JetBird moves closer to air taxi launch
Was that a handbag? Do you know, I believe it was.
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Boring!!!
Does it matter how long you guys have been around...I think your egos are writing cheques your body can't cash!!!
(I crack myself up)
If you have been around for a while then great, maybe you can advise the likes of JB, Blink and whoever else on how to run a successful business. Lets stop the tiresome little jibes and sarcasm, it's so boring!
I think JB is something fresh in these dire times so why don't we all wait and see, hope for the best and be more positive. If you are intelligent enough to have a bit of foresight, you might realise that new companies mean more jobs, that's a good thing right?
(I crack myself up)If you have been around for a while then great, maybe you can advise the likes of JB, Blink and whoever else on how to run a successful business. Lets stop the tiresome little jibes and sarcasm, it's so boring!
I think JB is something fresh in these dire times so why don't we all wait and see, hope for the best and be more positive. If you are intelligent enough to have a bit of foresight, you might realise that new companies mean more jobs, that's a good thing right?
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Been Around for years!!
Running a fying school with someone elses King Air and CJ is not the same as running a successful corporate operation with a fleet of business Jets.
So all this Phil Brockwell's a font of all knowledge garbage really must stop!
I am absolutly positive that Phil's great plans do not look at all the angles, these accountants are very clever you know!
If Phil was so great I am sure his company would be growing at the rate of other companies. Like Hangar 8 which started in much the same sector and now has over 22 aircraft!
Stir it up!!!
So all this Phil Brockwell's a font of all knowledge garbage really must stop!
I am absolutly positive that Phil's great plans do not look at all the angles, these accountants are very clever you know!
If Phil was so great I am sure his company would be growing at the rate of other companies. Like Hangar 8 which started in much the same sector and now has over 22 aircraft!
Stir it up!!!
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Melia,
I'm with you on that one, but let's be fair, there aren't many on here who have met, or worked with me. I'd quite happilly forego the undeserved legend status believe me.
I'm not altogether sure your description of our Op is quite up to date or correct, but nevertheless, as my wife keeps telling me, size isn't everything, and it could be viewed that a small Op with a good reputation, owned aircraft and profits is better than a loss making ramp of shiny metal, but I digress.
This is supposed to be an area that we can swap ideas and opinions, most threads I have no opinion on at all, but I spent 3 months of my life looking at the VLJ / Low-Cost type market (not to be confused with a more traditional approach such as LEA), and in my opinion it isn't a money maker in the currently available formats of Blink and Jetbird's fleet projections and mindsets.
Some people share my opinion, some people think I'm wrong, and at this stage nobody knows who is right, time will tell.
If I have an opinion that is not positive, it does not mean I am a pessimist (who could work in aviation expecting one day to make some money if they were a pessimist) if I had no knowledge I wouldn't have an opinion.
If someone can explain to me how to make money from a VLJ start-up with straight from factory airframes, I'd be really happy to listen, I wouldn't turn into Captain "My Opinion on VLJ's count coz I've steared a Jumbo", or assume that these thoroughly nice fellows (Slattery?) are pouring money into aviation because they like giving pilots jobs in these hard times!
Let's be 100% clear here, they want a monopoly - so they can reduce costs A La Debonair / Easyjet / Ryanair / Directline Insurance. No Brokers, no competition, so for those of you who work in Bizjets because you didn't want to fly for EZE / RYR, think again!
In order to get a monopoly, they will lose money to put existing light jet Ops out of business if the depth of their pockets last.
F&**K me, that was a long one.
I'm with you on that one, but let's be fair, there aren't many on here who have met, or worked with me. I'd quite happilly forego the undeserved legend status believe me.
I'm not altogether sure your description of our Op is quite up to date or correct, but nevertheless, as my wife keeps telling me, size isn't everything, and it could be viewed that a small Op with a good reputation, owned aircraft and profits is better than a loss making ramp of shiny metal, but I digress.
This is supposed to be an area that we can swap ideas and opinions, most threads I have no opinion on at all, but I spent 3 months of my life looking at the VLJ / Low-Cost type market (not to be confused with a more traditional approach such as LEA), and in my opinion it isn't a money maker in the currently available formats of Blink and Jetbird's fleet projections and mindsets.
Some people share my opinion, some people think I'm wrong, and at this stage nobody knows who is right, time will tell.
If I have an opinion that is not positive, it does not mean I am a pessimist (who could work in aviation expecting one day to make some money if they were a pessimist) if I had no knowledge I wouldn't have an opinion.
