Aerial Work or AOC
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Aerial Work or AOC
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I have seen various posts on the subject of aerial work and have a fairly good understanding of when an AOC is required but the following example I believe is aerial work.
Can anyone advise how this would be classified.
1.Customer
2. Company A Ltd Owns aircraft (CA)
3. Photo Company Ltd Is a Photography Company (PCL)
4. Photographer is a director and employee of PCL
5. Pilot is a commercial pilot self employed not connected with either of the two companies.
Customer commissions Photo Company Ltd (PCL) to take some aerial photos. PCL does not own its own aircraft so rents aircraft from CA. PCL then hires Pilot to fly the aircraft they have rented to take their employee, the photographer, on the aerial photo assignment.
Is this flight aerial work or can it be deemed as AOC.
Thanks in advance.
If you believe one way or another please could you elude as to the reasons and which part of the ANO you might be interpreting.
Thanks in advance
I have seen various posts on the subject of aerial work and have a fairly good understanding of when an AOC is required but the following example I believe is aerial work.
Can anyone advise how this would be classified.
1.Customer
2. Company A Ltd Owns aircraft (CA)
3. Photo Company Ltd Is a Photography Company (PCL)
4. Photographer is a director and employee of PCL
5. Pilot is a commercial pilot self employed not connected with either of the two companies.
Customer commissions Photo Company Ltd (PCL) to take some aerial photos. PCL does not own its own aircraft so rents aircraft from CA. PCL then hires Pilot to fly the aircraft they have rented to take their employee, the photographer, on the aerial photo assignment.
Is this flight aerial work or can it be deemed as AOC.
Thanks in advance.
If you believe one way or another please could you elude as to the reasons and which part of the ANO you might be interpreting.
Thanks in advance
If PCL rents an aircraft from CA then CA must have an AOC. Alternatively, and I stand to be corrected, for aerial work the PCL must own the aircraft and employ all its occupants.
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@Direct Bames Surely if the company renting out the aircraft needs to have an AOC then any bank or aircraft finance leasing company (and flying schools) must / should have an AOC? I do not think they do.
@Steak&Kidney_Pie I was asking yesterday because ) the CAA is not open on a weekend and b. sometimes there are experts on the forum that might help.
@Steak&Kidney_Pie I was asking yesterday because ) the CAA is not open on a weekend and b. sometimes there are experts on the forum that might help.
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I asked caa 8 years ago about the following;
1/ A TV Producer's company rents helicopter and pilot.
2/ He also employs a cameraman.
3/ Task is aerial filming with cameraman, who is deemed crew under "aerial work" regs.
4/But producer directs flight from front seat so is he crew or client and is flight air work or charter?
One dubious suggestion was for the producer to bill the heli company for his labour for work as crew this fee is then added to the charter invoice to the producer's company.
In response, CAA said the regs were imperfectly written and interpretations would need to be tested in court.
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1/ A TV Producer's company rents helicopter and pilot.
2/ He also employs a cameraman.
3/ Task is aerial filming with cameraman, who is deemed crew under "aerial work" regs.
4/But producer directs flight from front seat so is he crew or client and is flight air work or charter?
One dubious suggestion was for the producer to bill the heli company for his labour for work as crew this fee is then added to the charter invoice to the producer's company.
In response, CAA said the regs were imperfectly written and interpretations would need to be tested in court.
Mickjoebill
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@mad_jock - Thanks yes I have seen that and it the opening line is where my question is
"Is this flight Private? Public Transport? or Aerial Work? => See the Air navigation Order 200, Article 130"
This refers to something that does not exist now.
@mickjoebill - thanks
I have now located CAP 393 http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP393.pdf Section 259 to 270 Part 34.
Anyone have an understanding of this in relation to my OP
"Is this flight Private? Public Transport? or Aerial Work? => See the Air navigation Order 200, Article 130"
This refers to something that does not exist now.
@mickjoebill - thanks
I have now located CAP 393 http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP393.pdf Section 259 to 270 Part 34.
Anyone have an understanding of this in relation to my OP
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My opinion to your scenario is as follow:
It is definitively aerial work and not commercial air transport in accordance with EU OPS1, since the intended flight(s) is
Therefore, no EU OPS1 AOC is required.
[CAP393/261, Section 1 Part 34 Page 1]
In most countries, Aerial Work needs a permission to be performed commercially, but this permission is based on national law and therefore must be issued by the national authority.
Therefore, CA (the company who owns the aircraft) needs to have a permission to perform areal work commercially.
CA may contract a photographer or the Photography Company for such missions, if they do not have own qualified personnel. They also should have a description in their manuals how such contractors are selected and trained for this kind of operation.
The same is applicable for the pilot. CA may contract, e.g. on a one-time- or freelance basis, a pilot for certain operations. They also should have a description in their manuals how such pilots are selected and trained for this kind of operation.
It is definitively aerial work and not commercial air transport in accordance with EU OPS1, since the intended flight(s) is
- Not open for public;
- Not transport of persons, cargo or mail from A to B or A to A (for the purpose of being transported); and
- The customer has influence on the date and time of flight, as well as on the routing and altitudes to be flown.
Therefore, no EU OPS1 AOC is required.
[CAP393/261, Section 1 Part 34 Page 1]
In most countries, Aerial Work needs a permission to be performed commercially, but this permission is based on national law and therefore must be issued by the national authority.
Therefore, CA (the company who owns the aircraft) needs to have a permission to perform areal work commercially.
CA may contract a photographer or the Photography Company for such missions, if they do not have own qualified personnel. They also should have a description in their manuals how such contractors are selected and trained for this kind of operation.
The same is applicable for the pilot. CA may contract, e.g. on a one-time- or freelance basis, a pilot for certain operations. They also should have a description in their manuals how such pilots are selected and trained for this kind of operation.
