Lufthansa Private Jet Management change
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Every time I look at a TV these days I think of a nice song...
Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...
And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...
If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just purse your lips and whistle - that's the thing.
And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...
For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin
Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.
So always look on the bright side of death
Just before you draw your terminal breath
Life's a piece of ****
When you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.
And always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the right side of life...
(Come on guys, cheer up!)
Always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the bright side of life...
(Worse things happen at sea, you know.)
Always look on the bright side of life...
(I mean - what have you got to lose?)
(You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost? Nothing!)
Always look on the right side of life...
Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...
And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...
If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just purse your lips and whistle - that's the thing.
And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...
For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin
Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.
So always look on the bright side of death
Just before you draw your terminal breath
Life's a piece of ****
When you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.
And always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the right side of life...
(Come on guys, cheer up!)
Always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the bright side of life...
(Worse things happen at sea, you know.)
Always look on the bright side of life...
(I mean - what have you got to lose?)
(You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost? Nothing!)
Always look on the right side of life...
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That's a brilliant set of lyrics His Dudeness, that would almost certainly be a huge hit. Just like to offer my artistic services if you form a band, i'm quite a master on the tambourine, oh and i play the coconuts a treat too!
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Falconbis
"desjokey101 like LH as no cloud of how NJE modrl is working , he forgot that NJE is selling 25 h Card ..that's charter with a different wording for it...in 2008 Netjets sold 400 of those cards that s 10000 charter hours already sold and also cash in as those card are prepaid with free positionning in Europe and over the North Atlantic ..."
Well i'm guessing that if this was anywhere between 1999 and 2003 you and I would have been colleagues as at that time I was at Nj when the business was started in Europe. (which is where i imagine you are!!) ....interestingly i then went to the comapny that invented (no shouting from EST) the 25hr card Marquis Jet that later became the NJ Card, so "no cloud of how NJE modrl is working" is a bit wide of the mark.
In the end NJ taking the 25 hour card will/is turning out to be a problem as there are too many Guaranteed Availability customers per airframe (12 to 1 at the last count) P.S. since when was positioning free, or has Mr Santulli invented a way of flying his aircraft without cost.....
Look at NJ in the US and who runs/owns their 25hr business (not NJ surprise surprise!!)
And before you ask, I really enjoyed my time there and remain firm friends with a number of (potentially) your colleagues..
Well i'm guessing that if this was anywhere between 1999 and 2003 you and I would have been colleagues as at that time I was at Nj when the business was started in Europe. (which is where i imagine you are!!) ....interestingly i then went to the comapny that invented (no shouting from EST) the 25hr card Marquis Jet that later became the NJ Card, so "no cloud of how NJE modrl is working" is a bit wide of the mark.
In the end NJ taking the 25 hour card will/is turning out to be a problem as there are too many Guaranteed Availability customers per airframe (12 to 1 at the last count) P.S. since when was positioning free, or has Mr Santulli invented a way of flying his aircraft without cost.....
Look at NJ in the US and who runs/owns their 25hr business (not NJ surprise surprise!!)
And before you ask, I really enjoyed my time there and remain firm friends with a number of (potentially) your colleagues..
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Evening No RYR for Me
The COO did have an airline background....and also a family in the US and an office in London!!!!!! (potentially no more complicated)
As for the Challenger, the answer is we dont do old aircraft. Would you really want the maintainance bills on 15-20 Citations, 15 Hawkers etc...etc.... no thanks!
If you get the chance come and have a look at the aircraft, you might like what you see....and you would be very welcome.
D101
As for the Challenger, the answer is we dont do old aircraft. Would you really want the maintainance bills on 15-20 Citations, 15 Hawkers etc...etc.... no thanks!
If you get the chance come and have a look at the aircraft, you might like what you see....and you would be very welcome.
D101
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Gerald Wissel, VistaJet and Lufthansa Private Jet
Hey Guys,
sorry to say but there is a lot of bullsh!t going around concerning myself, VistaJet and Lufthansa Private Jet.
One for very sure: I wasn't fired and I didn't screw up the deal with NetJets.
