Netjets Pilots out in the cold
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Netjets Pilots out in the cold
London based netjets crews have been kicked out of their parking at Parking Express by BAA who have decided that as Netjets operate so few aircraft from LHR that they are not entitled to crew parking.
The pilots were given no notice by their HR department despite the fact that negotiations had been going on for a couple of months.
Thursday 25th, all london based crews received an e-mail from the company stating that parking privelidges had been withdrawn the day before. (the 24th) Furthermore they were requested to return all passes and cards or a £30 charge would be levied.
I understand no alternative arrangement has been put in place.
This left a number of crews in a most awkward situation as you can imagine.
OUTSTANDING!!!!
The pilots were given no notice by their HR department despite the fact that negotiations had been going on for a couple of months.
Thursday 25th, all london based crews received an e-mail from the company stating that parking privelidges had been withdrawn the day before. (the 24th) Furthermore they were requested to return all passes and cards or a £30 charge would be levied.
I understand no alternative arrangement has been put in place.
This left a number of crews in a most awkward situation as you can imagine.
OUTSTANDING!!!!
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Now calm down please, as there is light at the end of the tunnel.
I have just the solution for your problem.
TAKE PUBLIC TRANSPORT!!
There are enough cars on the road and you chaps may then do your bit for the environment.
I have just the solution for your problem.
TAKE PUBLIC TRANSPORT!!
There are enough cars on the road and you chaps may then do your bit for the environment.
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Yeah, 06:30 airline and how do I get to the airport? Where I live, it is just not possible to take public transport but, thanks for the advice weirdo.
This was not HR's finest hour. They let us down in a MASSIVE way and there seems to be no solution other than Purple Parking. In fact, Purple Parking is cheaper than the staff car park .......but it is so far away from the airport it's joke.
I spoke to scheduling and they were suffering with all the problems this caused. HR and under pressure and have yet to reply to my emails.
This was not HR's finest hour. They let us down in a MASSIVE way and there seems to be no solution other than Purple Parking. In fact, Purple Parking is cheaper than the staff car park .......but it is so far away from the airport it's joke.
I spoke to scheduling and they were suffering with all the problems this caused. HR and under pressure and have yet to reply to my emails.
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Just to clarify, this is only LHR. All other London based guys and girls are unaffected.
Buzz
ps, I have used public transport for every tour of my NJE career to date (LTN based).
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ps, I have used public transport for every tour of my NJE career to date (LTN based).
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I think the issue most Netjets crew have with this is the way in which it was (mis)handled by their company.
BAA first notified Lisbon in July I believe yet the company gave their crew no idea that this might happen until the day after the arrangement had been withdrawn. Some people were away on tour and their cars were in the BAA car-park. Mayhem ensued as nobody had seen fit to inform other departments within Netjets so crew transport had no idea where to meet people.
Nothing changes in Lisbon then
BAA first notified Lisbon in July I believe yet the company gave their crew no idea that this might happen until the day after the arrangement had been withdrawn. Some people were away on tour and their cars were in the BAA car-park. Mayhem ensued as nobody had seen fit to inform other departments within Netjets so crew transport had no idea where to meet people.
Nothing changes in Lisbon then
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Thanks for the clarity. Yes it was the lack of notice that caused all the problems. The Heathrow based pilot corp organised the Crew Parking deal with BAA in 2003/4 when Harrods kicked us out but, they would only issue the par park pass through the company. So, that's how HR got involved. All dealings have been from BAA via HR.
I don't really give much of a toss if BAA chuck us out, it's the lack of notice (-1 day) that caused all the problems. We will sort our own deal again at Heathrow...
As for public transport to LHR...... it's a joke from my direction. It's good from M4 corridor and central London (tube), everything else is very poor. If I used public transport it would take over 2 hours to travel the 50 miles.
I don't really give much of a toss if BAA chuck us out, it's the lack of notice (-1 day) that caused all the problems. We will sort our own deal again at Heathrow...
As for public transport to LHR...... it's a joke from my direction. It's good from M4 corridor and central London (tube), everything else is very poor. If I used public transport it would take over 2 hours to travel the 50 miles.
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Capt. Crash, you mention, 'we will sort our own deal again'.
