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It seems a shame there's such weird people out there like Samishark: they make such harsh accustations then dissapear into cyberspace. I wonder in this case, is it the problem with the person more so than the company?
Since my last post i've been in touch with people that work there and they're pretty happy with the whole gig. In fact, they're very happy.
Drop me a PM if you like. I think samishark may have been a case of falling short of the measuring stick. There's been some pretty interesting people let go there lately and it sounds like the company is better for it.
Samishark, I've heard about your emails sent to internal company addresses - you really know how to go bellow the belt, you may have a gripe to bear but in many ways you should be ashamed with your action's. Using other peoples personas as a scapegoat is just about as low as it gets.
You should be ashamed samishark and I please: I stand to be corrected.
It seems a shame there's such weird people out there like Samishark: they make such harsh accustations then dissapear into cyberspace. I wonder in this case, is it the problem with the person more so than the company?
Since my last post i've been in touch with people that work there and they're pretty happy with the whole gig. In fact, they're very happy.
Drop me a PM if you like. I think samishark may have been a case of falling short of the measuring stick. There's been some pretty interesting people let go there lately and it sounds like the company is better for it.
Samishark, I've heard about your emails sent to internal company addresses - you really know how to go bellow the belt, you may have a gripe to bear but in many ways you should be ashamed with your action's. Using other peoples personas as a scapegoat is just about as low as it gets.
You should be ashamed samishark and I please: I stand to be corrected.
It all comes down to perspective and expectations.
Do NOT come here thinking it is bigger, better, faster, higher, blah blah blah.
If you are leaving a part 91/135 operator on a 550 that flies from party to party, where you get $1000 in slip money at every stop then you are going to be sadly disappointed.
If you think that the salary is not enough for you then don’t sign on the bottom line, if you think you can make $1000 or more a day freelancing form gig to gig back home then, this place is not for you.
If you are the kind of person that cant entertain yourself without a drink in your hand or cant handle relative isolation then its not for you either.
HOWEVER
At NJME you earn a tax free salary year round paid every month not always looking over your shoulder for the next gig. The salary is not the highest but if your lifestyle does not exceed your means then you can live very well.
Once you are in the system it runs like clock work then you have got past stage 1.
If you have a life outside of flying then this is the right place, the 35/31 rotation is very very good if you have a life. That is, at the end of your on tour, you turn off your company phone and you have 4 weeks to do what ever you want, sit on the beach and drink cold corona’s watch the sun slip over the horizon……, play with your kids, rebuild that car you have been promising yourself since you were 19, go skiing…. (insert water/snow/sand/cockpit….as you like), jump in an Extra and scare the bejesus out of yourself.
Then at the end of your 4 weeks turn your company phone on a couple days before your due to come back on rotation, have your bag packet because the next time it rings it will be.
“Captain are you ready for your travel briefing”
NOW REPEAT THE ABOVE FIVE TIMES A YEAR!……….. you have passed stage 2.
Get it into your head before you come here it is like any other job in the middle east, you are just a chauffer nothing but hired help. But with one difference.
You come here with two buckets, a brown bucket and a gold bucket. Which ever bucket fills first is the one you take. You can take home a bucket of brown or a bucket of gold it all depends on your perspective and expectations.
So in summary, if you have been pushing 900hrs per year flogging a clapped out CRJ around the skys living on little more than food stamps or if you have been push a geriatric jet held together by speed tape and chicken wire around the dark parts of Africa.
Then this job is like heaven and everyday the sun goes down over FAL and the witching hour has passed, is another day closer to that cold corona on the beach.
But if, you expect to have your ass kissed from FAL to France and back again because you’re the sky god who has flown everything every where and you last job was so much better……….. please just take the brown bucket and go back to your own planet.
It is not the US or even Europe, it’s Saudi Arabia where the current year is 1429!
OR
Decent salary, 5 block months holiday per year and generally a pretty good bunch of fellow expats to work with….. take the gold bucket.
Like I said it all come down to perspective and expectations.
Do NOT come here thinking it is bigger, better, faster, higher, blah blah blah.
If you are leaving a part 91/135 operator on a 550 that flies from party to party, where you get $1000 in slip money at every stop then you are going to be sadly disappointed.
If you think that the salary is not enough for you then don’t sign on the bottom line, if you think you can make $1000 or more a day freelancing form gig to gig back home then, this place is not for you.
If you are the kind of person that cant entertain yourself without a drink in your hand or cant handle relative isolation then its not for you either.
HOWEVER
At NJME you earn a tax free salary year round paid every month not always looking over your shoulder for the next gig. The salary is not the highest but if your lifestyle does not exceed your means then you can live very well.
Once you are in the system it runs like clock work then you have got past stage 1.
