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Netjets interview
Got a inviting to Netjets in Le Bourget. I'd like to prepare myself. Could anybody tell me a bit about the written test they want me to do?
Thanks in advance
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I have always been honest about NJE. It is good if you need a bit of experience or if you are unemployed or both but not for a long term career. At least for the moment. In the last 5 years, they changed the contract 3times! It is like playing cards with somebody who changes the rules before every draw.
But if you are happy SL, that is fine with me. I am not wishing any bad things to NJE. I just want to inform the newcomers honestly because some of them leave jobs that may offer better perspectives on a long term basis.
biz
But if you are happy SL, that is fine with me. I am not wishing any bad things to NJE. I just want to inform the newcomers honestly because some of them leave jobs that may offer better perspectives on a long term basis.
biz
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Scambuster,
A non-english/first language speaker mixes up a noun and it's derived adjective and you become a school mar'm? AND uses the improper pro-noun. How horrendous!
Don't be a tw@t.
A non-english/first language speaker mixes up a noun and it's derived adjective and you become a school mar'm? AND uses the improper pro-noun. How horrendous!
Don't be a tw@t.
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english
totally agree with Chippie Chappie. Not funny to bullsh.t about a second language.
We, non-native english speakers, try hard and most of the time people really understand us!
The test/interview is about aviation/personality and the ability to express yourself in english, not to be perfect in it.
Maybe it was a joke, in my opinion not funny.
Anyway fly safe!
N.
We, non-native english speakers, try hard and most of the time people really understand us!
The test/interview is about aviation/personality and the ability to express yourself in english, not to be perfect in it.
Maybe it was a joke, in my opinion not funny.
Anyway fly safe!
N.
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Originally Posted by N4641P
Listen son, how many times did the contract get changed for the worse?
1.Firstly there was the time NJE decided that even though they had employed people on an agreed salary they would cut those salaries, some by a large margin, as their figures weren't working out. Any crew objecting to this were told that their contracts would not be renewed.
2.How about when the company changed the contracted 6/5 work pattern and imposed 18 days a month?
3.Then they decided that airlining on the first and last days wasn't actually duty time.
4.Then there is the more recent imposition of tax and social contributions in Portugal and the UK. Aren't some pilots calculating that unless this changes their tax bill will be 80% of their salary?
Originally Posted by N4146P
Secondly, go to a union represented airline and you will get a change in contract every 24 months, it is called negotiating collective labour agreements. They tend to benefit the majority.
As for benefitting the majority, well let us see. Those on UK contracts are unlikely to complain for now. Those on the Portuguese contracts got screwed when that was negotiated. Sorry, did I say negotiated? I meant forced upon them by the then CEO with the words "take it or leave it". Now we have a third contract for the rest which seriously punishes some people. Why three contracts? Surely if this were negotiation to the advantage of the majority there would be one? But we are forgetting the old principle of divide and rule which NJE employ with fervour.
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But you surely have something to undermine my statement
Oh look, you did.
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Smeagel's mum wrote...
"Pilot error" whilst factually correct doesn't actually teach us any thing.
Human error, committed by a human who happens to be a pilot, is very common indeed.
It is up to operators, regulators, and designers (though not in that order), to ensure that it doesn't lead to death and destruction.
Could we please try to get the basic stuff right?
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Nay, cannay be true:
Sounds like Zimex, ve vill change your contract anytime ve vant to, ou do not haf to like it, you do not haf to vork here!
Only they issued permanent contracts,but 4 imposed changes in 4 years???
An army marches on its feet, although some say on its stomach:
You choose how you want to march.
I will invest in stout boots, over a tube of K-Y gel everytime.
H/Snort.
Only they issued permanent contracts,but 4 imposed changes in 4 years???
An army marches on its feet, although some say on its stomach:
You choose how you want to march.
I will invest in stout boots, over a tube of K-Y gel everytime.
H/Snort.
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Smeagel,
You SAY you just come on here to warn people about the nagative aspects of working for NetJets. I don't believe you. Why is it you keep writing about problems we had years ago, under very different leadership and that have for the most part been resolved?
The off-shore contract is history by the end of the year. Because the majority of pilots wanted an on-shore contract. Last time I checked we got more money, not less. Why? Because we demanded it. That paycut you keep talking about was many years ago, when the company was about a fifth of its present size. The vast majority of currently employed NetJets pilots didnt even work here then.
I do agree the situation has not been resolved yet for the Scandinavien and some other groups. If you look at the majority of pilots you will find that the contracts in place suit them well. Of course that doesn't include those that seem to think they have a right to life-long tax-evasion.
6/5? Same deal. The roster pattern had been changed a few years ago by the precious COO. You are right. He did what he wanted and couldn't care less. Current senior management is quite different, though. NO we are back to 6/5. Why? Because they listened. What relevance do your "warnings" have for sokmebody who is intending to join us now?