If there is anything any of us LHR based crew can do to help with this process, let us know as the cancellation of Parking Express is a huge headache for me.
Cheers.
If there is anything any of us LHR based crew can do to help with this process, let us know as the cancellation of Parking Express is a huge headache for me.
Cheers.
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Dear colleagues,
wouldn't it be better to discuss this kind of stuff in our private forum (****************)?
I don't really think the general public should be included in this discussion.
Just my 2 cents.
Hope that everything will work out for you.
Best regards
CHR!S
wouldn't it be better to discuss this kind of stuff in our private forum (****************)?
I don't really think the general public should be included in this discussion.
Just my 2 cents.
Hope that everything will work out for you.
Best regards
CHR!S
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Not only Parking screw up by HR. Net Jets still HAS NO PENSION PLAN!
And seat lock in Large fleet (G5 & 7x) is now confirmed to be 5 years. Better than the 6 that was expected but still quite a few if you arent too happy!
And seat lock in Large fleet (G5 & 7x) is now confirmed to be 5 years. Better than the 6 that was expected but still quite a few if you arent too happy!
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Netjets Europe pilots out in the cold. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!
You mean you don't have the mental capacity to book a car parking space online? It really is simple, infact i've just tried it and you can do it with just an hours notice (not LHR based, just wanted to see if it could be done). I even went as far as joining the Purple Parking members club and got a discount and that took me all of 5 minutes.
I'll let others make a judgement on the above rather than giving you the abuse you (if i'm honest) deserve. Netjets didn't kick you out BAA did, so take issue with them. A change like this is always going to cause disruption, even if you had a years notice i get the impression that wouldn't be long enough.
Put it on your company credit card and argue about it later if you really want to make it into the big issue it isn't.
Furthermore if you had the inclination you would ALREADY KNOW how you could park for free at Heathrow, and as cost has been mentioned you obviously don't. So here's an idea, why not less lip flapping and more brainwork.
Whinge whinge whinge, IT IS BORING.
Suchiman, with respect don't go to the G or 7x then if your not happy with the seatlock period. What seatlock do you suggest? I'll be joining the G soon and don't have a problem with it.
You mean you don't have the mental capacity to book a car parking space online? It really is simple, infact i've just tried it and you can do it with just an hours notice (not LHR based, just wanted to see if it could be done). I even went as far as joining the Purple Parking members club and got a discount and that took me all of 5 minutes.
I'll let others make a judgement on the above rather than giving you the abuse you (if i'm honest) deserve. Netjets didn't kick you out BAA did, so take issue with them. A change like this is always going to cause disruption, even if you had a years notice i get the impression that wouldn't be long enough.
Put it on your company credit card and argue about it later if you really want to make it into the big issue it isn't.
Furthermore if you had the inclination you would ALREADY KNOW how you could park for free at Heathrow, and as cost has been mentioned you obviously don't. So here's an idea, why not less lip flapping and more brainwork.
Whinge whinge whinge, IT IS BORING.
Suchiman, with respect don't go to the G or 7x then if your not happy with the seatlock period. What seatlock do you suggest? I'll be joining the G soon and don't have a problem with it.
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So all in all i'm a T**T on a grand scale??? All in all, you only made reference to one thing i said and that was not sharing the free parking informtion. All in all, i'm confused. Getting a rebate from BAA (which i think you should get by the way) aint anything to do with me guvnor!
I have shared the information with you, we do know each other and i have told you over beers, MORE THAN ONCE mate. I've also put the information on JB. There is a reason (not illegal) why i'm not going to post the information on a public website, i will re-post on JB for you.
Just a question though, if the people concerned had called their FM or the SOF and said i'm going to miss my airline because of the difficulties (followed by the numerous ferries/revenues which would have to be changed) what do you think he would say? Put it on your CCC, make sure you get the airline and we'll sort it later. Not a long term solution granted
Pain in the ass? yes
Is there a solution in the short term? yes
Netjets pilots out in the cold? only if you want to be
So all in all i'm a T**T on a grand scale??? All in all, you only made reference to one thing i said and that was not sharing the free parking informtion. All in all, i'm confused. Getting a rebate from BAA (which i think you should get by the way) aint anything to do with me guvnor!
