BHX closed due accident

[cldrvr]

Sorry armchairs flyers, but if you are chucking cr@p out the back and the flames have left the combustion chamber with your alternates getting worse at the same time, you are going to continue your approach.

Stop making uneducated guesses about the circumstances until we get it from the source.

Any news on the crew?

[bbrown1664]

Latest from BHX website.

Birmingham Airport closed
Birmingham Airport closed
We can confirm that an incident has occurred at Birmingham Airport involving a private Cessna aircraft. The incident occurred on arrival into the Airport and the emergency services were in attendance.
There were two people on board, both males. One male is critical and was airlifted to a local hospital. The second male is suffering back pain and flash burns and has been transferred to a local hospital by road.
The airport is currently closed and is not likely to reopen before at least 20:00 this evening.
Those due to travel to the airport this evening should contact their airline for further guidance and not come to the airport at this time.
No further information is available at the moment.

[KarlADrage]

Beeb reporting that they've been taken to hospital - no mention on condition.

Hopefully the fact that the transplant organs were able to continue their journey to hospital via police motorcycle is some indication as to the level of damage caused to the aircraft.

[cldrvr]

As long as the crew will be fine in the end. The rest is irrelevant and we can all wait for the AAIB to do its thing.

[LessThanSte]

Not with 250m visibility you cant.......

You might see a glow in the mist then the aircraft appearing sliding along on fire, but you won't see the threshold from the golf course in such low vis.

Good point, though i was more referring to the fact that had he seen it on approach it wouldnt have been that low, so presumably at more or less a normal height when it appeared. In other words, i figured from that that theres no chance it would have landed short first and then got airborne again, otherwise 1) it would have been very low and obviously not a normal approach and 2) it would have hit something substantial.

That area is full of low rise flats, houses, car supermarkers and the like. Until you get to marston green park there isnt anything flat!

Though of course, i do stand to be corrected......!

[DB6]

Not that it has much bearing on the incident but the ILS on 15 has been Cat 1 only recently due to work in progress. Rwy 33 Cat 3 as far as I know.

[Happy Wanderer]

BBC reporting one pilot in critical condition, one with burns, organ ok, airport apparently re-opening 06.00 tmrw.

[jayc004]

No missed approach

Eye witness says it was on fire on approach.
Tell you what, even if it was LVP, I would be continuing if I had an uncontrolled fire regardless of what the RVR was.
Anyway, if the RVR was that low, how did and 'eye witness' see it!?

Latest rumour:-

Citation Transplant flight
2 survived
possible 2 didn't
Normally organs don't travel alone....??

[cldrvr]

There is a place and time for rumours and innuendos, this is not it.

Plenty of friends and family have loved ones out working tonight in these roles, no need to unnecesarily distress them and feed the news trolls at the same time.

Honour the name of the forum please; "Professional"

[silverknapper]

jayc004

Normally organs don't travel alone....??

Garbage. I have completed several organ flights with only the Cool box on board.
I hope this was the case here.

SK

[B.U.D.G.I.E]

If the plane was on fire on finals or not. The boys up front have done a fantastic job getting on the ground and allowing the organ to make its destination which may well save some ones life.

Think it time some of you remembered that these life saving flights go on unnoticed every day. So just a warning before some of the s on here start mud slinging.

[doubleu-anker]

OK Kings and Queens of the sky.

I think it is fair and logical to suggest weather/visibility may have played a part in this unfortunate incident.

The site is a rumour network after all. By the time the AAIB report comes out there will possibly (God forbid) be another 3 or 4 accidents to comment on. If people have something to say, let them have their say.

If there has been an accident I want to know as much as possible at the earliest opportunity, so I and others learn from it.. This is how we all continue to learn, from the misfortune others have experienced.

Leave it to the mods to police this forum.

From a pilot, IR and have been for many decades and still learning.

[B.U.D.G.I.E]

Don't panic the press are involved.....

Quote from sky news

Warwickshire and Northamptonshire Air Ambulance, which was called to the scene, said its crew found the pilot trapped in the burning wreckage.
"The air ambulance pilot entered the plane and used his aviation and technical knowledge to locate and cut the fuel supply to the engine," it said.

What a load of

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

And if they are right Mr BUDGIE?

[LessThanSte]

Out of interest, the sky news story mentions gridlock on the A45? Why? Thats at the opposite end of the airfield if they've flown into 15, surely it hasnt made it all the way to the end and fallen onto the road?

More likely all the media trucks blocking the road to get the best view i suppose, since they cant get a truck to the other end...?

[B.U.D.G.I.E]

And if they are right Mr BUDGIE?

Air ambo do a fantastic job as do all of the emergency services but I fail to see or believe that an helicopter can fly to the scene from cov and manage to beat the fire crews ( who obviously have no training in turning aircraft off or making them safe) to the cockpit and drag out the two pilots which they found trapped in the burning wreckage. Yeah ok.....

[flap15]

Jackharr-you where the 4th person to quote the weather!!!!!!!

Transplant organs were often unaccompanied, I know I have shifted a few as well as the transplant collection teams. Never get the liver dudes as they are the first in and last out. Much longer shelf life.

[seagull2200]

Don't panic the press are involved.....

Quote from sky news


Quote:
Warwickshire and Northamptonshire Air Ambulance, which was called to the scene, said its crew found the pilot trapped in the burning wreckage.
"The air ambulance pilot entered the plane and used his aviation and technical knowledge to locate and cut the fuel supply to the engine," it said.

What a load of

How on earth would you know ...where you there? If previous reports are correct in that the chopper had to wait for debris to be cleared - let alone any other reason, is it not viable that they had shut down?

Would it then not be possible, that IF the chopper pilot DID see something that he or she could do from their knowledge of aircraft to assist in someone remaining alive, that they would have done it - would you or I not do that?

I understand that 'on the face of it' due to our bureaucratically-conditioned perspectives as a result of the 'Health & Safety' mob, this could look incredible, due to that act not being 'in their remit'... Personally though, if lives are at risk and there's something i could do about it, then i'll deal with bureaucracy later.

All people who fly are hero's in my book... those who manage to get a plane down in those conditions with what may seem to have been possibly a serious issue even before they landed, are to be respected greatly.

[First.officer]

....agreed.....have flown transplant organs unaccompanied before.....in fact, strangely enough the last all night stint i did with organs was done from BHX to EDI by moi - enjoy those flights as i readily admit it seems so much more worthwhile knowing a life will be improved massively or even saved by these organs.

Oh, hope the crew are all okay in the aftermath......

[B.U.D.G.I.E]

All people who fly are hero's in my book... those who manage to get a plane down in those conditions with what may seem to have been possibly a serious issue even before they landed, are to be respected greatly.

spot on