ICAO Requirement for Ops Manauls - Gone !!
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ICAO Requirement for Ops Manauls - Gone !!
During a chat with the Isle of Man we asked about Ops manuals etc by November 1st. This was the reply :
The Isle of Man will no longer be bring forward legislation to require compliance with the new ICAO requirements for business aircraft i.e. introduction of operations manuals with FTLs and MELs and they do not know when it will be reintroduced - if ever!
This is due to the FAA and EASA, who have each gone against the new requirement
The FAA have informed ICAO that they will not be ready to introduce this for at least 10 years due to the amount of aircraft they have, EASA also have said it would take them 4 years.
He has also said that Bermuda have jumped the gun by requiring their aircraft to comply with ICAO and placing a lot of new restrictions on operation which include FTL’s etc.
Looks like Bermuada and British CAA have shot themselves in the foot - again More aircraft moving registers ?
The Isle of Man will no longer be bring forward legislation to require compliance with the new ICAO requirements for business aircraft i.e. introduction of operations manuals with FTLs and MELs and they do not know when it will be reintroduced - if ever!
This is due to the FAA and EASA, who have each gone against the new requirement
The FAA have informed ICAO that they will not be ready to introduce this for at least 10 years due to the amount of aircraft they have, EASA also have said it would take them 4 years.
He has also said that Bermuda have jumped the gun by requiring their aircraft to comply with ICAO and placing a lot of new restrictions on operation which include FTL’s etc.
Looks like Bermuada and British CAA have shot themselves in the foot - again More aircraft moving registers ?
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Flight Manuals !!
I had to go through all this Sh
t with Bermuda and now I have to get anothe audit because the first one was not satisfactory ... we run just one fin airplane and we are being harrased to have enough documents to run BA's flight department ... stupid ... to make it worse I now have to revise the MEL because the one that they already approved 5 years ago is too old ...
The latest was that I told them I will change registration to "N" or maybe "M" and they told me " well; it is your decision, but it will take a test flight and about 10 days for us to De-register your plane" ... Ta'hell ... where is this coming from ???
... 
Will go "N" in the next few months in order to avoid all this ... and F Bermuda ... they can keep all those letters ... VP-B ... be screwd that is what it is ...
Sorry I had to get it out of my electrical system ...
Keep it safe ...
t with Bermuda and now I have to get anothe audit because the first one was not satisfactory ... we run just one fin airplane and we are being harrased to have enough documents to run BA's flight department ... stupid ... to make it worse I now have to revise the MEL because the one that they already approved 5 years ago is too old ...The latest was that I told them I will change registration to "N" or maybe "M" and they told me " well; it is your decision, but it will take a test flight and about 10 days for us to De-register your plane" ... Ta'hell ... where is this coming from ???
... Will go "N" in the next few months in order to avoid all this ... and F
Bermuda ... they can keep all those letters ... VP-B ... be screwd that is what it is ...Sorry I had to get it out of my electrical system ...
Keep it safe ...
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Ops Man.
Hi Fossy .. neither have I, but this was the answer from the Bermudan authorities ... Crazy I know ..
Will go "M" on your (cjboy, EMB170) recomendations ...
Thanks ...
Keep it safe ..
Will go "M" on your (cjboy, EMB170) recomendations ...
Thanks ...
Keep it safe ..
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Does this mean every aircraft in Cayman must follow the rules on having ops manual and maintenance program set out ?
I thought these registers are here to make it easier for private ops not worse?
Also I hear some changes afoot regarding tax on aircraft owners being tax on thier assets based on thier resident status rather than thier aircraft registration location,also depending upon where aircraft is leased from ?
Can anyone shed the light ?
I thought these registers are here to make it easier for private ops not worse?
Also I hear some changes afoot regarding tax on aircraft owners being tax on thier assets based on thier resident status rather than thier aircraft registration location,also depending upon where aircraft is leased from ?
Can anyone shed the light ?
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not only Cayman, also all other British Overseas Territories, as Bermuda or BVI etc, because they have the OTAR's in place. You can access them via ASSI
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Stratocaster, it means that we dont have to go through the costly independant auditing system that once again has created an entire new industry.
It does not mean that we operate below of what is required of us, as a two airplane and three pilot flight department, I can only create so many positions to cater for the OPS Man these things require. Plus really, Safety guy, ops and quality control guy ect ect we just end up going in circles in our department, quite supid really.
But we have a ops man in place and a ERP and a SMS controlled by us and piggy backing of the company ISO requirments.
Why the industry has to pick on us because we dont do what the airlines do is beyond me, plus why do they complain, if anybody had to complain it was me, as they are getting all the longer flights buissness class from my employer.
