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Old 25th Aug 2013, 17:46
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Piaggio Avanti

Would anybody experienced in the operation of the P180 be willing to drop me a few lines on what they love/hate about it? Particularly interested in dispatch reliability, nagging problems, ease of service in Europe......

Thanks very much.

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Old 25th Aug 2013, 18:51
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Winkwink:

Try browsing the following threads:

http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-fl...urboprops.html

http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-fl...00-meters.html

http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-fl...io-avante.html

http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-fl...ggio-p180.html

http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-fl...g-piaggio.html

In summary, the Avanti is a sleek, high performance (almost 100kts faster than a King Air) turboprop with a full stand-up cabin which exceeds anything in its class.

On the down side is .. external noise, operating cost and technical support.
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Old 25th Aug 2013, 22:06
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Thanks S. I'll take a look.
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Old 26th Aug 2013, 09:32
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Whatever you do, don't buy one at the moment. The whole Avantair fleet potentially going onto the market will place nearly 50% of the total manufactured fleet looking for new homes. Residual values will tumble like a house of cards. Add to that Piaggio have sold something like 6 new machines in 18 months.
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Old 14th Sep 2013, 19:16
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Hi Guys,

I am also looking at the Avant II. I would appreciate info on the cost of Maintenance,Reliability.
As I plan to operate the aircraft in temps of up to 35 C, is the cooling system able to bring the temps down within a reasonable perod of time?

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Old 14th Sep 2013, 20:18
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As mentioned above, there are various pros and cons associated with the Avanti. If possible take the time to read through the threads linked above.

From a passenger perspective the cabin is spacious and comfortable, fully stand-up, and can maintain near sea-level pressurisation upto FL240.

If you want to bring down the cabin temp prior to the arrival of pax then a portable air conditioning unit can be used in the cabin for 20-30 mins beforehand. Otherwise the environmental control system is highly efficient and at larger airports one can usually make the cabin comfortable during taxi.

Some Avanti news.
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Old 14th Sep 2013, 21:11
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then a portable air conditioning unit can be used in the cabin for 20-30 mins beforehand
Powered by what?
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Old 14th Sep 2013, 22:04
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Is the cooling system bleed air based of and electric Freon system?
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Is the cooling system bleed air based of and electric Freon system?
It's a freon system powered by DC when both generators are online, or GPU.
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Old 16th Sep 2013, 16:26
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Thumbs up

Thanks for the info all. Appreciated.
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Old 17th Sep 2013, 11:41
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Piaggio Avanti II

Actually your stats are incorrect....on the sales line....
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Old 21st Sep 2013, 03:17
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At 35c better worry about oil temp hitting the red on taxi out
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Old 21st Sep 2013, 06:04
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I have zero experience with the Avanti except for peeking into one at Tahoe airport a few months ago, and drooling all over the co-pilots seat. I do love the look and performance of it and it's a bit of a dream machine if I ever win the lottery. However, I do have a some experience with the old Piaggio P136 Royal Gull amphibian, as I've been chasing one for over 5 years. And although they have very little in common (except being pushers), they both share the Piaggio legacy. And I can say this: Piaggio is one of the oldest continuously operated aircraft manufacturers in the world, tracing it's roots uninterrupted back to 1884. The workmanship and engineering in the P136 airframes is rock solid and I'm sure the P180 inherited a lot of that accumulated know how and experience. So, I don't think Piaggio will be going out of business anytime soon.
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Old 21st Sep 2013, 08:08
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Most of noise sensitive airports are working towards a way to ban the Piaggios. They do make an awful noise for the neighborhood. Some did succeed, some plans are coming together in Europe as well. Soon this machine will be able to fly only in Africa, and this will be a relief for a lot of persons. Get a King Air for god sake !!
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Old 21st Sep 2013, 09:11
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Couldn't agree more, they are very noisy externally and not that quiet internally
Get a King Air
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Old 21st Sep 2013, 15:35
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Get a King Air? and enjoy way less internal room, slower, lower, less range, with support from always-about-to-go-bust Beechcraft?!
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Old 21st Sep 2013, 16:49
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King airs will always be there, because there is NO alternative for such short runway/payload capability. Low noise on take off, and list goes on. At the end of the day, there is no mission that an avanti would do that a King Air couldn't; as a result, i will bet that the Avanti will fade while the King Air will maintain or rise.
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Old 21st Sep 2013, 17:57
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They sound different than the King Air's, but no one has yet been able to measure them being louder. On take off, the Avanti has been measured at 81.9 dBA, slightly lower than the Beechcraft King Air at 82.8 dBA. This is below FAA stage 3 noise limits which set a maximum of 89 EPNdB for take off. The square sine wave from the exhaust fools people. There are tons of airplanes more loud, so they won't be able to ban them at any airport unless they also want to ban King Air's.

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Old 21st Sep 2013, 18:54
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First of all , there is no Stage 3 for turboprops..This being said, the Avanti will be banned at some airports, we are working actively to do so, this for the good of everyone under the flight path of this so called airplane.
US of A did it alreadyin some places, we are in the trail for the same.
Nothing personal, just business.
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Old 21st Sep 2013, 20:08
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and enjoy way less internal room, slower, lower, less range, with support from always-about-to-go-bust Beechcraft?!
Mhh, how many Piggies have been sold ? And how many KingAirs ? Guess there is a reason for that...

Even if Beech goes bust, with 5000+ KingAirs sold, there will be support.

The Avanti noise IS terrible. I remember sitting in ATP class not too far from EDDN when the first in Germany - D-IPIA - did traffic patterns. Like a circular saw on steroids....a very annoying noise, not necessarely loud but very destinctive...

BTW, the relevant Chapters of ICAO Annex 16 can to be found in here:

http://www.icao.int/Meetings/Environ...BIP_2_2_jb.pdf

Current small TP are to be as good or better than Chapter 10.....

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