If anybody wants to know the real reasons please contact me directly ([email protected])
Thanks,
Gerald
sorry to say but there is a lot of bullsh!t going around concerning myself, VistaJet and Lufthansa Private Jet.
One for very sure: I wasn't fired and I didn't screw up the deal with NetJets.
If anybody wants to know the real reasons please contact me directly ([email protected])
Thanks,
Gerald
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Darwin's birthday
Let's see what the outcome of the current situation will be - and pray for the best.
At present there are companies in trouble who appeared to be rock-solid - at least according to their own statements. Some due to customers who failed to pay on time and some because of the general lack of demand. Or even both.
In recent weeks I heard that companies with shiny names are laying off pilots, even a colleague from VistaJet called me a few days ago. For them the growth-potential seemed to be unlimited just some months ago.
Not funny at all. There is no knowing of who will be next.
'Survival of the fittest', that's all it boils down to.
At present there are companies in trouble who appeared to be rock-solid - at least according to their own statements. Some due to customers who failed to pay on time and some because of the general lack of demand. Or even both.
In recent weeks I heard that companies with shiny names are laying off pilots, even a colleague from VistaJet called me a few days ago. For them the growth-potential seemed to be unlimited just some months ago.
Not funny at all. There is no knowing of who will be next.
'Survival of the fittest', that's all it boils down to.
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deskjokey101
you are right from 1999 to 2003 NJE was doing only frax but i don t anderstand your point ??
As you probably know,in those days, NJE had customers who were buying shares and then resaled their hours to other customers as charter and make a living out of it...I guess Santulli realised that he could make more money by doing it itself that why he bough Marquis in the US and in Europe ! The Cards are the cherry on top of the cake for NJE as they are selling airplane, get the money and the monthly management fees and fly the cards holders on those sold airplane and get additionnal revenu from it. It make huge business sense to do both ..so they did !
free positionning in europe and over the north atlantic and the Carribeans is managable once you rich a critical mass of airplane and customers, there is always airplane on both side of the pond to answer the call, also the cost exist but diluted by the mass of customers .
its an equation of ferry distance / probability / mass of customers / number of airplane that only NJE can achieved.
you are right from 1999 to 2003 NJE was doing only frax but i don t anderstand your point ??
As you probably know,in those days, NJE had customers who were buying shares and then resaled their hours to other customers as charter and make a living out of it...I guess Santulli realised that he could make more money by doing it itself that why he bough Marquis in the US and in Europe ! The Cards are the cherry on top of the cake for NJE as they are selling airplane, get the money and the monthly management fees and fly the cards holders on those sold airplane and get additionnal revenu from it. It make huge business sense to do both ..so they did !
free positionning in europe and over the north atlantic and the Carribeans is managable once you rich a critical mass of airplane and customers, there is always airplane on both side of the pond to answer the call, also the cost exist but diluted by the mass of customers .
its an equation of ferry distance / probability / mass of customers / number of airplane that only NJE can achieved.
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Not getting the picture
"that why he bough Marquis in the US and in Europe "
Falconbis, with all due respect i'm not sure you know what your talking about.
Marquis Jet in the US is still a private company and is not owned by Netjets.
In Europe, by buying MJ the number of customers with guranteed availability (the key phrase) have gone up by a factor of 2, and thus NJE have potentially 32 (32 x 25hrs = 800hrs) guaranteed availability customers per aircraft. In reality the average number is around 12 (double that of NJ US).
This is a significant problem, and is also the reason why NJ in the US do NOT buy Marquis Jet.
I hope this clarifies the facts....
DJ101
Falconbis, with all due respect i'm not sure you know what your talking about.
Marquis Jet in the US is still a private company and is not owned by Netjets.
In Europe, by buying MJ the number of customers with guranteed availability (the key phrase) have gone up by a factor of 2, and thus NJE have potentially 32 (32 x 25hrs = 800hrs) guaranteed availability customers per aircraft. In reality the average number is around 12 (double that of NJ US).
This is a significant problem, and is also the reason why NJ in the US do NOT buy Marquis Jet.
I hope this clarifies the facts....
DJ101
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Capt B
Working hard, working hard and more working hard............