If you have a life outside of flying then this is the right place, the 35/31 rotation is very very good if you have a life. That is, at the end of your on tour, you turn off your company phone and you have 4 weeks to do what ever you want, sit on the beach and drink cold corona’s watch the sun slip over the horizon……, play with your kids, rebuild that car you have been promising yourself since you were 19, go skiing…. (insert water/snow/sand/cockpit….as you like), jump in an Extra and scare the bejesus out of yourself.
Then at the end of your 4 weeks turn your company phone on a couple days before your due to come back on rotation, have your bag packet because the next time it rings it will be.
“Captain are you ready for your travel briefing”
NOW REPEAT THE ABOVE FIVE TIMES A YEAR!……….. you have passed stage 2.
Get it into your head before you come here it is like any other job in the middle east, you are just a chauffer nothing but hired help. But with one difference.
You come here with two buckets, a brown bucket and a gold bucket. Which ever bucket fills first is the one you take. You can take home a bucket of brown or a bucket of gold it all depends on your perspective and expectations.
So in summary, if you have been pushing 900hrs per year flogging a clapped out CRJ around the skys living on little more than food stamps or if you have been push a geriatric jet held together by speed tape and chicken wire around the dark parts of Africa.
Then this job is like heaven and everyday the sun goes down over FAL and the witching hour has passed, is another day closer to that cold corona on the beach.
But if, you expect to have your ass kissed from FAL to France and back again because you’re the sky god who has flown everything every where and you last job was so much better……….. please just take the brown bucket and go back to your own planet.
It is not the US or even Europe, it’s Saudi Arabia where the current year is 1429!
OR
Decent salary, 5 block months holiday per year and generally a pretty good bunch of fellow expats to work with….. take the gold bucket.
Like I said it all come down to perspective and expectations.
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Well Said and well written! The hard part of the job however is gettin on that "buddy list" I personally know two members of management. NOT IMPRESSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But hey I can agree with just what you wrote!
But hey I can agree with just what you wrote!
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Hey Chaps,
Sorry to interupt the pissing match. I'm very intrested in the job, in the future. What is the inital medical exam like? How was the tech and sim ride? Thanks for the info. I realize they're not hiring right now. Cheers.
JEH
Sorry to interupt the pissing match. I'm very intrested in the job, in the future. What is the inital medical exam like? How was the tech and sim ride? Thanks for the info. I realize they're not hiring right now. Cheers.
JEH
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No not quite.
The Netjets part of the interview was both fair and practical. However when the the other half got hold of the reins, I found things rather strange. I had the distinct impression they were looking for academics and not pilots. I would have expected the examination they set, more applicable to a NASA interview, rather than a pilot based in a **** hole like the KSA.
I queried the sense of such and examination with the invigilator and he just smiled. I then decided to "let them go" and quietly excused myself.
I hope that makes sense as NAS certainly was not making any sense to me.
Now if you can tell me if an examination such as that, is a way to screen a reasonable operator, then I am am very keen to hear what you have to say.
BTW I hold both JAA ATPl and FAA ATP.
The Netjets part of the interview was both fair and practical. However when the the other half got hold of the reins, I found things rather strange. I had the distinct impression they were looking for academics and not pilots. I would have expected the examination they set, more applicable to a NASA interview, rather than a pilot based in a **** hole like the KSA.
I queried the sense of such and examination with the invigilator and he just smiled. I then decided to "let them go" and quietly excused myself.
I hope that makes sense as NAS certainly was not making any sense to me.
Now if you can tell me if an examination such as that, is a way to screen a reasonable operator, then I am am very keen to hear what you have to say.
BTW I hold both JAA ATPl and FAA ATP.
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Joe, Don't confuse Netjets with NAS, the pilot hiring for NJME is done by NJME staff, and has nothing to do with NAS pilot hiring. If you are interviewed by NAS, you will not be applying for a job at NJME.
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Sorry, you are wrong.
The job I applied for and was interviewed for was NJME. Had an interview with 2 Netjets people then a sim ride. NAS came in with this ridiculous test, that told me really all I wanted to know about them. Now I don't know what the tie up was with the two outfits, then or now and don't care anymore.
Just telling my side of a story. As I had a job and still do, it was no loss to me whatsoever. A day out in Paris and tied it in with other work.
Sorry, you are wrong.
The job I applied for and was interviewed for was NJME. Had an interview with 2 Netjets people then a sim ride. NAS came in with this ridiculous test, that told me really all I wanted to know about them. Now I don't know what the tie up was with the two outfits, then or now and don't care anymore.
Just telling my side of a story. As I had a job and still do, it was no loss to me whatsoever. A day out in Paris and tied it in with other work.
Question Joe,
When were you interviewed as in month year and that will explain a lot to us.
B200 & I have had a very different experience than you.
The new CP and previous CP who is now DFO.... are both very reasonable people but the can sniff out bull###t a mile away.
Believe me when they smell blood in the water you dont want to be there.
