NJE Suspend Another Captain

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Training captains are welcome back.

[Smeagel]

Originally Posted by gone til november

Smeagal
As usual your talking out of your jet pipe.
Try speaking to the pilots involved, get the facts and then you may apologise for your last comments.
Another pint mon amis?????

What makes you think I have not spoken to those concerned? Or even those in Lisbon? You haven't a clue, have you?

If I am SO wrong why don't you enlighten me? Let us hear the 'official' Lisbon version then. I could do with a laugh.


austrian71. I did not say you were stone throwing. Your comment "each of us is sitting in a glas house and should be careful with throwing stones" implied that you thought that some people were. I merely pointed out that they were not.

[gone till november]

What makes you think I have not spoken to those concerned? Or even those in Lisbon? You haven't a clue, have you?

Smeagal

I have spoken to both involved and flew with one of them post the event so i suppose that qualifies me to call you a liar. Keep your beak out of what you dont know and stop stirring the ****. We all know why you no longer work for NJE so go and find another ring for you to stick your finger in and smell what gives.

Both the guys involved have learnt from their mistakes and want to get on with their careers.......can you say the same for yourself!

Awaiting another of your devil may give a **** answers that really shows the child in you off quite clearly.

Language Doris! There's women & children here! Cool it before that vein on your forehead explodes. Carry on; slow ahead both. 4HP

[Smeagel]

Warning duly noted 4HP. On my best behaviour

Originally Posted by november

I have spoken to both involved and flew with one of them post the event so i suppose that qualifies me to call you a liar

So for me to be a liar you would have to be the only person to have spoken to them or anyone in Lisbon? Neat trick!!! How did you prevent them all from talking? Rohypnol?

Lisbon leaks like a bloody sieve and most of the old guard there could not keep a secret if their very lives depended upon it. Some of the people you revere are fighting to retain their little corners in the belief that their old military rank entitles them to their position for life irrespective of their blatant inability to lead or manage. Sadly their limited capabilities, dubious from the outset, are just not up to the current day task. If you haven't twigged that yet they really have snowballed you.

Let's face it november. You're a newb to Netjets and grateful to be there whereas some of us have a far deeper and extensive knowledge of the company that has granted you sanctuary. I'll bet you believe those emails from London and Lisbon. "We've made a profit. Well done everyone. Well done. By the way you're not getting a bean". Sound familiar? Of course it does, you just won't admit it yet. Perhaps even to yourself but sooner or later the truth will dawn. Noticed how some of the previous defenders of NJE no longer stand up for them? Hmmm? Yep, they've seen the light.

Me? I'm laughing like a drain at the continued antics of your saviour company, thankfully from the outside. It just pains me to see them abusing some very good people in the process.

Originally Posted by november

I have spoken to both involved and flew with one of them post the event

Well you could hardly have flown with the other one, could you? The poor guy is still sitting on the ground because he dared to not roll over and take his kicking from Lisbon.

Originally Posted by AngryDoris

We all know why you no longer work for NJE

Yep. Found a much better deal. Where's the secret in that?

[gone till november]

4HP......sorry! rightful spanking duly noted.

Now back to the thread poo stirrer.

As usual smeaggy you are wrong and late with your hatred and vittriol.

Both captains are now flying and as said before they just want to get on with their careers and have learnt from their mistakes......can you honestly say you have?

If you think over a year is new then yes i am and yes i do love my job and spend my time being happy and positive. Nothing worse than spending 6 days with someone like you so i thank you for getting yourself sacked so i dont have to fly with a bore.

Netjet pilots are a capabale bunch of guys and gals and WE do a great job getting it around. I fly with good guys and at least the company is trying to make the deal better. Im sure when you get sacked from your present company (again) that you will slag them and NJE off as well.

I dont want a nobody like you making out what i do for a living as a sham. You insult me and other hard working guys with your inaccurate and inane hate filled comments.

Now i dont know if your parents didnt like you or give you the attention you craved. But you really need to get over what ever it is buzzing around in your head or up your wazoo and move on. NJE has and your not missed.

The poor guy is still sitting on the ground because he dared to not roll over and take his kicking from Lisbon.

Again not true. As i said i have spoken to said pilot and your talking from your 'arris.

Yep. Found a much better deal. Where's the secret in that?

If thats true then why are you so interested in the past. Move on its really becoming boreing.

whereas some of us have a far deeper and extensive knowledge of the company that has granted you sanctuary

What a sanctimonoius little turd you are and note it should be "some of us HAD a far deeper" etc etc. As you say you've moved on, well so has NJE.