That just about sums it up. Every member of the team is putting in an extraordinary amount of time and effort as we believe we have a great company, a fantastic and unique owner and a great product.
I dont believe that 110% exists, but if it did the VJ team are giving it.
Hope this clarifies
DJ101
That just about sums it up. Every member of the team is putting in an extraordinary amount of time and effort as we believe we have a great company, a fantastic and unique owner and a great product.
I dont believe that 110% exists, but if it did the VJ team are giving it.
Hope this clarifies
DJ101
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Hi Deskjockey
You seem to know so much about NJ but what about VJ? At NJ we have mr Buffet helping us out. Somebody told me that VJ excists by the grace of Canadian Export credit for the Bombardier products and selling young aircraft at a profit and rich russians... Now that the quick profits on airframes are gone as well as the Russians who will fill the holes and how deep are his pockets?
Thanks in advance!
You seem to know so much about NJ but what about VJ? At NJ we have mr Buffet helping us out. Somebody told me that VJ excists by the grace of Canadian Export credit for the Bombardier products and selling young aircraft at a profit and rich russians... Now that the quick profits on airframes are gone as well as the Russians who will fill the holes and how deep are his pockets?
Thanks in advance!
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Why do we have to be pleased that our colleages might be doing less than we? Why is it that so often when I read a post here from my own colleages that I am embarased? Some of us at NJ seem to take plesure from others and there trials. Shame. It is no surprise that we are often seen to be the bigheads around the fbos.
Does it matter how Vista survive? So what if Buffet has lots of cash? We would do well to remember that it is not ours and we are no better than our compadres who wear another uniform. deskjockey, I apolagise.
Does it matter how Vista survive? So what if Buffet has lots of cash? We would do well to remember that it is not ours and we are no better than our compadres who wear another uniform. deskjockey, I apolagise.
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Whooooooooooooooooooooa Barisita what on earth are you apologising for? You have missed the point fella. Deskjockey101 has been trying to pick holes in the NJE product, and suggest that there are "significant" problems. Deskjockey101 please explain WHY you feel you are in a position to make the judgement that "significant" problems with NJ business model exist?
Your undertones sound like those of a VERY worried man. For example,
"That just about sums it up. Every member of the team is putting in an extraordinary amount of time and effort as we believe we have a great company, a fantastic and unique owner and a great product.
I dont believe that 110% exists, but if it did the VJ team are giving it."
I know someone who isn't giving 110% deskjockey, YOU, because you spend too much time on here badmouthing Netjets! Concentrate on your own problems mate and we'll deal with ours.
It is a fact that Netjets made a profit last year dispite the difficult trading conditions at the end, has that annoyed you deskjockey?
Your undertones sound like those of a VERY worried man. For example,
"That just about sums it up. Every member of the team is putting in an extraordinary amount of time and effort as we believe we have a great company, a fantastic and unique owner and a great product.
I dont believe that 110% exists, but if it did the VJ team are giving it."
I know someone who isn't giving 110% deskjockey, YOU, because you spend too much time on here badmouthing Netjets! Concentrate on your own problems mate and we'll deal with ours.
It is a fact that Netjets made a profit last year dispite the difficult trading conditions at the end, has that annoyed you deskjockey?
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Is it your time of the month
Wow!!!!!!! I thought that the whole point of a message board was that you were allowed to extress an opinion, without the fear of a hormonal pilot having a go!!!!!
Get over yourself!! A question was posed with regard to your company and I gave my opinion, since then I have exchanged views with some very nice colleagues of yours (some they agree with, some not). as far as being worried is concerned, of course I am and if your not then you need your head looking at.
If you took the time to look at the posts you will see that your fellow nj jetjockey "falconbis" has been putting untruth's on the site, and as this is a discussion I put the facts there....
As Jack Nicholson says "you can't handle the truth!!!!!!"
DJ101
P.s. Theres still a nice espresso waiting for you at EBACE.
Get over yourself!! A question was posed with regard to your company and I gave my opinion, since then I have exchanged views with some very nice colleagues of yours (some they agree with, some not). as far as being worried is concerned, of course I am and if your not then you need your head looking at.