If someone can explain to me how to make money from a VLJ start-up with straight from factory airframes, I'd be really happy to listen, I wouldn't turn into Captain "My Opinion on VLJ's count coz I've steared a Jumbo", or assume that these thoroughly nice fellows (Slattery?) are pouring money into aviation because they like giving pilots jobs in these hard times!
Let's be 100% clear here, they want a monopoly - so they can reduce costs A La Debonair / Easyjet / Ryanair / Directline Insurance. No Brokers, no competition, so for those of you who work in Bizjets because you didn't want to fly for EZE / RYR, think again!
In order to get a monopoly, they will lose money to put existing light jet Ops out of business if the depth of their pockets last.
F&**K me, that was a long one.
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Oi, have some respect - I'm a Leg End you know!
You think I P15s people off on here? can you imagine having to live with me! Bless her, patience of a saint, and deaf in one ear which may be why she stays.
PB
You think I P15s people off on here? can you imagine having to live with me! Bless her, patience of a saint, and deaf in one ear which may be why she stays.
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Phil, I retract my previous reactionary comments and salute you for your sense of humor. Like " optimism " without humor we are definitely finished and keeping that in mind, I believe we as pilots have the task, and sincere pleasure, of joining a start-up such as FJB with optimism, and a sense of humor, specially in these trying times. We are not only in the middle of a serious cultural-economical breakdown but also responsible for the outcome.
I choose to integrate with faith in the project...I am of the half full bottle theory, not half empty, and what the heck, at my age you´d think I´d be worn down but I am not and as a consideration towards the near future, I believe when the turn around comes ( and it will ) FJB will be sitting on a very deserved and proven niche. If I am wrong, then , poor me, I´ll have to go back to longhaul and chronic fatigue, but I can always say I tried my best to motivate the success by positive input.
I choose to integrate with faith in the project...I am of the half full bottle theory, not half empty, and what the heck, at my age you´d think I´d be worn down but I am not and as a consideration towards the near future, I believe when the turn around comes ( and it will ) FJB will be sitting on a very deserved and proven niche. If I am wrong, then , poor me, I´ll have to go back to longhaul and chronic fatigue, but I can always say I tried my best to motivate the success by positive input.
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Have the Phenom's now been fitted with ADFs?
I heard a rumour that the Phenom has been placarded to land with approach flap only due to some issues with full flap handling. Is this true? It seems inconceivable!
I heard a rumour that the Phenom has been placarded to land with approach flap only due to some issues with full flap handling. Is this true? It seems inconceivable!
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Any news on start of operations??
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Can anybody in the know tell us if Jetbird operations are still on track to commence September 2009? Good luck to all involved, hope to see those phenoms in the sky soon
Can anybody in the know tell us if Jetbird operations are still on track to commence September 2009? Good luck to all involved, hope to see those phenoms in the sky soon
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Jet Bird Launch
They'll probably do a launch/anouncement - whatever at the forthcoming VLJ Europe Conference at Oxford Aviaton Academy/Oxford Airport late September - 24th/25th:
MIU Events - Conferences and Exhibitions for the Aviation Industry
They are certainly participating in that event.
MIU Events - Conferences and Exhibitions for the Aviation Industry
They are certainly participating in that event.
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LGW Vulture - I hope you're not trying to connect JetBird to Jet Republic: different product, different business model, different management, different competitors, different approach and tactics. JR had a tick in every negative box; these guys have ploughed a different route and don't deserve a link to anyone but themselves. I am unable to comment on their prospects but their business plan has a lot going for it, and very little to criticise. It remains to be seen how the market is when the first Phenom arrives.... but i wish them well and would put money on them before many others.
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........different product, different business model, different management, different competitors, different approach and tactics.
Yep and still doomed to failure!
Yep and still doomed to failure!
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Oh it was only a matter of time before someone like LGW had to post their own self pity on here. The industry would fair better without people like you shouting out your own negativity. You should have your licence revoked for that comment. I wouldn't say anything until you have something constructive to say...that's a good lad!
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Having looked at their pricing then I have to agree with LGW. For that price in Germany there will be a 100 local CJ1's under cutting you.
This means two things: they will not grow the market because they are not cheaper than the current CJ markt. This means they will have to fight to get excisting business rather than new business... And that is almost impossible in with a business model owning aircraft (or leasing them for that matter through the Irish connection) They will be competing with managed aircraft that fly for variable cost only... I wish them luck but it is doomed I'm afraid
This means two things: they will not grow the market because they are not cheaper than the current CJ markt. This means they will have to fight to get excisting business rather than new business... And that is almost impossible in with a business model owning aircraft (or leasing them for that matter through the Irish connection) They will be competing with managed aircraft that fly for variable cost only... I wish them luck but it is doomed I'm afraid