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Private jet crashed at Moscow Airport Vnukovo: 4 killed

Old 23rd Oct 2014, 11:37
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Dude I could not have put that better myself.
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 13:27
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@ His dudeness...

I can read and appreciate the fact that he said "if I repeat If, language was a contributory factor" and I don't want to get into a pissing contest here but...

Perhaps I phrased my question incorrectly.

My point is why bring up the language subject at all?

If the aircraft had been a Canadian, American or English registered, would he have brought up the language issue?
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 14:03
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In the meantime the director general of VKO and his deputy have resigned and a number of other people are suspended and or arrested.

This is a VIP airport and major heads will roll
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 14:06
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I agree the is about to hit the fan!
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 16:40
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Every image I have seen of this incident has no snow, so what was a snow blower doing anywhere near the runway?
I asked the same question to a handler at that airport who was there when the accident happened, the vehicle in question is a multi-purpose vehicle made by Supra that was spraying anti-ice fluid on the taxiways.
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 16:49
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Just saw the news here in Europe... 5 people under arrest while the investigation goes on.

The driver of the snow plow is said to have his blood alcohol level at twice the legal limit.

Also they showed the remains of the aircraft and yes you can still see some snow left over on the ground but most of the snow must have melted away.
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 19:56
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Total crash. Head roll in Russia

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/heads-roll...5.html#kkszTG0
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Old 23rd Oct 2014, 20:05
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Let me tell, you. I, myself landed there on RWY 06 just 10 minutes before it happened.
Lucky me, that the guy was driving around somewhere else at this time. Weather was ok, but quiet foggy with about 600-650m RVR.
But NO snow at all.
No reason at all, that they where driving around with snow plows.
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Old 24th Oct 2014, 04:58
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Originally Posted by Green Guard
Vladimir Martynenko ? Can anybody please compare? Does that name sound more like Russian or Ukrainian or both ?
"-ko" surname could indicate Ukrainian or Belarusian roots, though it is not definitive - e.g. his great-grandfather could be from the Ukraine and the rest of his family tree could be Russian.

A couple of Russian-language online newspapers report his birthplace as Volgograd region (southern Russia). He speaks with no Ukrainian accent.
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Old 24th Oct 2014, 15:01
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It had been snowing quite heavily in the morning.
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Old 24th Oct 2014, 18:00
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The new staff detained in the probe include a trainee air traffic controller who directed the doomed plane, her immediate supervisor and their boss and the head of the department responsible for clearing the runways.
Yep, detain the trainee who was under supervision...only in Russia or China!

Vnukovo airport also said its general director and his deputy had resigned "due to the tragic event" after the management was accused of "criminal negligence" by investigators.However they have not been detained.
Of course not. They are well protected!


The court said Vladimir Martynenko had a blood alcohol content of 0.6 grams of ethanol per litre of blood, compared to the legal limit of zero for driving in Russia.
Would be interested to hear what limits a snowplough driver is required to adhere to. Bet it's not documented in the Snowplough Driver Ops Manual....not that such a document would exist in that mismanaged dump of an airport!
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Old 24th Oct 2014, 20:05
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Here is the release from MAK google translated and lightly edited

• Takeoff from runway 06 was carried out (magnetic heading 58 degrees) at taxiway A11. The distance from the start of take-off to the point of collision with Snow blower ~ 1000 meters. The collision occurred at the intersection of the runways (the so-called "crossing").
• At the time of take-off as the following weather conditions: surface wind 120 ° - 3 m / s; at the beginning of runway 06: visibility - 350m, RVR¹ - 1000m; in the middle of the runway 06: visibility - 1000m, RVR - 2100m; slight drizzle, fog.
• At the time of the event the aircraft was under the control of start dispatcher of "tower". Control of the aircraft was carried out by trainee dispatcher under the supervision of a training controller.
• When issuing a dispatcher clearance to take off the runway was clear. The crew confirmed cleared for takeoff.
• After about 10 seconds after the confirmation by the crew of permission to take off the subsystem monitoring the airfield in the control point "tower" recorded movement of the snow thrower on the left edge of the runway 19 in a southerly direction towards the crossing.
• Neither a Request for permission for crossing the runway by the snowplow nor other communications were recorded on the tower audio recorder between the crew confirmed permission to take off and the accident.
• After ~ 14 seconds after the beginning of the aircraft take-off the crew observed an object, identified by them as "car crossing the road" (a phrase in French). The observation of this object did not cause concern and crew continued the take-off in the usual manner in compliance with standard operating procedures. ~ 14 seconds later the aircraft collided with a snowplow. The crew saw the snowplow just before the collision, after the normal command to lift the nose wheel.
• At the moment of collision with a snowplow the aircraft was in the air, the indicated airspeed was about 134 knots (~ 248 km / h). After the collision began to develop intensively right bank, which led to the collision of the aircraft with the ground.
• Failures in the operation of the aircraft systems and engines prior to the collision with a snowplow have not been identified.
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Old 24th Oct 2014, 21:03
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Very unfortunate and talk about bad timing.
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Those who know Russia and VKO quite well can tell thousand of different stories over there. To resume, ruskies still don´t get it, think like Klingons and alcohol is deep on their standard operation, it´s even on the "how to use snow brush manual"

VKO is one of the most expensive airports in the world, if they find something to charge they will overpriced it 1000%. They have improved a lot since 10 years ago but still don´t get it.

If you remove all western bizjet pilots and get ruskies to do the job you will have 10 accidents daily over there.
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Old 27th Oct 2014, 16:58
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Private jet crashed at Moscow Airport Vnukovo: 4 killed

Promises promises !!! Or lets pray "my job isn't taken away "... ????
Another words, all other airports without gaijin pilots are already closed !?!?
Are they ?
 
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Promises promises !!! Or lets pray "my job isn't taken away "... ????
Another words, all other airports without gaijin pilots are already closed !?!?
Are they ?
What? Could you type that again please...in English!
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 11:03
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Twenty three year old female trainee air traffic controller is the only person who has been formally charged with causing death of the passenger and the crew of this aircraft.

Knowing the Russian justice system's record, god help her.

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Svetlana Krivsun, aircraft controller, charged with causing death of*Christophe de Margerie | Daily Mail Online
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 13:00
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Good that they have a scapegoat now. As to how a trainee, therefore unqualified, is being held liable and not her superiors et al is 'interesting'...
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 14:40
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Unbelievable
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 17:06
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That is what Public Prosecutors everywhere do unfortunately, looking for persons to blame to satisfy the public!

Does someone has the orginal Russian MAK statement reference (or web site ) posted earlier here by Vovachan ?
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