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Old 1st Mar 2017, 19:22
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Recruitment opened again yesterday, any info on the assessment process?

Thanks
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Old 8th Mar 2017, 16:50
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Why bother applying ? T&C are shit and so is the rest of the company.

Only thing good there is the Pilot workforce, which seems to be true in all the shitty outfits
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Old 24th Sep 2017, 15:10
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Hi all,

Any updates from Vista? A friend of mine applied there now as F/A and its really hard to find some new fresh information.
Anybody has some more info about them.
What we found is they do 17/13 rosters but you stay sometimes longer due to ops needs. Hotels are just low class to average what I heard and in general lots of working. Thanks if you have some more info. Its really appreciated!

Rgds Mike
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Old 24th Sep 2017, 19:30
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Company is like hotels... Low class
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Old 24th Sep 2017, 20:13
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Originally Posted by dan1165 View Post
Company is like hotels... Low class
Thanks Dan,
you have a tiny bit more info?
As I said its really tough to get more recent info as most is from 2014&2015.

Thx
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Old 25th Sep 2017, 13:42
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Do they still give the crew a €30 allowance for crew meals for the 3 of them for the whole tour?

Who doesn't love instant noodles?
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Old 25th Sep 2017, 14:14
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Do they still give the crew a €30 allowance for crew meals for the 3 of them for the whole tour?
If you're referring to the "crew box" kept onboard, then yes. But that's really just to be packed with "emergency" items in case we're really stuck.

In reality, we get crew meals thrown in as standard from quite a few of our main catering suppliers. Plus daily per diems for each crew member, depending on contract and location, but average around £35-40 per day.

What we found is they do 17/13 rosters but you stay sometimes longer due to ops needs.
17/13 correct. Travel on Day 1 and Day 17 so 15 days flying in between. Once in the last 12 months been asked to extend one day at the end of rotation. However, quite often get home one day early provided the replacement crew member has arrived. Also some times on standby at home, full pay but no per diems.

Hotels are just low class to average what I heard and in general lots of working.
Except for minor cities without chain hotels, the lowest class is normally Holiday Inn or equivalent (and I've seen even the likes of Netjets, and Emirates, are staying in Holiday Inn's these days....). Quite often Hilton/Radisson Blu, sometimes even better if you get lucky.
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Old 25th Sep 2017, 15:05
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A majority of the CH are from Emirates ,Etihad,and some from Qatar/Qatari Royal Flight - They are well trained and great to work with !
Normally you do your 17 days and then fly home (to be home on the 17th day) very rarely do you have to extend, then only if you want or agree to?
You do work very hard on all the fleets especially the Globals (30+ Globals), and the hotels do vary. Last rotation I did We stayed in Marriot (Marina del Ray), Crowne Plaza (Dubai), Omni Reorts (Boston), Marriot (Mumbai) - they are not that shabby really ?
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Old 25th Sep 2017, 17:47
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Originally Posted by farmer jo View Post
A majority of the CH are from Emirates ,Etihad,and some from Qatar/Qatari Royal Flight - They are well trained and great to work with !
Normally you do your 17 days and then fly home (to be home on the 17th day) very rarely do you have to extend, then only if you want or agree to?
You do work very hard on all the fleets especially the Globals (30+ Globals), and the hotels do vary. Last rotation I did We stayed in Marriot (Marina del Ray), Crowne Plaza (Dubai), Omni Reorts (Boston), Marriot (Mumbai) - they are not that shabby really ?
Can agree with all of the above. Hilton, Crowne Plaza, Marriott etc seems to be fairly standard these days. Holiday Inn or NH Hotels in Europe is about as bad as it gets. Except Olbia in the middle of July when every other hotel is sold out - you could end up anywhere from a guesthouse to a 5* beach resort!

In 17 days expect to be flying on 13-14 of those - but you wanted this job to fly, not to sit around in hotels on standby, right....? Seems there are some on this thread hellbent on saying something negative whereas I think reality on the line is quite different.

The only thing worth mentioning outside of the "normal" roster is the compulsory CRM, company strategy day and (for flight crew) OPC/LPC's which are during your 13 days off spread throughout the year and normally take up 2-3 days at a time. A bit of a pain in the @rse but the company are fairly good at telling you a long way in advance which months to keep free, so that you at least stand a chance of planning home life in the rest of your 13 day blocks. Much better than my previous company which advertised 6 on 4 off but in reality expected us to be available pretty much the entire time whether you liked it or not.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 21:53
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Vistajet works well for all the austrian guys for a simple reason: due to a loophole in the malta/austria tax agreements they can get away without paying any income taxes.
This way what would normally be a well below average salary becomes all in a sudden acceptable.

