New FBO at Southend
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New FBO at Southend
Following the ads in EBAN for 'expressions of interest' in setting up an FBO at Southend, does anybody have any info on which companies have thrown their hats into the ring...?
Anybody else think it's a bit of a shame that 'preference will be given to experienced international FBO networks', ie the usual suspects...?
Cynical, moi?
Thanks.
Anybody else think it's a bit of a shame that 'preference will be given to experienced international FBO networks', ie the usual suspects...?
Cynical, moi?
Thanks.
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It is only a matter of time that an established FBO moves in or at least looks at having an extra base near London.
Most FBO's (LTN,LCY,FAB,STN ETC) are bursting at the seams and are constantly maxed out.
Southend seems to be a good option. Be interesting to find out who gets in first.
TnB
Most FBO's (LTN,LCY,FAB,STN ETC) are bursting at the seams and are constantly maxed out.
Southend seems to be a good option. Be interesting to find out who gets in first.
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Certainly haven't heard of any news yet but would agree with TUGNBAR that a full service FBO set up is definately required there.
The fact is that the location requires investment. The existing airport operator has a prime FBO site in the terminal building and the adjacent development area next to it. But THEY don't seem to be prepared to put any their own money into a hangar and more focussed FBO set up. Strangely enough though they seem prepared to run an FBO and flaunt plans for a hangar at Biggin Hill! It is a fact that even the airport operator has the mistaken view that good old SEN is just fit for maintenance traffic along with possible pax and freight flights.
It is the major FBO players at Luton, Farnborough and Stansted that are facing the capacity issues. It would seem common sense for one of them to set up a satellite FBO in the London area to park up some of the dead metal that clogs their ramps. The added bonus is that you end up with an FBO that is at an H24 airport with a direct rail link through to Stratford International for the 2012 Olympics.
It is the major players that seem to make the best job of pulling in the traffic and providing the facilities at Luton and suchlike. To such an extent that they are rammed to capacity, with no room to expand and turning traffic away.
I think I have just convinced myself of the case to do it! Better go and get myself a bank loan
The fact is that the location requires investment. The existing airport operator has a prime FBO site in the terminal building and the adjacent development area next to it. But THEY don't seem to be prepared to put any their own money into a hangar and more focussed FBO set up. Strangely enough though they seem prepared to run an FBO and flaunt plans for a hangar at Biggin Hill! It is a fact that even the airport operator has the mistaken view that good old SEN is just fit for maintenance traffic along with possible pax and freight flights.
It is the major FBO players at Luton, Farnborough and Stansted that are facing the capacity issues. It would seem common sense for one of them to set up a satellite FBO in the London area to park up some of the dead metal that clogs their ramps. The added bonus is that you end up with an FBO that is at an H24 airport with a direct rail link through to Stratford International for the 2012 Olympics.
It is the major players that seem to make the best job of pulling in the traffic and providing the facilities at Luton and suchlike. To such an extent that they are rammed to capacity, with no room to expand and turning traffic away.
I think I have just convinced myself of the case to do it! Better go and get myself a bank loan
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The main plank of any business plan would be that:
Luton is absolutely saturated and happens to be turning away 14+ pieces of metal a day. Next year they will be turning away 30 aircraft a day and without anymore ramp there is nothing anyone can do about it. They can just watch their traffic spill over the top off a full bucket.
Farnborough is doing a lovely job but is reaching the threshold in movements that its planning restrictions impose. Oh, and it is also hampered by pants operating hours. Weekend ops are a joke which is why some of their residents end up hopping into other airports.
London City, well this tiny little airport is maxed out. It is at the point where they would love to attract more schedules but don't have the ramp space. Also they will never attract large scale operations of Gulfstreams, Challengers, Embraers, Global Express and suchlike.
Stansted is lapping up the traffic that Luton are sending their way for now, but it is a single runway airport with explosive airline growth. We all know that airport operators seek to distance themselves from business jet activity if it uses up runway slots and stops pax passing through the BAA shopping malls, oopps I mean terminal!
Biggin Hill is a handy bolt hole for some but hampered by limited operating hours and local restrictions and a bunch of local residents that don't want to see any development there.
Northolt is Northolt and although close to London is doing as much as it will do under MOD restrictions.
Southend, H24, cutsoms, immigration, tons of ramp space, development plots, cheap aircraft parking and operating environment. For many years has been too far from London but is now close enough to get a look in
It so happens that all of these circumstances coincide with absolute boom time for business aviation with record orders and deliveries into Europe.
After 30 years out in the cold Southend is about to come of age, the 2012 Olympics is just the icing on the cake and everyone knows I love cake!
Luton is absolutely saturated and happens to be turning away 14+ pieces of metal a day. Next year they will be turning away 30 aircraft a day and without anymore ramp there is nothing anyone can do about it. They can just watch their traffic spill over the top off a full bucket.