I have shared the information with you, we do know each other and i have told you over beers, MORE THAN ONCE mate. I've also put the information on JB. There is a reason (not illegal) why i'm not going to post the information on a public website, i will re-post on JB for you.
Just a question though, if the people concerned had called their FM or the SOF and said i'm going to miss my airline because of the difficulties (followed by the numerous ferries/revenues which would have to be changed) what do you think he would say? Put it on your CCC, make sure you get the airline and we'll sort it later. Not a long term solution granted
Pain in the ass? yes
Is there a solution in the short term? yes
Netjets pilots out in the cold? only if you want to be
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Yeah, what about public Transport?
Is there any kind of train system connected to the airport in question, because heres the example I want to use. At Brisbane Airport (Australia) Virgin Blue have given all their employees annual passes for the local "Airtrain", which is an express City-Airport service.
Possible Solution?
Is there any kind of train system connected to the airport in question, because heres the example I want to use. At Brisbane Airport (Australia) Virgin Blue have given all their employees annual passes for the local "Airtrain", which is an express City-Airport service.
Possible Solution?
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BRJC.
Virgin Blue at Brisbane and the situation here are completely different. I'm guessing you don't know how Netjets use Heathrow.
Firstly Netjets do not have a 'base' in the traditional sense. Crew travel to meet the aircraft at the beginning of each tour so often need to park up then catch an airline. Very, very occasionally they might fly their own aircraft out of Heathrow but not enough to call that airport their base. In six years with them I only once began a tour as crew from there.
Neither BAA nor Netjets will 'give' anything to these crew, not even parking and that's throughout Europe not just London. Also the layout at Heathrow makes parking and getting to a terminal a bit of a pain. They also need to co-ordinate with external crew transport companies where to be picked up so until some agreement is reached you'll have crew parking at any one of half a dozen different places within a ten mile radius. If you have three crew and they all use different parking companies........you can see the problem.
Public transport often won't work because nine times out of ten they'll be on one of the first airline flights of the day. Some crew live up to 100 miles from Heathrow and public transport, particularly if they live on the 'other' side of London which is a big place, not some two-dog town like Brisbane
, just isn't viable.
I'm sure the Netjets boys and girls appreciate your simple solution but it just wouldn't work here.
Virgin Blue at Brisbane and the situation here are completely different. I'm guessing you don't know how Netjets use Heathrow.
Firstly Netjets do not have a 'base' in the traditional sense. Crew travel to meet the aircraft at the beginning of each tour so often need to park up then catch an airline. Very, very occasionally they might fly their own aircraft out of Heathrow but not enough to call that airport their base. In six years with them I only once began a tour as crew from there.
Neither BAA nor Netjets will 'give' anything to these crew, not even parking and that's throughout Europe not just London. Also the layout at Heathrow makes parking and getting to a terminal a bit of a pain. They also need to co-ordinate with external crew transport companies where to be picked up so until some agreement is reached you'll have crew parking at any one of half a dozen different places within a ten mile radius. If you have three crew and they all use different parking companies........you can see the problem.
Public transport often won't work because nine times out of ten they'll be on one of the first airline flights of the day. Some crew live up to 100 miles from Heathrow and public transport, particularly if they live on the 'other' side of London which is a big place, not some two-dog town like Brisbane
, just isn't viable.I'm sure the Netjets boys and girls appreciate your simple solution but it just wouldn't work here.
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Brisbane as a Gateway? 
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Brisbane as Gateway.
Yes Yes Yes. Two days to get to Europe, Two to get home. That leaves two to work and hopefully one of those propping up the hotel bar. Plus how many duty hours do I have left in the week?
Oh hell, 'just realised. Positioning is not duty in NJE! That means after that looooong flight they expect me to strap the co. a/c to my ass and go flying.
Mind you, still quicker than parking at LHR and fighting the masses!
Plus how many duty hours do I have left in the week?Oh hell, 'just realised. Positioning is not duty in NJE! That means after that looooong flight they expect me to strap the co. a/c to my ass and go flying.
Mind you, still quicker than parking at LHR and fighting the masses!