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Afternoon gentlemen, could anybody please advise me on the terms and conditions at TAG.Are they all a happy bunch of chaps and do they pay for type ratings as I only have heavy jets on my licence with some smaller biz jets which they do not opperate.
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same old story.All a/care managed; so if you find a good owner and the base is acceptable, and the utilisationis ok then youre inclover. Remember Tag only manage the aircraft soyoursalary will probablybepaid by an associated with the company.
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Well, remember your'e corresponding to a typewriter who is simply doing her job. (file everything). I have 9000 hrs on 737 and am very happyto do work for them on a corporate a/c. If you want corporate ...take Tag, but check out the owner!
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well if you are airline 737 driver, they probably don't like it!
It seems to be the problem in this business!
If you are airline pilot you have hard time to get on corporate/private charter business and vice versa!
If you are business airplane pilot you might have ton of time and experience and you don't get hired with airlines! At least not the good ones!
Private field most of the time the pilots does is all!
Not just pick up the paperwork , lock the door and carry on!
That seems like the attitude in this business!
I wish the hiring people would be more professional and qualified persons to compare different experience!
Example in US, the military guy with 1500 total time in singe pilot fighter jet can get major airline job, but 9000 hours corporate pilot has hard time to get even the interview!
Of course there is also the friend factor, like an fedex in USA, if you don't have your buddies in , forget about it!
Gotta love this business.?!
If you are airline pilot you have hard time to get on corporate/private charter business and vice versa!
If you are business airplane pilot you might have ton of time and experience and you don't get hired with airlines! At least not the good ones!
Private field most of the time the pilots does is all!
Not just pick up the paperwork , lock the door and carry on!
That seems like the attitude in this business!
I wish the hiring people would be more professional and qualified persons to compare different experience!
Example in US, the military guy with 1500 total time in singe pilot fighter jet can get major airline job, but 9000 hours corporate pilot has hard time to get even the interview!
Of course there is also the friend factor, like an fedex in USA, if you don't have your buddies in , forget about it!
Gotta love this business.?!
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Why do you think it's hard to transfer from airline to corporate and vice versa?
For years the airline guys were looking down on corporate/business aviation pilots as if we were flying C150's without any rules.
I remember doing the favour of positioning an airline pilot on a ferry flight 20 years ago. He was quite surprised to see we even had Flight Directors on our Learjet !!!
For most of the old guard it hasn't changed. They are not even interested in our industry.
But now some of them realize how fun it is to fly 900hrs a year in a 1960's fashion cockpit, having to pay for your cup of tea. They think it might be better to fly 200-500hrs in a state-of-the-art technology cockpit, being served caviar before your seabass.
So they apply for a job in business aviation, thinking we will roll out the red carpet for them.
Why should we ? Because they have 5-10k hrs ? Most of them haven't even flown outside of europe, couldn't even understand a russian/thai/congolese/brazilian controller (no offense there, we all have different accents and just need to get used to them...
), haven't a clue of the amount and kind of work we have besides flying, etc...
Honestly, when I have to review a CV for possible employment, one from an active airline pilot will probably end up in the recycle bin. I would consider, however, someone who has already flown corporate/business. Having the right attitude is probably as important as experience and skill.
And, of course, recommendation from a friend is always very important.
Love this business ? Yes, but better with the right people.
For years the airline guys were looking down on corporate/business aviation pilots as if we were flying C150's without any rules.
I remember doing the favour of positioning an airline pilot on a ferry flight 20 years ago. He was quite surprised to see we even had Flight Directors on our Learjet !!!
For most of the old guard it hasn't changed. They are not even interested in our industry.
But now some of them realize how fun it is to fly 900hrs a year in a 1960's fashion cockpit, having to pay for your cup of tea. They think it might be better to fly 200-500hrs in a state-of-the-art technology cockpit, being served caviar before your seabass.
So they apply for a job in business aviation, thinking we will roll out the red carpet for them.
Why should we ? Because they have 5-10k hrs ? Most of them haven't even flown outside of europe, couldn't even understand a russian/thai/congolese/brazilian controller (no offense there, we all have different accents and just need to get used to them...
), haven't a clue of the amount and kind of work we have besides flying, etc...Honestly, when I have to review a CV for possible employment, one from an active airline pilot will probably end up in the recycle bin. I would consider, however, someone who has already flown corporate/business. Having the right attitude is probably as important as experience and skill.
And, of course, recommendation from a friend is always very important.
Love this business ? Yes, but better with the right people.
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Well written speech. I've some experience from the other side of the interview table/sim and always pay as much attention to personality as the candidates qualifications. If I'm going to spend best part of a week on the road with someone they'd damn well better be able to tell some jokes.