So, if you want to be taken seriously: How about a bit of a balanced view? I know you keep saying there is enough of us telling the ups so you need to focus on the downs but I believe that is wrong. It just makes you seem so bitter. In fact it is beyound beliefe how much time you spend coming on here and slagging the company off.
I am the first to admit that there still are a number of issues to address: pension, part time etc.
However, I am quite happy here overall and it bothers me if somebody keeps on badmouthing the company using problems from the past, not present.
You SAY you just come on here to warn people about the nagative aspects of working for NetJets. I don't believe you. Why is it you keep writing about problems we had years ago, under very different leadership and that have for the most part been resolved?
The off-shore contract is history by the end of the year. Because the majority of pilots wanted an on-shore contract. Last time I checked we got more money, not less. Why? Because we demanded it. That paycut you keep talking about was many years ago, when the company was about a fifth of its present size. The vast majority of currently employed NetJets pilots didnt even work here then.
I do agree the situation has not been resolved yet for the Scandinavien and some other groups. If you look at the majority of pilots you will find that the contracts in place suit them well. Of course that doesn't include those that seem to think they have a right to life-long tax-evasion.
6/5? Same deal. The roster pattern had been changed a few years ago by the precious COO. You are right. He did what he wanted and couldn't care less. Current senior management is quite different, though. NO we are back to 6/5. Why? Because they listened. What relevance do your "warnings" have for sokmebody who is intending to join us now?
So, if you want to be taken seriously: How about a bit of a balanced view? I know you keep saying there is enough of us telling the ups so you need to focus on the downs but I believe that is wrong. It just makes you seem so bitter. In fact it is beyound beliefe how much time you spend coming on here and slagging the company off.
I am the first to admit that there still are a number of issues to address: pension, part time etc.
However, I am quite happy here overall and it bothers me if somebody keeps on badmouthing the company using problems from the past, not present.
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Netjetter, feel free to believe me or not. I'm touched that you are concerned about my being bitter but trust me, I'm fine.
I never tried to say that old problems were just that but I do not believe that your new management is that different from the old. After all they answer to the same people in London and the States who allowed their predecessors free rein. If you think these people care much about you then you are mistaken. There are also still a few of the old guard fighting to keep their positions (which frankly they should never have held in the first place) and the worst offender who everyone celebrated the passing of is still in fact working behind the scenes as a 'consultant'.
I'm sorry but they did not give you the 6/5 because you asked for it. If they are so benign why was this not immediately reinstated the moment the previous COO was gone? Why the two year delay? Because they had to give something when it became clear that crew were resigning. In the busy period crew run out of hours after five days anyway so 'giving' this cost them little if anything.
Why are they still not counting ALL positioning time as duty? This used to be the case but was removed by previous management who are long gone. Enough crew told the HR interviewers this was what they wanted and the company sure as hell know this would be unacceptable if a crew were ramped in most countries yet it continues.
Many people requested adequate pension arrangements, did you get those? Of course not, that would cost money.
In reality they have given you very little and will continue to drip feed concessions as and when they have to. It is even easier to see this from the outside these days, maybe you should try it? After all, as you yourself have said I do seem to have a lot of free time on my hands these days.
Now if you will excuse me it is the weekend, the tide is favourable and the sun is over the yardarm.
I never tried to say that old problems were just that but I do not believe that your new management is that different from the old. After all they answer to the same people in London and the States who allowed their predecessors free rein. If you think these people care much about you then you are mistaken. There are also still a few of the old guard fighting to keep their positions (which frankly they should never have held in the first place) and the worst offender who everyone celebrated the passing of is still in fact working behind the scenes as a 'consultant'.
I'm sorry but they did not give you the 6/5 because you asked for it. If they are so benign why was this not immediately reinstated the moment the previous COO was gone? Why the two year delay? Because they had to give something when it became clear that crew were resigning. In the busy period crew run out of hours after five days anyway so 'giving' this cost them little if anything.
Why are they still not counting ALL positioning time as duty? This used to be the case but was removed by previous management who are long gone. Enough crew told the HR interviewers this was what they wanted and the company sure as hell know this would be unacceptable if a crew were ramped in most countries yet it continues.
Many people requested adequate pension arrangements, did you get those? Of course not, that would cost money.
In reality they have given you very little and will continue to drip feed concessions as and when they have to. It is even easier to see this from the outside these days, maybe you should try it? After all, as you yourself have said I do seem to have a lot of free time on my hands these days.
Now if you will excuse me it is the weekend, the tide is favourable and the sun is over the yardarm.
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In the 10 years that NJE has existed, there have been 5 managements!!! Each new management that comes, is not interested in puting things right. Doing it would cost tons of money and their bonus would be gone. I imagine that when these managers see how twisted and over complicated the set up is, they just decide to follow along and not make any REAL changes. Maybe if they try they wouln´t be arround too long. Its a bit of a vicious circle that feeds itself. A bit of an avalanche, the further it goes the bigger it gets! We now have 700 pilots and the "avalanche" is reaching monumental proportions. Nobody wants to get in the way. We are hireing pilots very quickly and its getting even bigger!