Farnborough is doing a lovely job but is reaching the threshold in movements that its planning restrictions impose. Oh, and it is also hampered by pants operating hours. Weekend ops are a joke which is why some of their residents end up hopping into other airports.
London City, well this tiny little airport is maxed out. It is at the point where they would love to attract more schedules but don't have the ramp space. Also they will never attract large scale operations of Gulfstreams, Challengers, Embraers, Global Express and suchlike.
Stansted is lapping up the traffic that Luton are sending their way for now, but it is a single runway airport with explosive airline growth. We all know that airport operators seek to distance themselves from business jet activity if it uses up runway slots and stops pax passing through the BAA shopping malls, oopps I mean terminal!
Biggin Hill is a handy bolt hole for some but hampered by limited operating hours and local restrictions and a bunch of local residents that don't want to see any development there.
Northolt is Northolt and although close to London is doing as much as it will do under MOD restrictions.
Southend, H24, cutsoms, immigration, tons of ramp space, development plots, cheap aircraft parking and operating environment. For many years has been too far from London but is now close enough to get a look in
It so happens that all of these circumstances coincide with absolute boom time for business aviation with record orders and deliveries into Europe.
After 30 years out in the cold Southend is about to come of age, the 2012 Olympics is just the icing on the cake and everyone knows I love cake!
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Regarding Northolt, don't blame the MOD, they and the FBO have been trying for more civil slots for ages. Its down to the local council's objections as usual.
Still, it looks like Netjets have renewed their hangar contract there. Great!
Still, it looks like Netjets have renewed their hangar contract there. Great!
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farnborough anti Everything
Dear friends .
Would you excuse be for posting on a non spotters forum
but as a Farnborough resident i think should add this.
Farnborough is very much like Biggin Hill there is a Very small group
of Residents if you can call them that are anti everything not just aviation
the town centre rebuild Happily now under way took years and years
of public enquires and the weekend movements issues went to 2 ,The
Decision according to the local rag possibly not now due until end
November. The locals going about there daily Lives rarely if Ever
notice aircraft flying over into Farnborough as for hearing them
what over the constant A325 Traffic noise no chance
one excuse that the aircraft terrorise children is laughable those
I have seen tend to Point at them and Wave as do children at trains
TONY
Farnborough resident of 45 years
Would you excuse be for posting on a non spotters forum
but as a Farnborough resident i think should add this.
Farnborough is very much like Biggin Hill there is a Very small group
of Residents if you can call them that are anti everything not just aviation
the town centre rebuild Happily now under way took years and years
of public enquires and the weekend movements issues went to 2 ,The
Decision according to the local rag possibly not now due until end
November. The locals going about there daily Lives rarely if Ever
notice aircraft flying over into Farnborough as for hearing them
what over the constant A325 Traffic noise no chance
one excuse that the aircraft terrorise children is laughable those
I have seen tend to Point at them and Wave as do children at trains
TONY
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London City, well this tiny little airport is maxed out. It is at the point where they would love to attract more schedules but don't have the ramp space. Also they will never attract large scale operations of Gulfstreams, Challengers, Embraers, Global Express and suchlike.
You obviously don't know much about LCY my friend, as these types aren't even certified to operate into that airport !!!
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Well I never did say that Gulfstream or Global Express aircraft where operating at LCY. Embraer 135 and Challenger 605 are approved, go check the airports web site. The others represent a market they would like to as demonstarted by the Gulfstream trials some years ago. The point in my case was that you will never see a situation where up to 100 aircraft of that class are parked and hangared together as at Luton and Farnborough because there is simply not the space.
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Originally Posted by Scroll Lock
You obviously don't know much about LCY my friend, as these types aren't even certified to operate into that airport !!!
Originally Posted by themoonsaballoon
Embraer Legacy is and Challenger 605 is very very close,
TMAB
TMAB
Originally Posted by HS-125
Challenger 605 is approved.
Scroll Lock. I believe the words you are looking for are 'Sorry Toxic Thrust, I was wrong'.
G'waaaaan, be a man and apologise.
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Looks like the Airport is still running the FBO facility?
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Southend are still in the mindset of wanting to keep everything for themselves. This methodology is however is starting to show the cracks. At some point they will have to relinquish some of the operational needs to outside providers.
Not too far off I think.
Not too far off I think.
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That is astonishing.
Some are rubbishing the Isle of Grain proposal but I don't think it is as daft as they are making out.
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Why? Will it be on floats? At least it would be a change from the nimbys having to move away from the airport - the airport could move away from the nimbys.
It still would be a daft place for an airport - great for anyone who lives in Essex or Kent, but ridiculous for the rest of the population.
It still would be a daft place for an airport - great for anyone who lives in Essex or Kent, but ridiculous for the rest of the population.