Even more importantly, they'd better laugh at mine.
Even more importantly, they'd better laugh at mine.
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When I was looking for my first step on the ladder after qualifying and doing 18 months instruction the only job I could get was with an airline. The corporate world wouldnt touch me as I didnt have enough multi hours......
Apparently some people on this forum wouldnt give me a job because I have only done airline work.....that is just rude!!!!....If i accepted a corporate a320 job would I then be one of the boys?
Apparently some people on this forum wouldnt give me a job because I have only done airline work.....that is just rude!!!!....If i accepted a corporate a320 job would I then be one of the boys?
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Well said, after many years in air carrier ops, and now over 18 in BIZAV, the attitude towards BIZAV from air carries folks is changing. As NBAA big bash is on this week in ATL, some air carries folks should visit to see the LARGEST SINGLE SEGMENT AVIATION CONVENTION in the world. You're welcome folks, but and a big but, your attitude has to fit! It's a great side of the industry, more experiences, and global friendships than coach/bus (not serious) driving side of the industry.
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Speech,
For your info, I am an airline pilot and always have been.
Give us some credit. I suspect the professionalism in the corporate world exceeds that of the airline world. Airline flying is very boring and repetetive. Most airlines flt ops would look archaic compared to a slick corporate outfit. Many airline pilots survive only because of routine and local knowledge.
I am looking at getting out of airline flying for these reasons and would give my left nut to land a corporate job with a good operator.
So maybe get the chip off your shoulder sport, no one I fly with looks down thier nose when a G550 taxies past.
For your info, I am an airline pilot and always have been.
Give us some credit. I suspect the professionalism in the corporate world exceeds that of the airline world. Airline flying is very boring and repetetive. Most airlines flt ops would look archaic compared to a slick corporate outfit. Many airline pilots survive only because of routine and local knowledge.
I am looking at getting out of airline flying for these reasons and would give my left nut to land a corporate job with a good operator.
So maybe get the chip off your shoulder sport, no one I fly with looks down thier nose when a G550 taxies past.
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oicur12,
That's exactly what I said.
You (ok, maybe not you, but airline guys in general...) were looking down on us when we were flying a KingAir/Citation/Learjet (I know, I flew them all). But now that we are flying G550/BBJ, all of a sudden BizAv looks interesting.
Make no mistake, it's no different now. Same job, different airplanes.
That's exactly what I said.
You (ok, maybe not you, but airline guys in general...) were looking down on us when we were flying a KingAir/Citation/Learjet (I know, I flew them all). But now that we are flying G550/BBJ, all of a sudden BizAv looks interesting.
Make no mistake, it's no different now. Same job, different airplanes.
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So, how many "airline guys" would give their "left nut" to get into the right-hand seat of the said Lear/Citation?
One of the reasons that that people are sceptical of people being able to transfer (either way) is the change of mindset that is require. MAny people find this difficult. In Corporate/charter, flying is about 20% of the job. So the other 80% needs to be learned. Yet someone with 2000 hours PIC on a 737 or A320 expects to be able to step into the left-hand seat of a Challenger 604 or G550. Hopefully, you'll have a reasonably experienced first officer to learn from... How do you feel about a bizjet captain stepping into the left-hand seat of a B737 conducting airline ops?
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One of the reasons that that people are sceptical of people being able to transfer (either way) is the change of mindset that is require. MAny people find this difficult. In Corporate/charter, flying is about 20% of the job. So the other 80% needs to be learned. Yet someone with 2000 hours PIC on a 737 or A320 expects to be able to step into the left-hand seat of a Challenger 604 or G550. Hopefully, you'll have a reasonably experienced first officer to learn from... How do you feel about a bizjet captain stepping into the left-hand seat of a B737 conducting airline ops?
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"Yet someone with 2000 hours PIC on a 737 or A320 expects to be able to step into the left-hand seat of a Challenger 604 or G550."
Yep, pretty much. An aeroplane is an aeroplane.
"How do you feel about a bizjet captain stepping into the left-hand seat of a B737 conducting airline ops?"
No problem, seen it in several airlines now. An aeroplane is an aeroplane.
The operations are different, granted. But my background was charter before airline where 80% of the job did not involve flying the aircraft. It didnt scare me then and it doesnt scare me now.
Yep, pretty much. An aeroplane is an aeroplane.
"How do you feel about a bizjet captain stepping into the left-hand seat of a B737 conducting airline ops?"
No problem, seen it in several airlines now. An aeroplane is an aeroplane.
The operations are different, granted. But my background was charter before airline where 80% of the job did not involve flying the aircraft. It didnt scare me then and it doesnt scare me now.
