth about what goes on in these organisations you would live in a bunker undergound. There are NOT enough FAA inspectors or FISDO to cope. Each inspector has many, many organisations to oversee and favors are rife to decrease the workload...Sorry, but it is completely true so don't come back with your whinging.
Apparently it was Part 91, unless the pax say different. ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID=20180927X41915&AKey=1&RType =HTML&IType=FA
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 00:11
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Follow up.

Anti skid placarded INOP. Fire handles pulled, but engines ran for a long time.
NTSB https://media.wspa.com/nxs-wspatv-me...969_ver1.0.pdf

https://www.greenvilleonline.com/sto...rt/1536494002/

https://www.wyff4.com/article/ntsb-r...crash/23622677
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 00:25
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Very strange that if the fire handles for #2 and #3 engines were pulled that those engines apparently ran at full power for 20 minutes after the crash and #1 ran for 40 minutes!?

Perhaps the fire/rescue team pulled the two fire handles?

Also I would think that planing a flight into a rather small airport with a not so long runway with an inoperative anti skid system was perhaps not a wise idea.
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 01:17
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Is it true or not that after you pull fire handles you must turn them and hold for several seconds? And would non-pilot rescue people know this?

And would a cockpit separated from body, the controls still function?
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 03:31
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Is it true or not that after you pull fire handles you must turn them and hold for several seconds? And would non-pilot rescue people know this?

And would a cockpit separated from body, the controls still function?
I don't know the Falcon 50 but on my aircraft, pulling the fire handle not only shut down the engine by closing the fuel valve, it also closes the hydraulic valve, the bleed valves, shuts off the generators and arms the fire bottle squids.

If you then proceed to turn the fire handle the fire extinguishing agent is then released in that engine.
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 11:00
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Fire handles pulled, but engines ran for a long time.
Well with the cockpit separated from the fuselage I am not surprised if some systems didnt work..

And regarding 91/135? If you knew the truth about what goes on in these organisations you would live in a bunker undergound.
Combination of a growing market while there is a growing shortage means that it is getting scary out there... Fully agree
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Old 6th Oct 2018, 14:06
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Falcon 50 only requires a pull of the fire handles,(fuel shut off), no turning, separate switch to fire the bottles. If you shut down the engines via the fire bottles, not the fuel shut off levers on the power levers, it takes 20-30 seconds for the engines to deplete the fuel lines and shut down normally.

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Old 6th Oct 2018, 21:58
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Sorry, I meant if you shut down the engines via the fire handles, not the fire bottles.

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Old 7th Oct 2018, 23:14
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You’d think a car would give better protection in a crash than an aircraft, but not always. In New York State today a stretched limousine ran an intersection at high speed, went over an embankment, and crashed into a restaurant parking lot. Two pedestrians in the lot were killed, and all eighteen (that’s right, eighteen) passengers in the limo are dead. My guess is that the brakes worked but the driver didn’t.https://www.houstonchronicle.com/new...h-13288015.php
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 10:50
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 11:14
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Not much to say... Total Mickey Mouse operation.
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 11:54
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Yeah that’s a Florida 134.5 for you.
Anybody pursuing criminal charges against the owner/operator ?
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 19:11
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Originally Posted by B2N2 View Post
.Anybody pursuing criminal charges against the owner/operator ?
Let's hope so. Nobody involved in this operation should be allowed to come within a mile of an aeroplane ever again.

Absolutely incredible. Paying passengers transported on an aircraft with over 100 known malfunctions, including the brakes. Flown by a crew composed of a "captain" with an SIC typerating only and a co-pilot with a PPL and no instrument rating. One could immediately ask: How is that possible in a country like the United States? But then the accident of D-CMMM in Denmark (https://reports.aviation-safety.net/...J24_D-CMMM.pdf) comes to mind where a Learjet crashed in Denmark. So it shows again that all rules and regulations are only as good as the people who supervise them.

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Old 10th Jun 2020, 19:20
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The real scary thought is how many times this happens and how how often an accident is averted....just barely.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 09:58
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The question rather is how often non-qualified crew operate commercial aircraft that are technically unfit to fly, but nothing happens and nobody investigates. I'd guess that there is a huge number of such flights being operated and those operators who stick to the rules are being checked all the time...
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 18:42
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I'd guess that there is a huge number of such flights being operated and those operators who stick to the rules are being checked all the time...
Hmmm, everytime I was checked by the SAFA dudes, they checked others as well. I have heard also a lot about what the findings by SAFA checkers are, but none ever told me "we pulled a dude without the required licence/rating/medical off a jet the other day". not that this would mean anything, but I personally wouldn´t like to risk it. Hell, I sweated heavily when I discovered that I left my medical at home once - and to get access to a copie isnt that hard. OTOH I´m sort of a pussy, I would not dare to fly an A/C as Captain for which I hold a SIC rating only...
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 10:30
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Europe is different! I have had many SAFA checks over the years since the system was introduced. But in the rest of the world it is very rare. I have never been ramp checked in the US; indeed the only place outside Europe I have been ramp checked was Port Harcourt, Nigeria. And he was looking for a very specific piece of paper!
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 12:27
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His Dudeness,
Europe is different! I have had many SAFA checks over the years since the system was introduced. But in the rest of the world it is very rare. I have never been ramp checked in the US; indeed the only place outside Europe I have been ramp checked was Port Harcourt, Nigeria. And he was looking for a very specific piece of paper!

Did it happen to be green?
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 13:29
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Funny you should ask that... yes.
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Old 12th Jun 2020, 19:16
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Europe is different!
Yeah it is. But EMS´s location is Germany so I assumed....

Never been ramp checked in Africa either and flew only a few flights to/from the states...
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