VP-BAF Samedan 12th Feb 2009 (Split From Samedan Overrun)
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Looks really bad. Anybody got a metar for that time?
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Now that's good journalism.... 
(free translation): The conditions for landings at Samedan Airport, located at 1707m are difficult at the moment, because the snow is several meters high.
What's their point? It's not on the runway, and there all winter
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Die Landebedingungen auf dem 1707 Meter hoch gelegenen Flughafen Samedan sind zur Zeit erschwert, weil der Schnee meterhoch liegt.
(free translation): The conditions for landings at Samedan Airport, located at 1707m are difficult at the moment, because the snow is several meters high.
What's their point? It's not on the runway, and there all winter
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No, I am not perfect. But I also wouldn't dream of flying into Samedan in 3k vis and ovc030. Of course I don't know if those were the conditions. And no, I am not too touched by this accident. I did not know anybody involved and I can't possibly be touched by all the other lifes that are lost everyday. And no, I don't believe in God either.
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What FF says: shut yer trap and wait
Lszs 121450z 36006kt 320v020 3000 -sn Ovc030 M09/m11 Q1006=
Lszs 121420z 04005kt 3000 -sn Ovc030 M08/m11 Q1005=
Lszs 121350z Vrb02kt 3500 Vcsh Sn Ovc040 M08/m11 Q1005=
Lszs 121420z 04005kt 3000 -sn Ovc030 M08/m11 Q1005=
Lszs 121350z Vrb02kt 3500 Vcsh Sn Ovc040 M08/m11 Q1005=
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RIP
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Mate, even if you tragically lost a friend during that sad accident, members of this network are free to add comments of their own. You and I might not share their views and inputs, but that is the way it is.
Mate, even if you tragically lost a friend during that sad accident, members of this network are free to add comments of their own. You and I might not share their views and inputs, but that is the way it is.
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FallenFoul,
I'm genuinely sorry for your loss. For those of us who actually do this job, these sort of things do touch us. Deeply. Hopefully everyone else will treat this with the same respect as if it were one of their friends/colleagues.
Our prays are with you and the families.
Chips
I'm genuinely sorry for your loss. For those of us who actually do this job, these sort of things do touch us. Deeply. Hopefully everyone else will treat this with the same respect as if it were one of their friends/colleagues.
Our prays are with you and the families.
Chips
Does this plane have a CVR?
PS: Thanks for cutting/censoring this post of mine, appreciated! I had made a comment that was not showing any bad will or attack on any one, it was just a remark: Sad, sad, sad.... I hope it was not an error by the crew through pressure of the client. I stand to my words, this was not any attack anyone, just a remark and that I wish that it was not this way.
PS: Thanks for cutting/censoring this post of mine, appreciated! I had made a comment that was not showing any bad will or attack on any one, it was just a remark: Sad, sad, sad.... I hope it was not an error by the crew through pressure of the client. I stand to my words, this was not any attack anyone, just a remark and that I wish that it was not this way.
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why is that Duck? for legal reasons or in case someone gets all overcome with emotions and can't find the logout button?
after all this is just a comic book akin to the Sun or Daily Star (National Enquirer to our US comrades)
after all this is just a comic book akin to the Sun or Daily Star (National Enquirer to our US comrades)
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yes because they tragically were involved in an aviation accident they deserve all our condolances and thoughts and so on. Had it been under many, if not most, other circumstances no one on this thread (save friends and family that might be on here) would have even known about the loss, and if you had you would not have encouraged the rest of us to pray for them. If your thoughts have to be with anybody it should be with real sufferes of this world and that category of people is never the subject on this forum.
In my opinion this is no more nor less tragic then the loss of life in other circumstances, families suffer the same no matter how it happens but it seems that when it happens in aviation there is this exaggeration of how tragic it is, in both media and by some on here.
keep it real folks, it's tragic, they deserve our respect but please don't tell me who I should pray for
In my opinion this is no more nor less tragic then the loss of life in other circumstances, families suffer the same no matter how it happens but it seems that when it happens in aviation there is this exaggeration of how tragic it is, in both media and by some on here.
keep it real folks, it's tragic, they deserve our respect but please don't tell me who I should pray for
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It has long been held on this site that those who actually know/knew the people involved in fatal incidents will be able to make their feelings known to their friends and families first hand so won't need to post such messages here.
By all means the rest of us can learn from and (properly) discuss the incident(s) while harbouring whatever thoughts we like but wailing and gnashing of teeth is quite meaningless as are guessing, speculation, accusatory comments and posts that say nothing other than "I never knew them but.....".
Yes, those involved and the bereaved deserve our respect. The best way that we, their fellow professionals, can show that respect is to bear the above in mind before clicking on 'Submit Reply'.
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By all means the rest of us can learn from and (properly) discuss the incident(s) while harbouring whatever thoughts we like but wailing and gnashing of teeth is quite meaningless as are guessing, speculation, accusatory comments and posts that say nothing other than "I never knew them but.....".
Yes, those involved and the bereaved deserve our respect. The best way that we, their fellow professionals, can show that respect is to bear the above in mind before clicking on 'Submit Reply'.
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My condolences to the families that have lost their loved ones in this tragedy.
Can I suggest that the threads are split, as has been done, but one is clearly named as a "condolence" thread and the other as a "accident investigation" thread. Whilst I appreciate the sensitivities of discussing such an event it is nevertheless desirable to learn lessons from this and other peoples experiences; especially at an airfield such as Samedan; and if it is done sensibly.
A moment later Jonathan’s body wavered in the air, shimmering, and began to go transparent. “Don’t let them spread silly rumors about me, or make me a God. O.K., Fletch? I’m a seagull. I like to fly.....
from Jonathan Livingston Seagull by Richard Bach
Can I suggest that the threads are split, as has been done, but one is clearly named as a "condolence" thread and the other as a "accident investigation" thread. Whilst I appreciate the sensitivities of discussing such an event it is nevertheless desirable to learn lessons from this and other peoples experiences; especially at an airfield such as Samedan; and if it is done sensibly.
A moment later Jonathan’s body wavered in the air, shimmering, and began to go transparent. “Don’t let them spread silly rumors about me, or make me a God. O.K., Fletch? I’m a seagull. I like to fly.....
from Jonathan Livingston Seagull by Richard Bach
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For what it is worth, I was on a skibus from the Corvatschbahn heading towards Samedan at the time of the aircraft landing. I could see it was landing towards the NE and into a heavy snow shower. My own thoughts at the time were that the weather conditions were not very suitable to attempt a landing although I had no idea of what landing aids were available at the airport.
I was not aware that an accident had occurred until I read about it in the "Enagadiner Post" on saturday.
For information I am not a professional aviator, but I do hold an FAA PPL licence.
I was not aware that an accident had occurred until I read about it in the "Enagadiner Post" on saturday.
For information I am not a professional aviator, but I do hold an FAA PPL licence.
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@washingtondave: you might be a critical witness, may I suggest to contact the Swiss Air Accident investigators, called BFU, under:
BFU - Kontaktformular
Since Samedan is a pure VFR airfield, holding "only" a PPL does not mean you aren´t a pilot that could not have been flying there...
BFU - Kontaktformular
Since Samedan is a pure VFR airfield, holding "only" a PPL does not mean you aren´t a pilot that could not have been flying there...
Although I can't locate any official statement on the BFU web site various media report that all operations have been suspended at the Samedan airport due to the excessive amount of snow around the runaway (apparently there is only 8m worth of usable airstrip although I find this hard to believe...).
Might or might not been a contributing factor...
Might or might not been a contributing factor...