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Old 15th May 2012, 21:51
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Cockpit visits on a private plane

Are cockpit visits allowed on private flights? Say someone owns something like a BBJ, is the Captain (with permission from the a/c owner) allowed to let passengers visit the cockpit?
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Old 15th May 2012, 22:23
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This is not really the place to discuss this.
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Old 15th May 2012, 22:49
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So where on PPRuNe is the right place to discuss this??
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Old 15th May 2012, 23:56
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Yes. Cockpit visits can be permitted. There is no FAA regulation prohibiting it...likely the same elsewhere.
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Old 16th May 2012, 05:16
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Flight deck visits are fine in flight.

In the past,we have occasionally allowed passengers to sit on the jumpseat for landing provided we felt they would adhere to our sterile flight deck below 10,000 rule.

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Old 16th May 2012, 05:58
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USA doesn't rule the world, anyway. Different countries have different rules. Some will allow it, some may not.
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Old 16th May 2012, 06:32
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Remember too that on SP aircraft it is common for a Pax to sit up front.
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Pax on FD is the rule not the exception

In general we have a passenger, or more often the owner in the jump seat, for take off and landing.

His toy, his choice of seat.

One owner is so frightened of flying that he bought his jet, so he could sit in the jump seat....and see just what is actually happening. he was not impressed on his first cat2.... seat was not good for viewing the lights and we touched down and he never saw nuffin...... good tip that trip.

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Old 16th May 2012, 07:44
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Where then cldrvr?

Come on cldrvr.............Why, in your opinion, (and you seem to have an opinion on everything!) is this not the place to discuss this topic?
As Jay says, where, in your opinion, IS the best place on this Network to discuss this perfectly reasonable question?
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Old 16th May 2012, 08:09
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Rules or no rules. If Joe Bloggs has spent $15m on a jet, and he says it's ok for one of his punters to sit up front, who on earth is going to lay down the rules at FL410 !

I'd say the only person who would be against it would be the PIC but if he wanted to keep his job, he's most likely to agree to a vist to the front office.
Of course, PIC can refuse on safety grounds, that's why he is PIC.

Let's face it, Mr Tali Ban isn't likely to be on the manifest of a biz jet is he
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Old 16th May 2012, 08:33
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I second cldriver's opinion.

Security stuff should NOT be discussed openly. 11 years later, everyone who laughs about security related paranoia is becoming a cool guy in people's perception.

Think about it: Mr Tali Ban is funded by very rich people with huuuuuge business interests. There would be absolutely no problem to give him a few thousand bucks for a sightseeing trip...

I guess bad things have to happen before the average "Peace" fan realizes that there are far more ways to do harm to innocent people than he thinks.

Sad thing :-(

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Old 16th May 2012, 09:49
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Plenty of cockpit visits used to take place on the CJ, open cockpit and attendant seat right behind the co-pilot seat meant it was perfectly feasible, and allowed the client the opportunity to see what was going on, and ask a few questions along the way.......

As an aside, I did my first flight on the CJ2 with Cambioso pretty much as a "spectator" lol.....

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Old 16th May 2012, 10:11
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11 years later, everyone who laughs about security related paranoia is becoming a cool guy in people's perception.
And rightly so (the cool guy perception...) since some people in some countries are totally tonto and morons. Some say we (crew/people working there) are the last line of defense, but then they go one and mistrust us up to laughable level.

Im almost at a point where I would not report someone with a gun or grenade should I ever see him on an airport. (note: I wrote almost)

I guess bad things have to happen before the average "Peace" fan realizes that there are far more ways to do harm to innocent people than he thinks.
That might be, but then I rather live a little bit more dangerous life than being constantly harassed by idiots with no clue whatsoever and no real impact on security. All they (the politicians) want is what their wet dreams always were: power. And now they have more power than they had ever since the end of Hitler, talking about Germany here)

And if our Governments would get their act together and stood their ground were they should (here where Islamists try to take over the public opinion and demand all the tolerance there is while not being tolerant at all) and pull out of military adventures with no result for 10 years now and actually do what they preach, then there would be little ground for the Taliban/Al-Quaida etc to plant and grow recruits of the hateful variety.

The whole thing turns totally upside down when I pass a control with a bearded muslim guy working the xray machine.

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Old 16th May 2012, 11:28
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The chance of being directly affected by a terrorist attack is right up there with the chance of winning the jackpot at the casino or being struck by lightning.

If you seriously think flight deck visits in a bizjet are the biggest danger you face out there, well...
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Old 16th May 2012, 12:26
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Hey Jay ! Not driving a BBJ but if your GF has nice bumpers you can visit my plane anytime
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Old 16th May 2012, 13:29
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This is not really the place to discuss this.
Whatever do you mean?
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Old 16th May 2012, 15:16
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cldrvr, your response seems a bit OTT to me also.

kind of crass remark one would expect from a jobsworth security operative.
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Old 16th May 2012, 15:35
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Our A/C (CAA reg and UK AOC operated) the rules are when the owner is on board its' his toy and he can do pretty much what he likes.

On charter, then it is commercial air transport, same rules as an airline flight (just a shedload more expensive) then CAA rules apply and no-one is allowed on the FD apart from crew.

I do miss FD visits, we tend to know our charter pax and a lot of fun has gone out of the job.

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Old 16th May 2012, 15:52
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@His dudeness:

I am - by far - no blind follower of our ruling political class but I guess if we continue to ridicule our system and if we continue to deprive our politicians of their sanity we will one day have a rude awakening when our self evident rights will be gone.

Have you ever thought about what had happened from 2001 until 2012 if we had all gone tree hugging instead of bearing this security nuisances? Think about it, please!

Btw, I don't think this is OT - it's generally about statements like the one above with the "almost". This shouldn't ever come to your mind, not even in a sarcastic way.

Kind regards,
Peter (Not a right wing person, just thinking of the many people that had to die until we had something like elections and human rights... our governments are not the problem - even if it's a popular psychological kind of reaction to a widely invisible threat to think like that...)

PS: Statistics about losing once's life in a terrorist attack would have to be rewritten in a real WMD event. I desperately hope that this will never ever have to be done. Let's all do what we can to prevent this, there are enough mad men running around and there are more than enough "weapons" out there.
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Old 16th May 2012, 16:14
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You won't find me arguing with SENSIBLE security.

Whats done currently is mostly not sensible, just harassment and power trips of security agencies.

This shouldn't ever come to your mind, not even in a sarcastic way.
Thanks, so we are already at a point where 'you' want to order me what to think or what to say ?
**** that I say, and 'my government' - and the others - can only annoy and insult me for so long before I cancel whatever will I ever had to participate in charades. If they dont trust me and my fellow airmen to fly these noise and dangerous pointy things with wings on than they should make a clean cut and forbid aviation.

IMO the system these days ridicules itself.

if we continue to deprive our politicians of their sanity we will one day have a rude awakening when our self evident rights will be gone.
So the same politicians and bureaucrats that take away bit by bit what is left of our rights (e.g. ZP) and try to screw us time and again are the preservers of freedom?

Whoa, that is a new perspective for me and one I wont buy it, I fear...

our governments are not the problem
I think they are.

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