How long that will last, nobody knows.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 22:22
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
Vistajet works well for all the austrian guys for a simple reason: due to a loophole in the malta/austria tax agreements they can get away without paying any income taxes.
This way what would normally be a well below average salary becomes all in a sudden acceptable.

How long that will last, nobody knows.
Yes, there has been a strange black hole in Austria/Malta tax agreements for some years, not just for crew salaries but also for aircraft sales.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 23:27
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The only thing worth mentioning outside of the "normal" roster is the compulsory CRM, company strategy day and (for flight crew) OPC/LPC's which are during your 13 days off spread throughout the year and normally take up 2-3 days at a time. A bit of a pain in the @rse but the company are fairly good at telling you a long way in advance which months to keep free, so that you at least stand a chance of planning home life in the rest of your 13 day blocks. Much better than my previous company which advertised 6 on 4 off but in reality expected us to be available pretty much the entire time whether you liked it or not.
Can you tell us something up-to-date re. salaries, per diem, hours/month, etc for both seats in VJ, pal? Or are the figures on PPJN still realistic?

Happy landings

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Old 1st Oct 2017, 19:04
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Originally Posted by papazulu View Post
Can you tell us something up-to-date re. salaries, per diem, hours/month, etc for both seats in VJ, pal? Or are the figures on PPJN still realistic?

Happy landings

PZ
I can confirm that the payscale in PPJN is fairly accurate. However, on a UK contract you are paid at a fixed exchange rate (reviewed twice per year) plus your per diems on top (17 x £35 per day on a UK contract if you fly a whole rotation) and so those EUR figures actually translate to approx the same in GBP as a gross salary. EU bases it's a variable per diem but averages about the same by the end of the month. Ok you need to feed yourself etc but that's the same in any job - and hotel breakfast is normally included plus crew meals from certain airports. Hours wise, I'd say somewhere between 400-500 a year is probably about right. Medicals and basic loss of license insurance paid for by the company, with voluntary top-ups to the insurance if you wish.
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 20:19
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The numbers have not changed.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 09:48
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Lots of "facts" spewed here are utter nonsense. Don't know if that is deliberate or ignorance.
I've been around the block a few times working in very different sectors of aviation as a pilot. Worked for some OK companies as well as for some awful outfits.
Vistajet is neither of those but if I had to categorize them I would put them closer to the first category. Every company has +'s and -'s. So does VistaJet but in my opinion the +'s outweigh the -'s by a good amount.
If anybody is seriously interested in facts about VistaJet rather then innuendo feel free to PM me. I work there for 5 years now and plan to do so for at least a few more.

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Old 27th Oct 2017, 20:42
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Vistajet

Hi folks

Are Vistajet actually recruiting at the moment?

I was wondering if they’d be interested in a current turboprop Captain for a UK regional outfit? Or do they prefer Jet / Bizjet experience?

And what are the chances of direct entry command? That would be nice of course, but totally accept it may be a steep learning curve and would absolutely be fine with the right seat.

Any answers on the above would be fab - thanks in advance!

Abo944 👊🏼
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Old 28th Oct 2017, 09:26
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Originally Posted by ABO944 View Post
Hi folks

Are Vistajet actually recruiting at the moment?

I was wondering if they’d be interested in a current turboprop Captain for a UK regional outfit? Or do they prefer Jet / Bizjet experience?

And what are the chances of direct entry command? That would be nice of course, but totally accept it may be a steep learning curve and would absolutely be fine with the right seat.

Any answers on the above would be fab - thanks in advance!

Abo944 👊🏼
Absolutely zero chance as a Captain, and they prefer bizjet time over airline. They’ve employed many ex airline guys before though.

They also wouldn’t put a TP Captain straight to left seat of a jet.
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 02:57
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I went left seat turboprop to left seat bizjet - no big deal. It was the easiest and most relaxed type rating I've ever done, and dare I say easier than some renewals.
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 08:54
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I went left seat turboprop to left seat bizjet - no big deal. It was the easiest and most relaxed type rating I've ever done, and dare I say easier than some renewals.
Not with Vistajet i’ll bet you didn’t. They just don’t do that.
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 12:45
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Going left seat of a TP to a left seat in a jet is one thing, but going from left seat of a regional anything (jet or TP) to an operation operating world wide where you can get sent to any corner of the world with little to no notice is a completely different animal. You don't just learn the local tricks and procedures world wide flying entails over night.
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