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Private jet crashed at Moscow Airport Vnukovo: 4 killed

Old 21st Oct 2014, 06:35
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French press are reporting that the plane hit a snowplough on the runway. The snowplough driver (who was drunk) survived.
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 07:00
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Do they have ground radar there?

“Some of the main theories being investigated at this time are a mistake by air traffic control and the actions of the snowplow driver. Bad weather conditions and the possibility of a mistake by the pilot will also be considered”
http://rt.com/news/197700-total-plane-crash-driver/
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 07:12
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A drunk Russian snowplough driver.......

Why are those of us who frequent this awful place not surprised?
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 07:17
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There are several companies that provide positional maps for powered ground equipment. They use GPS to show position on the airport and also show movement. The version I know also gives details of type of equipment, drivers name etc etc.
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 07:57
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Why are those of us who frequent this awful place not surprised?
Because you thought it is a safe place, especially since the Russian ground engineers now decide wether you de-ice or nor, naturally not to the benefit of the same company they are employed with....

BTW, you should have been there 20+ years ago, back then it really was awful...
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 08:37
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How very convenient for the Russian authorities to have discovered so quickly that the snow plough driver was drunk!

Report concluded............some poor lamb has been thrown to slaughter to cover up the numerous deficiencies at that dump of an airpport!
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 09:08
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Information of MAK (in Russian):
Falcon 50EX F-GLSA 20.10.2014

FDR and CVR are already in their possession and currently read out. French investigators are on the way and will join the investigation.

Fields of enquiry are (apart from the recorders): ground control and tower recordings, CCTV recordings, radar recordings, weather conditions, condition of aircraft (before and after crash), actions of airport staff, controllers, pilots.
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 10:01
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How very convenient for the Russian authorities to have discovered so quickly that the snow plough driver was drunk!

Report concluded............some poor lamb has been thrown to slaughter to cover up the numerous deficiencies at that dump of an airport!
Yeah. Best to be sceptical about any "news" out of Russia. It might well be true, but we seem to be back in a Soviet- or even Nazi- style era of news management. Would be more credible if the reporter had been murdered since the report.

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Old 21st Oct 2014, 10:02
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BTW, you should have been there 20+ years ago, back then it really was awful...
... which is unfortunately true.

Too early to speculate, but knowing the place I wouldn't be surprised if the reason for this will be established as a failure of one single person. In Russia, it can never be an organization or larger group that takes responsibility for a failure of any kind.

Bear that in mind and be careful out there. Winter and bad weather are coming.
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 10:10
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Video from accident site; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQnVkvr40Uw
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 10:19
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@deefer dog:

Typical conspiracy theory !

It is a fact that test results for alcohol intoxication of survivors who played a role in an accident are quickly available.

This intoxication may or may not be a causal factor.
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 10:31
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Testing the guy who cleared the plow driver out onto the runway would be another thing to do. As well as the testing those who employed and trained them all. Now THAT would be sobering for some who have never been there.
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 10:36
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Russian prosecutors claim the driver of the snowplow which crashed with Total CEO Christophe de Margerie’s jet was drunk. His lawyer, however, says he was completely sober, due to a heart condition preventing him from drinking.
“My client is suffering from an acute heart condition; he does not drink at all and his relatives and friends can testify to that,” Aleksandr Karabanov, the lawyer, said.
“He was sober at the time of the crash,” he also said, adding that a number of lawyers will be involved in Martynenkov’s defense. “We don’t want the blame for the accident to fall on an ordinary man,” he added.
Karabanov also made clear that he will insist on an independent expertise to determine the presence of alcohol in his client's bloodstream.
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 10:56
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BBC quoting the Govt - sounds like a fair summary of the various factors they need to look at


Russia's emergencies ministry said in a statement the accident had involved a Falcon-50 plane shortly before midnight local time (20:00 GMT) on Monday.

"Among the chief versions for what happened, investigators are looking at a mistake by the air traffic controllers and the actions of the driver of the snow plough. Apart from that, they will also check the versions of poor weather conditions and mistake by the crew," said Russia's Investigative Committee, a federal agency that answers to President Putin.


"At the current time, it has already been established that the driver of the snow plough was drunk."



Pictures from the scene show the driver looking shocked, but walking unaided and without any obvious serious injury.


Reports say the visibility at airport was 350m (1,150ft
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 11:14
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I hope the French investigators will take a real good look at the bloodtest and it's results of this snowplough driver.
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 11:40
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Le Figaro:
EN DIRECT - Mort de Margerie : la France perd «un grand capitaine d'industrie»
A "criminal negligence" in causing the accident
The plane crash in which perished the head of French oil giant Total, Christophe de Margerie, the Vnokouvo Moscow airport is due to "criminal negligence" in the direction of the airport, said Tuesday the committee Russian investigation.

"This is not a tragic set of circumstances, but criminal negligence of officials" failed to properly coordinate the work of their employees, the committee said, adding that some members of the management Vnukovo who might try to obstruct the investigation would soon be "suspended from duty."
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 12:51
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And the press just keep on giving (or grasping at straws).

Here RT, that well known yet hardly respected Russian broadcaster, says ... well look at the graphic at 3'52".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmkH3h-tbGk

If I was the owner of this 900, I'd be making a beeline for my rolladeck and 'L' for lawyer ...
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 12:53
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Wow, they are really fast in drawing the conclusions. Crazy fingerpointing?

Did they fully analyze the tapes already in such a short time?
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 18:09
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Very unfortunate.
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Old 21st Oct 2014, 18:39
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I hope the French investigators will take a real good look at the bloodtest and it's results of this snowplough driver
Where is the snow?
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