Now you can try and get personal with me but your knadgers just arent big enough so quit while you THINK your ahead.

I am really bored now so im off for a pint.

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GTN,

One captain was released back to flying ages ago.

The other, today.

[Smeagel]

Originally Posted by gone til november

some random guesses

I love it when people go fishing. Last time someone claimed to know who I am I was supposed to be the ex-COO. Then I was the Commercial Director. Now I'm.....well, I'm not quite sure but it all sounds jolly interesting.


Both pilots are NOW flying. One was not when I posted. So how was I wrong? I'm glad both have been reinstated, that is as it should have been long ago. The point was and still is that as before management immediately went looking for someone to blame. Answer this for me would you? A straightforward one word answer. Yes or no. Do you agree that the pilots concerned should have been removed from flying duties for as long as they were? Yes or no?


As for getting personal........

Originally Posted by gone til november

As usual your talking out of your jet pipe.................go and find another ring for you to stick your finger in and smell what gives............your devil may give a **** answers that really shows the child in you off quite clearly...........What a sanctimonoius little turd you are............a nobody like you ........Nothing worse than spending 6 days with someone like you .....

I'm getting personal and acting childish? Would you like a Band-Aid for that smoking hole in your foot?

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Smeagal

A reasoned response for which a reasoned answer shall be given.

One was not when I posted. So how was I wrong?

He started flying the DAY you posted. Your contacts were obviously not up to speed on this one. I just used some of your tactics to stir it up a bit.

Yes i agree that they should have been grounded pending an investigation.

No i dont agree with how long one of them was suspended for.

management immediately went looking for someone to blame

What did you expect them to do, of course they wanted some one to blame a Ģ1.5m was just buggered. The method it was done maybe up for debate but not the levels of mis-information you have provided.

As i have said before the guys have learnt from this incident and so should we and just leave them to get on with the daiy grind. Both are good lads and its wrong to smear their reputations in this manner as they're not managers or those types that put themselves in the limelight and deserve scrutiny.

As for getting personal i can and will apologise (except the sanctimonious little turd comment) and dont mind if you do or dont as sometimes you have to fight fire with fire and i understand that

I know your not the ex COO etc etc so safe flying old bean

[Smeagel]

Oh dear.

I originally posted on the 13th. Pilot reinstated a couple of days later. No, I'm not claiming the credit.

Originally Posted by Smeagel

management immediately went looking for someone to blame

Originally Posted by gone til november

What did you expect them to do, of course they wanted some one to blame a Ģ1.5m (engine?) was just buggered

My point exactly. Blame. Should anyone accidentally damage a NJE aircraft in the future the first thought through their head will be "Can I get away with not reporting this?". Human nature. It happened with the North Africa level bust (before your time) when people clammed up. Is that a safety culture?

Originally Posted by gone til november

As i have said before the guys have learnt from this incident

They sure have.

Before leaving this I'll just refer back a bit to where you said "You insult me and other hard working guys with your inaccurate and inane hate filled comments." Nowhere have I ever insulted the rank and file. There are some excellent people in the company who avert (commercial) disaster on a daily basis. Sadly they are let down by some of their management and others in Lisbon whose cock-ups are not so visible. Then when the inevitable happens Lisbon go looking for someone to, in your words, blame. The good fleet managers can only protect them (you) so far. Hardly a warm and fuzzy feeling is it?

Glad both are now back to work.

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Sadly they are let down by some of their management and others in Lisbon whose cock-ups are not so visible.

Thats Aviation, infact thats every company that I and everybody i know has ever worked for.

There is no utopian job as everything has a caveat attached. My job is just to get on with it while keeping a weary eye on whats going on (despite your assumtions that i dont know whats going on in Lisbon).

Nowhere have I ever insulted the rank and file

No you havent directly insulted the "rank and file" but you do with your constant little snipes about a company that many of us and even the hardened are happy to work for as we live a pretty good life. Note some have moved on and want to come back so the grass is etc etc

Hardly a warm and fuzzy feeling is it?

This was a problem. As time went by people were beginning to ask questions and many chaps thought that the bad old days were back. But that was not the case.

Your hatred of NJE is well noted and even if you think your demise was unfair take it like a man and move onwards and upwards.

As you say im just glad both are working.

[2604]

Smeagel said: "Noticed how some of the previous defenders of NJE no longer stand up for them?"