If you took the time to look at the posts you will see that your fellow nj jetjockey "falconbis" has been putting untruth's on the site, and as this is a discussion I put the facts there....
As Jack Nicholson says "you can't handle the truth!!!!!!"
DJ101
P.s. Theres still a nice espresso waiting for you at EBACE.
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No DJ101 you where not expressing an opinion. When you posted numbers in #31 your position changed from an opinion to a statement which is by definition is "offered as evidence that something is true". And i have read all the posts.
You have neatly tried to side step my question by suggesting that i am hormonal, however my unanswered question still stands. If you beleive it is "a significant problem" please present your evidence to substantiate your assertion including your source of the numbers, because i think the ones you presented are highly questionable. Why don't you just have a little think about why they may be questionable!
Also in terms of you suggesting i am concerned, i can say i'm not. I joined well over 5 years ago and my fleet is doing..............................well i guess you can tell me how much flying we are doing. Now i accept that doesn't afford me unlimited protection however i believe Netjets and Berkshire Hathaway are in this business for the long haul.
Like i said why don't you worry about VJ and we'll sort the Netjets problems out, and read between the lines now DJ i've sorted alot of problems.
You have neatly tried to side step my question by suggesting that i am hormonal, however my unanswered question still stands. If you beleive it is "a significant problem" please present your evidence to substantiate your assertion including your source of the numbers, because i think the ones you presented are highly questionable. Why don't you just have a little think about why they may be questionable!
Also in terms of you suggesting i am concerned, i can say i'm not. I joined well over 5 years ago and my fleet is doing..............................well i guess you can tell me how much flying we are doing. Now i accept that doesn't afford me unlimited protection however i believe Netjets and Berkshire Hathaway are in this business for the long haul.
Like i said why don't you worry about VJ and we'll sort the Netjets problems out, and read between the lines now DJ i've sorted alot of problems.
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"and read between the lines now DJ i've sorted alot of problems"
I hope thats not a threat? becasue if it is, its very embarrassing.
Also lets get this straight for the record, I have never bad mouthed NJ, simply looked at and commented on the business model. Indeed I have more respect for your company than many of the people who have worked/do work there now, as you well know.
If you find a different opinion other than your own a problem, then thats more to do with you than me.
If making money is your measure of success, then try making money every year, then lets see who wins your p*****g contest...
I have seen a lot of c**p written about both companies this year, so lets not lose our professionalism over what is a difference of opinion...and for clarity i was there when the business model was in it's infancy so do know what im talking about.
As for too much posting?? i can multitask and i hope to god that you can as well, because your a permanent fixture here.
Opinions aside, Fly Safely
DJ101
Also lets get this straight for the record, I have never bad mouthed NJ, simply looked at and commented on the business model. Indeed I have more respect for your company than many of the people who have worked/do work there now, as you well know.
If you find a different opinion other than your own a problem, then thats more to do with you than me.
If making money is your measure of success, then try making money every year, then lets see who wins your p*****g contest...
I have seen a lot of c**p written about both companies this year, so lets not lose our professionalism over what is a difference of opinion...and for clarity i was there when the business model was in it's infancy so do know what im talking about.
As for too much posting?? i can multitask and i hope to god that you can as well, because your a permanent fixture here.
Opinions aside, Fly Safely
DJ101
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Hi Barista. Maybe some less caffeine? 
Smeagals boyfriend is spot on Another reason is that I have seen too many people following company cheerleaders like DJ and pay large bonds etc before figuring out that management BS is one thing but being out of work unexpectedly is fairly upsetting to say the least.
It is all about DL10 commenting on the NJ model or should I say clarify??
It pi55e5 me of when a corporate cheerleader at VJ start badmouthing err commenting on NJ but as far as I can see has not answered the questions raised about VJ 
Smeagals boyfriend is spot on Another reason is that I have seen too many people following company cheerleaders like DJ and pay large bonds etc before figuring out that management BS is one thing but being out of work unexpectedly is fairly upsetting to say the least.It is all about DL10 commenting on the NJ model or should I say clarify??
I hope this clarifies the facts...