VP-BAF Samedan 12th Feb 2009 (Split From Samedan Overrun)
Of marginal interest 
I wondered if the airport might have any warning of the closure, or any aircraft are given a few hours notice to reposition elsewhere before it closed. Bit harsh on them otherwise.
I bet the local helos are doing big business this week.
I wondered if the airport might have any warning of the closure, or any aircraft are given a few hours notice to reposition elsewhere before it closed. Bit harsh on them otherwise.
I bet the local helos are doing big business this week.
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I've never been a fan of the place to be honest. Too many local cowboys zooming out of the valleys and cutting in front of other aircraft on approach. Had to go around once after one of them appeared from such a valley undeneath me while I was on a long final.
Too ill disciplined there for me to feel completely comfortable.
Too ill disciplined there for me to feel completely comfortable.
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safety strip
...according an anouncement by the BAZL swiss the airport was closed due to too high snow walls. The strip has to be 40m , the height of the snowwalls was too high, I would like to start a discussion about the legal requirements concerning safety strip at airfields like that, any comments?
no-rvsm - it was a private operater, easy to google if you use the call sign and/or the initial accident report of flight safety / swiss authority. cheers.
no-rvsm - it was a private operater, easy to google if you use the call sign and/or the initial accident report of flight safety / swiss authority. cheers.
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Too many local cowboys zooming out of the valleys and cutting in front of other aircraft on approach. Had to go around once after one of them appeared from such a valley undeneath me while I was on a long final.
Too ill disciplined there for me to feel completely comfortable.
Too ill disciplined there for me to feel completely comfortable.
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Apparently no warning was given to airport from FOCA that the airport would be closed:
http://www.engadin-airport.ch/filead...rfuegung_e.pdf
http://www.engadin-airport.ch/filead...rfuegung_e.pdf
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The force must be strong with you then.
Spurs - do they help in SE climb performance or what? I could use them then as well...and the sound is cool. (walking across...)
BTW: LSZS will reopen at 1400z today.
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I was with WashingtonDave on the ski-bus. I do recall the conditions being very grim, and not many people even out skiing. Dave did mention to me about the plane landing, expressing his surprise that flights were still active. I know nothing about flying so whether the conditions were wholly to blame I couldn't say.
Hopefully an inquiry will determine the causes and hopefully reduce the chances of such a tragedy happening again.
Hopefully an inquiry will determine the causes and hopefully reduce the chances of such a tragedy happening again.
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Condolence thread opened
As suggested before, I opened a thread for all who want to send their condolences.
http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-flying-ga-etc/363108-condolences-our-collegues-families-falcon-10-vp-baf-crash-samedan.html#post4735571
It was suggested that this doesn't really belong here and I had my doubts as well, but please understand that we all have different ways to cope with such a tragedy and it sometimes just helps to put it into words.
Feel free to discuss this and the crash itself on here but please respect the condolences thread as what it is and bear in mind that families and friends might read it.
THANK YOU!!!
http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-flying-ga-etc/363108-condolences-our-collegues-families-falcon-10-vp-baf-crash-samedan.html#post4735571
It was suggested that this doesn't really belong here and I had my doubts as well, but please understand that we all have different ways to cope with such a tragedy and it sometimes just helps to put it into words.
Feel free to discuss this and the crash itself on here but please respect the condolences thread as what it is and bear in mind that families and friends might read it.
THANK YOU!!!
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Big planes
After all, Boeing 737 have been coming into LSZS on a regular basis during the snow season.
For years, Greek tycoon Niarchos' 737 could be seen parked here.
And the Super Constellation has landed and taken off in the summer in the past three years, as well.
Peter
For years, Greek tycoon Niarchos' 737 could be seen parked here.
And the Super Constellation has landed and taken off in the summer in the past three years, as well.
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Many light/mid sized corporate jets have crashed at airports big enough to handle airliners. What's your point PG
Surely the folks at Samedan ops know it takes more than 8m to handle an aircraft even the size of a small Falcon. No idea where that number came from.
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Not yet, check later at Bro fr Flugunfalluntersuchung
The only publication so far:
http://www.bfu.admin.ch/common/pdf/VP-BAF.pdf
The only publication so far:
http://www.bfu.admin.ch/common/pdf/VP-BAF.pdf
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The final report is published:
http://www.bfu.admin.ch/common/pdf/2074_e.pdf
It is worth to read more than only the conclusions section.
http://www.bfu.admin.ch/common/pdf/2074_e.pdf
It is worth to read more than only the conclusions section.
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IFixPlanes,
Very illuminating report indeed, thank you for posting it.
One of the commanders prior incidents beggars belief and points to the reasons for the fatal crash.
Interesting to speculate that the pax was sitting with his back to the right hand side of the aircraft (the sideways seat immediately behind the crew seats) and accordingly had his back to the side of the aircraft that took the impact with the snow berm. It may well have been the reason that he survived despite being so close to the point where the aircraft split.
Very illuminating report indeed, thank you for posting it.
One of the commanders prior incidents beggars belief and points to the reasons for the fatal crash.
Interesting to speculate that the pax was sitting with his back to the right hand side of the aircraft (the sideways seat immediately behind the crew seats) and accordingly had his back to the side of the aircraft that took the impact with the snow berm. It may well have been the reason that he survived despite being so close to the point where the aircraft split.