Not quite right Sir. If your life revolves around "Pee...pee...peepprune", not all of ours do. At least as far as I'm concerned (I wouldn't like to speak for others as I understand you seem to be doing) I'm not "Open all hours" for this site.

I do not post very often but this does not mean, Sir, that I think Netjets stinks. Far from it Sir, far from it. Netjets is the dog's b

Did you understand this message Smeagle?

gone till november, paranoid people are very difficult to deal with. And not worth the effort if you're not an expert in the field. Take it easy.

LONG LIVE NETJETS!!!

[Smeagel]

Originally Posted by gone til november

if you think your demise was unfair take it like a man and move onwards and upwards

There you go again. Try a smaller hook, lighter line and maybe different bait.

As for the blame culture I truly hope you are right. The thing is it existed for so long and in such a virulent form it is going to be some time before everyone believes it. If you had seen so many promises made and broken by the company maybe you would be a tad cynical too.



2604. The company cheer team is no longer what it was, a change evident from around the time the tax and pay were changed.

I'm glad for you that you are happy. Obviously it is better there than you are used to. If things continue to improve it may become a career rather than the stepping stone many see it as in its present form. Some of us decided not to wait and find out.

My life spent on here? Hardly. In fact I'm off sailing for a week or two. No 'net access there. See?

[manligsak]

blame, bleame

perhaps im too drunk anf should noot wirete, in any case, i say there r a lot of people with a lot of different nneds and if we just left it at that it would b ok........

[Flintstone]

^^^^^^^ Best post of the entire thread!

Hope the hangover isn't too bad manligsak.

[natops]

agree totally with flinstone, finally sombody who speaks out what he really thinks...

it must be true..

N.

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I must say that post by manligsak has to be the clearest and most direct post I've ever read. I'm voting him for poster of the year and I think I'll make a suggestion to Lisboa that he writes our Part A & B.

Pure gold.

[transilvana]

Manlisgak, you are completely right!!!!! post of the year? yep....

Anyhow, I tried NJE a couple of months ago but was rejected, Iīve reading NJE posts for a long time, since the beggining of the forum and found good and bad things about the company. Let me get the impression first:

NJE has a hughe problem with management, and I mean non pilot positions, probably their Director Plan is not well designed, there are many spots on it. They push pilot management too far away into the limits and thatīs not good. You are managing a company and you have to attach to certain rules impossed by the law (training, flight time.....) and let the pilot management positions do their jobs.

On the Pilot management positions get pilots with a good background on leading teams, not just because you were military or have 10.000 hours you are the best, probably a person with a good background on ground management or leading a supermarket with 500 people working on it and having a good university training on bussiness aviation, and leave that person do his job. Leading well a team is more important than fly an ILS by the book.

NJE is a big company now, there are and there will be pilot mistakes, ops mistakes and more, solve them in a straight manner, but do not push people, you will only get bad results and thatīs for sure, p.e: I can shoot a VFR app or stick to the full app always and F... the company so I spend more money on fuel and aircraft time.

Anyway, my impression is that when they were a new company mistakes were ok at the beggining, but everything in aviation has already been invented, so donīt try new things, just get the good ones that already work. Itīs a great company, just needs a little polishing...

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manligsak

Sorry i disagree.

I was not prepared to stand back and watch a mates reputation destroyed by somebody who's working off second or third hand versions of the truth or more accurately un-truthes.

Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted.

2604

gone till november, paranoid people are very difficult to deal with. And not worth the effort if you're not an expert in the field. Take it easy

Your probably right but read the above and you'll know where im comming from. Note that there was no stress just much enjoyment from putting smeagal in his place.

Transilvana

Itīs a great company, just needs a little polishing

Your absolutely right and i think that they are trying but just have some way to go.

Now maybe its time to put a line under it as the captain involved has and maybe we should all respect that.

Safe flying ya'awl

[Smeagel]

Originally Posted by gone til november

Note that there was no stress just much enjoyment from putting smeagal in his place.

Ohhhhh, that's what you were trying to do. Funny because to me and a few others it looked a lot like you losing your temper.

You need a cruise. Ask nicely and I'll take you with me but be quick as I'm casting off in 3....2....1





Too late.

[gone till november]

Smeaggy old chap

Knew your pride would make you fall for it, hook line and sinker.

Dont get too close to the Bermuda Triangle we wouldnt want you to disappear too soon now would we

Too chilled to care anymore

TTFN