But if NAS has pushed a spaceshuttle examdown their throat, i had nothing to do with NJME.
When were you interviewed as in month year and that will explain a lot to us.
B200 & I have had a very different experience than you.
The new CP and previous CP who is now DFO.... are both very reasonable people but the can sniff out bull###t a mile away.
Believe me when they smell blood in the water you dont want to be there.
But if NAS has pushed a spaceshuttle examdown their throat, i had nothing to do with NJME.
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Is the new CP or DFO a certain Gentleman from NZ, first initial D....... Top rugger bloke??
If so, he should be doing fine.... great operator, great guy!
If so, he should be doing fine.... great operator, great guy!
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As I said I had nothing against the NJME part of the interview.
The panel consisted of an American, built like Arnold Schwarzenegger and what could be described as a "very senior" F/A. This sim session was also practical and fair, conducted by a young Englishman.
I also can sniff out b/s further than you think that is why I walked out. I have not seen or heard anything since about the behaviour of the tie up in JED, that has changed my mind.
"Believe me when they smell blood in the water you don't want to be there." So what you're saying is they rule with an iron fist and by fear? If so, how archaic.
Let me run this pass you one more time. I applied for a position as a Captain with NJME, got it? This was the advertised position but I would have been offered a position as a F/O had I been "successful" at interview as it turned out. The goal posts had changed already from that of advertised, so that sealed it for me. The "space shuttle" examination, by the partner of the joint venture, was the final straw.
If they jerk people around when they are looking for crews, then what the hell are they going to be like when they don't want crews?
Let's say we all did each other a good turn.
As I said I had nothing against the NJME part of the interview.
The panel consisted of an American, built like Arnold Schwarzenegger and what could be described as a "very senior" F/A. This sim session was also practical and fair, conducted by a young Englishman.
I also can sniff out b/s further than you think that is why I walked out. I have not seen or heard anything since about the behaviour of the tie up in JED, that has changed my mind.
"Believe me when they smell blood in the water you don't want to be there." So what you're saying is they rule with an iron fist and by fear? If so, how archaic.
Let me run this pass you one more time. I applied for a position as a Captain with NJME, got it? This was the advertised position but I would have been offered a position as a F/O had I been "successful" at interview as it turned out. The goal posts had changed already from that of advertised, so that sealed it for me. The "space shuttle" examination, by the partner of the joint venture, was the final straw.
If they jerk people around when they are looking for crews, then what the hell are they going to be like when they don't want crews?
Let's say we all did each other a good turn.
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Kent BeTrue..... yes you are correct, 100% correct
"Believe me when they smell blood in the water you don't want to be there." So what you're saying is they rule with an iron fist and by fear? If so, how archaic.
Absolutely not, the changes happening now are long overdue and very welcomed by the majority of us down here, but if you try and sneak one bit of B/S by them .......... you are out and deservedly.
They have one of the best open door policies I have ever operated, before there were no post holders, now there are.
We have fleet managers, who are there to filter, and a CP & a DP all who in my experience answer the phone when you call (not that I need to) when available. Even out of the 10am meeting the only time you cant get them, is when they are in the pointy end themselves.
Makes a very welcome change.
I have to say that you may have interviewed for a DE position, but it is NJ policy... "NOW" that everyone goes into the right seat for inspection.
This has come about by the occurrence of issues that have appeared as crews have checked to line. This has not been limited to any particular group of people however some are not cutting the mustard as expected.
The new CP has raised the bar and rightly so, there are no more easy rides.
You know your stuff or you dont, if you cant poop get off the pot.
If you believe the goal posts have been moved thats one thing, we see the bar being raised. NJME now is not the NJME of 5 or even 2 years ago.
The place is in my view changed, and for the good of everyone.
"Believe me when they smell blood in the water you don't want to be there." So what you're saying is they rule with an iron fist and by fear? If so, how archaic.
Absolutely not, the changes happening now are long overdue and very welcomed by the majority of us down here, but if you try and sneak one bit of B/S by them .......... you are out and deservedly.
They have one of the best open door policies I have ever operated, before there were no post holders, now there are.
We have fleet managers, who are there to filter, and a CP & a DP all who in my experience answer the phone when you call (not that I need to) when available. Even out of the 10am meeting the only time you cant get them, is when they are in the pointy end themselves.
Makes a very welcome change.
I have to say that you may have interviewed for a DE position, but it is NJ policy... "NOW" that everyone goes into the right seat for inspection.
This has come about by the occurrence of issues that have appeared as crews have checked to line. This has not been limited to any particular group of people however some are not cutting the mustard as expected.
The new CP has raised the bar and rightly so, there are no more easy rides.
You know your stuff or you dont, if you cant poop get off the pot.
If you believe the goal posts have been moved thats one thing, we see the bar being raised. NJME now is not the NJME of 5 or even 2 years ago.
The place is in my view changed, and for the good of everyone.
