EU OPS interpretation (German language only, sorry)
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EU OPS interpretation (German language only, sorry)
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What it basically says, that if you are on the way to do a revenue flight, but just positioning. You do not have to apply factors according JAR/OPS-EU/OPS.
These factorizations are only necessary on the actual Flight with Passengers on board !
These factorizations are only necessary on the actual Flight with Passengers on board !
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I'm pretty sure that the original letter of the LBA from which you quote does not contain all those smileys. And yes: Finally an aviation authority that shows a reasonable attitude towards our business and does it's best to make flights possible instead of preventing them.
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And yes: Finally an aviation authority that shows a reasonable attitude towards our business and does it's best to make flights possible instead of preventing them.
@Delta: you think thats bad ?
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@what next: yep, really cool. Super cool, especially when it comes to the 'give and take' part the LBA is really.........
@what next: yep, the smileys were inserted by me, thought that is obvious, you teached me different !
Great that you appreciate the fact that the LBA is reasonable, I would love to think that as well. But unfortunately, the statement is as bad as it could be and totally false regarding EU-OPS !
And well, having said that, not sure if you know.... Flight Duty Limitations in GA in Germany is pretty much: 24/7/365 ! If you had one and a half days off by pure chance -> Voila, thats been your 36h !
@what next: yep, the smileys were inserted by me, thought that is obvious, you teached me different !
Great that you appreciate the fact that the LBA is reasonable, I would love to think that as well. But unfortunately, the statement is as bad as it could be and totally false regarding EU-OPS !
And well, having said that, not sure if you know.... Flight Duty Limitations in GA in Germany is pretty much: 24/7/365 ! If you had one and a half days off by pure chance -> Voila, thats been your 36h !
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...the statement is as bad as it could be and totally false regarding EU-OPS !
I see it like the 90-day-rule: It only says that you must have executed 3 landings in 90 days prior to carrying passengers. Positioning flights and training flights and flights with cargo do not need to observe the 90-day-rule. Why should it be different with landing distance factoring?
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Flight Duty Limitations in GA in Germany is pretty much: 24/7/365
But unfortunately, the statement is as bad as it could be and totally false regarding EU-OPS !
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Would be nice to know his answer if the question would habe been regarding duty time....
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Donīt think that there is much room for interpretation.
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Donīt think that there is much room for interpretation.
I am curious to know Delta12's position in the company. And why he is placing his initial question what to think about the LBA statement, but followed by his conclusions!
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I am curious to know Delta12's position in the company.
This is the official interpretation of the LBA, flight operations department.
As long as neither passengers nor cargo is carried, Ops 1 is not applicable.
Hence no factoring.
As long as neither passengers nor cargo is carried, Ops 1 is not applicable.
Hence no factoring.
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Is this an official published statement or a letter to your company. I would welcome a copy as I know a team who would like to use the derogation to position aircraft in Germany. Can you send me a copy please?
Many thanks
MM
Is this an official published statement or a letter to your company. I would welcome a copy as I know a team who would like to use the derogation to position aircraft in Germany. Can you send me a copy please?
Many thanks
MM
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I hope an admin will close the thread.
To me it is clearly unfair to the competition if interpretations like this are done. If it is totally legal and according EU-OPS, just make it public !
Just my two cents
To me it is clearly unfair to the competition if interpretations like this are done. If it is totally legal and according EU-OPS, just make it public !
Just my two cents
