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Old 3rd Oct 2008, 09:41
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Phil, you said:
Two nations separated by a different sense of humour !!

Actually, I thought your comment ("I preferred this thread when it was funny") was really funny. It made me laugh. That's all I was trying to say.

So maybe not such a different sense of humour afterall?
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Old 3rd Oct 2008, 18:21
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Well seeing as this thread is already going off topic (probably a good thing given some of the responses) I once flew with a very serious Austrian training captain.

After a few days he asked me in a teutonic monotone what my objectives were for the rest of the tour. "To teach you a sense of humour because you are Austrian and don't have one".

There was a pause during which I was sure I'd gone too far then he replied "Ja. I know".

Which was pretty bloody funny I thought. Funnier even than Phil
 
Old 3rd Oct 2008, 20:43
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Funnily (?) enough this accident reports ties together the subjects of crappy captaincy and high-altitude hijinks.

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2007/AAR0701.pdf


2151:51
CAM-2 thereís four one oh my man.
...
2152:04
CAM-2 [sound of laughing] this is * great.
2152:09
...
2152:12
CAM-2 [sound of laughing]
2152:16
CAM-1 youíll get the youíll do the next one to say four one oh. * yeah baby.
...
2152:35
CAM-2 is that seal on the liquor cabinet? [sound of laughing]
...
2154:06
CAM-2 [sound of laughing]
2154:07
CAM-1 .weíre losing here. weíre gonna be # coming down in a second here dude.
2154:09
CAM-2 [sound of laughing]
2154:10
CAM-1 this thing ainít gonna # hold altitude. is it?
2154:16
CAM-2 it canít man. we # (cruised/greased) up here but it wonít stay.
...
2154:38
CAM [sound similar to stick shaker]
...
2155:39
CAM [sound of chime, similar to master caution alert]
...
2156:33
CAM-1 double engine failure. you holding altitude?
2156:39
CAM-2 ahh no Iím not.
...
2215:05
CAS .whoop whoop pull up.
2215:06
CAM [sound similar to impacts]
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Old 3rd Oct 2008, 21:11
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733, not you, I was talking about the yanks, you obviously have a finely developed sense of humour, I guess you are just visiting then?
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Old 3rd Oct 2008, 21:16
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EGHH.

Ok, I can see the crappy captain connection but where do the high altitude high jinks fit in?


Maybe I'm slowing down in my old age.
 
Old 4th Oct 2008, 15:48
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Flinty, he is reffering to the core lock of the CRJ, when 2 pilots took the aircraft above the ceiling for the weight, changing seats in flight and so on...and finally crashed..

If the thread has to drift to High altitude flying, and the like, then it has to be restricted to people flying above FL450 routinely...

This is leaving a lot of persons behind but this very little place of atmosphere of 6000 ft ( FL450 to FL 510) is a very privileged area; a bit like CAT3B landings in Bizjets, there is 3 groups, the one who will never see it or do it; the one's whow speak about it without actually flown them, and the one's whom are flying them or flew them..

Now, CRM is equally important on that day, what are you showing to your green copilot ? ( not so green in a CAT3B ) your leg mate ? or Part A states that this is mine . Sorry I cannot give you the landing there is only one HUD , and it is on my side, but please call the deviations
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Old 4th Oct 2008, 18:44
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I know what he's referring to, I'm having trouble understanding why it was introduced to this thread.

I thought most of us were discussing low-houred FO's (apart from those willy-waving about Gulfstreams).
 
Old 4th Oct 2008, 19:36
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Just a guess, but perhaps that post was about "cowboy" captains and FOs not wise/smart/experienced enough to say "no".
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Old 4th Oct 2008, 20:26
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Frankly reddo I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be anything, it was such a strange offering.


Remember children. DPP.
 
Old 4th Oct 2008, 20:43
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DPP.
I do my best work when in that state.
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Old 5th Oct 2008, 06:21
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May be because of the orrendous unsafe altitude of Four one oh which is quoted
"2152:16
CAM-1 youíll get the youíll do the next one to say four one oh. * yeah baby."

and yall come back dudes....
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Old 5th Oct 2008, 06:49
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CL300

I should have known better.