It does not mean that we operate below of what is required of us, as a two airplane and three pilot flight department, I can only create so many positions to cater for the OPS Man these things require. Plus really, Safety guy, ops and quality control guy ect ect we just end up going in circles in our department, quite supid really.
But we have a ops man in place and a ERP and a SMS controlled by us and piggy backing of the company ISO requirments.
Why the industry has to pick on us because we dont do what the airlines do is beyond me, plus why do they complain, if anybody had to complain it was me, as they are getting all the longer flights buissness class from my employer.
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Independent audits... For the British Overseas Territories OK (the IS-BAO thing). But for Man too?
Sorry, perhaps my brain is like glue today, but it still doesn't make sense. One guy is talking about manuals and the other about manpower.
What does the ICAO say anyway? I find hard to believe that they will suppress a requirement about ops manuals.
Sorry, perhaps my brain is like glue today, but it still doesn't make sense. One guy is talking about manuals and the other about manpower.
What does the ICAO say anyway? I find hard to believe that they will suppress a requirement about ops manuals.
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actually you need both, manpower and manuals. From what I know, some operators with an AOC in Europe forwarded their EU-OPS manuals for approval. This means that the VP-B, -C and -Q aircraft they are managin,g have the same restrictions than the commercial ones.
IS-BAO is one way to do it, but you can also ask the authorities to come to your office and do the audit themselves. It doesn't matter if you have only one aircraft, will cost you the more or less the same, but if you have more aircraft you should do it via the IS-BAO approval/recommendation.
BTW, if somebody is thinking joining the N-Register, the below was recently published by AIN:
QUOTE:
FAA: Aircraft Re-registration To Begin This Fall
By: Curt Epstein
AINalerts >> July 2010
Government
The FAA yesterday issued its final ruling mandating the re-registration of all U.S. civil aircraft. In an effort to clear clutter from the aircraft registry and provide more up-to-date information to law enforcement and other agencies, the FAA will require owners to begin re-registering their aircraft in a rolling program that will begin November 1 and end in December 2013.
The first three-month window will involve only aircraft whose certificates were issued in March of any year. The registration process will then move on to certificates issued in April and so on for the next three years.
The ruling also calls for aircraft registration renewals every three years. While owners with no changes to their registration will be able to re-register their aircraft online, those with changes will be required to submit their applications through the mail.
Industry experts, including Jeff Wieand of Business Jet Traveler magazine, are advising owners to submit their applications as early as possible in their appropriate window to allow the agency time to process and mail the new registrations. The FAA, which maintains information on 357,000 aircraft in its registry, said that nearly one third are no longer eligible for registration because of incorrect addresses or other registration errors, aircraft inactivity or disposal and/or revoked certificates.
This new ruling could result in the cancellation of registration of more than 100,000 aircraft over the next three years.
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IS-BAO is one way to do it, but you can also ask the authorities to come to your office and do the audit themselves. It doesn't matter if you have only one aircraft, will cost you the more or less the same, but if you have more aircraft you should do it via the IS-BAO approval/recommendation.
BTW, if somebody is thinking joining the N-Register, the below was recently published by AIN:
QUOTE:
FAA: Aircraft Re-registration To Begin This Fall
By: Curt Epstein
AINalerts >> July 2010
Government
The FAA yesterday issued its final ruling mandating the re-registration of all U.S. civil aircraft. In an effort to clear clutter from the aircraft registry and provide more up-to-date information to law enforcement and other agencies, the FAA will require owners to begin re-registering their aircraft in a rolling program that will begin November 1 and end in December 2013.
The first three-month window will involve only aircraft whose certificates were issued in March of any year. The registration process will then move on to certificates issued in April and so on for the next three years.
The ruling also calls for aircraft registration renewals every three years. While owners with no changes to their registration will be able to re-register their aircraft online, those with changes will be required to submit their applications through the mail.
Industry experts, including Jeff Wieand of Business Jet Traveler magazine, are advising owners to submit their applications as early as possible in their appropriate window to allow the agency time to process and mail the new registrations. The FAA, which maintains information on 357,000 aircraft in its registry, said that nearly one third are no longer eligible for registration because of incorrect addresses or other registration errors, aircraft inactivity or disposal and/or revoked certificates.
This new ruling could result in the cancellation of registration of more than 100,000 aircraft over the next three years.
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Looks like we'll need to go down the compliance route. Does anyone have a copy of ops manual plus other relevant docs, suitable for use or adaptation to use in an piston air charter operation?
I don't want to re-invent the wheel!
Thanks
BVM
I don't want to re-invent the wheel!
Thanks
BVM