You are one of those "sky gods" from that outfit with HO in Lisbon aren't you?

At your age you should know better. You need to keep away from those sales types as they believe their own lies.

Sleep with dogs and you catch their fleas.
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Old 5th Oct 2008, 12:37
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hey Weirdo..

English is not my native language;

I'm not line training with NJE, and I have very little ties with management; I'm a regular line Captain.
However, I have been flying for 20 years in a corporate/business/charter whatever you want to call it under numerous regulations.
Now i'm suffering yearly line checks, OPC/LPC every six months, and due to my age a medical every 6 as well, I have not grey hairs, and I'm not completely bold as well ( must be genetics).

With NJE I fly the falcon 2000 EX ESy, certified to 47000 ft...however due to performance limitations and fuel reserves required I couldn't get one of ours that high, nor it was required as well. ie Max Weight to cruise at M.80 at FL470 is 28300Lbs in ISA , with a BOW of around 24500 Lbs and reserves at around 2000 Lbs this is leaving you reaching FL470 at TOD...not interesting but FL450 is achievable at 32500 Lbs then it gets interesting.
The good things with falcons is that they fly by the book, if you fly them by the book.

Regarding sales, are you reffering to manufacturer sales team?

For your religious comment about gods and the like, unfortunately I'm completely atheistic, therefore I cannot comment since my words would not depict the reality.
( ha yes bad habit from myself; when I do not know, I ask , I do not comment)
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Old 5th Oct 2008, 13:25
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All sales, come under the same umbrella.

BTW, if you are multi crew, you should be on 12 monthly medicals, should you not?. Or does that only apply up to age of 60? At 88 you are probably a little outside the window.

Your English is good, considering it is not your mother tongue.

Now what was the thread topic again?

Oh yes green s.i.c. I could not possibly comment old chap as I am one.

I shall leave you and others on this thread in peace.

Happy and safe flying.
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Old 5th Oct 2008, 17:22
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Above 40 in France, place where everything is different if it can be different; First Class medicals are due every six months...up to 65..at 88 LoL; this is the earliest I could get into PPRuNe DoB.

there is a thread open for flying above the golden altitudes...
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Old 6th Oct 2008, 13:03
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Originally Posted by Flintstone View Post
Remember children. DPP.
Oh contraire Rodney. One may have imbibed a certain volume of nectar, however

I thought it demonstrated a green/weak F/O being lead straight to the scene of the accident by a shall we say substandard captain and perhaps making captains think about just how much "green" F/Os can soak up and be swept along by their attitude and habits.

This incident is also the first thing that comes to my mind when I hear an impending willy waving contest about ceilings. Look where it got these chaps...

Anyway having dug my hole I shall retreat to within the same forthwith.
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Old 6th Oct 2008, 13:26
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I was the ultra green FO in a part 91 operation, starting back in January. I was fortunate to be flying with a very experienced CA who sincerely wanted to bring me along.

Starting with the radios, flaps and gear (when I could find the levers, switches, buttons, etc in a timely manner), he kept adding just a little more each time as I caught on. He knew I wanted to learn and do a good job and willing answered my many questions. Eventually he started giving me legs to fly.

For me having a captain that's wants his FO to succeed and grow has been great. It's the attitude that's important. You experienced guys have a great opportunity. I'm guessing most of you will be mentors like my captain has been. Unfortunately there are also a few self important bullies out there. I feel sorry for their FOs.

BTW, we've done FL450 (max. ceiling in the LJ35) where it made sense. Big fuel savings, that's for sure!
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Old 6th Oct 2008, 17:57
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Originally Posted by EGHH
I thought it demonstrated a green/weak F/O being lead straight to the scene of the accident by a shall we say substandard captain and perhaps making captains think about just how much "green" F/Os can soak up and be swept along by their attitude and habits.
Ahh, okay. If you know a bit of background to the incident I can see that. I just read it as a couple of idiots frigging around and couldn't see the connection with this thr................................ on the other hand though



Originally Posted by EGHH
Anyway having dug my hole I shall retreat to within the same forthwith.
No, no. Don't go. I'm intrigued by this nectar of which you speak. Does it come with a little umbrella and a cherry?
 

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