Ford Air's (ex)-BBJ's
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Ford Air's (ex)-BBJ's
I'm intrigued as to why Ford Air(UK) are already flogging the BBJ's and, as I hear it, looking to replace them with 737-300's or -700's. What's wrong with the BBJ's? Does it come down to capacity?
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Given the relatively short runs around Europe, perhaps the BBJ just isn't being used up to its full-range potential... Unlike Daimler's A319CJ... I suppose there are a lot of surplus 737-300s and 737-4/500s around that might have the right capacity/range mix for that type of operation - and they are probably cheaper than a BBJ...
Is that true Stresfree? What is the status of your BBJ programme at Fordair? Any news?
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Is that true Stresfree? What is the status of your BBJ programme at Fordair? Any news?
. .Cheers
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Pop into your local Ford dealer and he'll be glad to give you a spec sheet. Here, I'll save you the trouble:
[quote]BOEING BBJ, Serial Number 30753, Technical Specifications. . . .AIRCRAFT DATA (January, 2002). .Date of Manufacture: November, 2000. .Cycles: 825 Landings. .Total Time Airframe: 834:40 Hours. .Engine Model: CFMI CFM56-7B27-B3. .Engine SN 877225 Total FH: 834:40 Hours. .Engine SN 877225 Total FC: 825 Hours. .Engine SN 877231 Total FH: 834:40 Hours. .Engine SN 877231 Total FC: 825 Hours. .APU Model: Honeywell 131-9B. .APU Cycles: 1,436. .APU Hours: 1,357 Hours . .AVIONICS. .HF Transceiver: Rockwell Collins. .VHF COM Transceiver: Rockwell Collins. .Cockpit Voice Recorder: L-3. .Tape Reproducer: Matsu****a. .ACARS Unit: Teledyne. .Aero H / H+ SATCOM: Aero H / H+ SATCOM. .Entertainment System: IEC. .Airshow 400: Airshow. .SELCAL Decoder: Coltech. .Ground Proximity Warning Computer: Honeywell. .Windshear System Installed: Yes. .Air Data Inertial Reference Unit: Honeywell. .DME Interrogator: Rockwell Collins. .Muti-Mode Receiver: Rockwell Collins. .Radio Altimeter Transceiver: Rockwell Collins. .Weather Radar Transceiver: Rockwell Collins. .TCAS Computer: Rockwell Collins. .ATC Transponder: Rockwell Collins. .VOR/Marker Beacon Receiver: Rockwell Collins. .ADF Receiver: Rockwell Collins. .Head Up Display: Flight Dynamics. .Digital Flight Data Recorder: L-3. .Digital Flight Data Acquisition Unit: Teledyne . .FLIGHT GUIDANCE SYSTEMS . .Flight Control Computer: Honeywell. .Autothrottle Computer: Smiths . .FEATURES. .5 Long Range Tanks Installed (with provisions for 6th). .Still Air Range with full Pax (120) - 3750 NM. .Still Air Range with 80 pax – 4500 NM. .Winglets installed. .NAVLINK installed. .CAT IIIA . .INSPECTIONS. ."A2" Check (Per CAMP) Jan 1, 2002 6 Months Remaining. ."C1" Check (Per CAMP) Jan 1, 2004 24 Months Remaining . .INTERIOR120 Seat Tourist Class Interior. Satcom Communications System. Entertainment Systems with Over-Head LCD Video Monitors, DVD/CD, VHS Player. 3 Galleys. 1 Forward and 2 Aft Lavatories With Vacuum Pump System. . .EXTERIOROverall White With Charcoal and Platinum Accent Stripes.
BOEING BBJ, Serial Number 30755, Technical Specifications. . . .AIRCRAFT DATA (January, 2002). .Date of Manufacture: May 5, 2000. .Cycles: 835 Landings. .Total Time Airframe: 861:51 Hours. .Engine Model: CFMI CFM56-7B27-B3. .Engine SN 876358 Total FH: 861:51 Hours. .Engine SN 876358 Total FC: 835 Hours. .Engine SN 876360 Total FH: 861:51 Hours. .Engine SN 876360 Total FC: 835 Hours. .APU Model: Honeywell 131-9B. .APU Cycles: 1385. .APU Hours: 1286 Hours . .AVIONICS. .HF Transceiver: Rockwell Collins. .VHF COM Transceiver: Rockwell Collins. .Cockpit Voice Recorder: L-3. .Tape Reproducer: Matsu****a. .ACARS Unit: Teledyne. .Aero H / H+ SATCOM: Aero H / H+ SATCOM. .Entertainment System: IEC. .Airshow 400: Airshow. .SELCAL Decoder: Coltech. .Ground Proximity Warning Computer: Honeywell. .Windshear System Installed: Yes. .Air Data Inertial Reference Unit: Honeywell. .DME Interrogator: Rockwell Collins. .Muti-Mode Receiver: Rockwell Collins. .Radio Altimeter Transceiver: Rockwell Collins. .Weather Radar Transceiver: Rockwell Collins. .TCAS Computer: Rockwell Collins. .ATC Transponder: Rockwell Collins. .VOR/Marker Beacon Receiver: Rockwell Collins. .ADF Receiver: Rockwell Collins. .Head Up Display: Flight Dynamics. .Digital Flight Data Recorder: L-3. .Digital Flight Data Acquisition Unit: Teledyne . .FLIGHT GUIDANCE SYSTEMS . .Flight Control Computer: Honeywell. .Autothrottle Computer: Smiths . .FEATURES. .5 Long Range Tanks Installed (with provisions for 6th). .Still Air Range with full Pax (120) - 3750 NM. .Still Air Range with 80 pax – 4500 NM. .Winglets installed. .NAVLINK installed. .CAT IIIA . .INSPECTIONS. ."A2" Check (Per CAMP) Jan 1, 2002 6 Months Remaining. ."C1" Check (Per CAMP) Jan 1, 2004 24 Months Remaining . .INTERIOR120 Seat Tourist Class Interior. Satcom Communications System. Entertainment Systems with Over-Head LCD Video Monitors, DVD/CD, VHS Player. 3 Galleys. 1 Forward and 2 Aft Lavatories With Vacuum Pump System. . .EXTERIOROverall White With Charcoal and Platinum Accent Stripes.<hr></blockquote>
[quote]BOEING BBJ, Serial Number 30753, Technical Specifications. . . .AIRCRAFT DATA (January, 2002). .Date of Manufacture: November, 2000. .Cycles: 825 Landings. .Total Time Airframe: 834:40 Hours. .Engine Model: CFMI CFM56-7B27-B3. .Engine SN 877225 Total FH: 834:40 Hours. .Engine SN 877225 Total FC: 825 Hours. .Engine SN 877231 Total FH: 834:40 Hours. .Engine SN 877231 Total FC: 825 Hours. .APU Model: Honeywell 131-9B. .APU Cycles: 1,436. .APU Hours: 1,357 Hours . .AVIONICS. .HF Transceiver: Rockwell Collins. .VHF COM Transceiver: Rockwell Collins. .Cockpit Voice Recorder: L-3. .Tape Reproducer: Matsu****a. .ACARS Unit: Teledyne. .Aero H / H+ SATCOM: Aero H / H+ SATCOM. .Entertainment System: IEC. .Airshow 400: Airshow. .SELCAL Decoder: Coltech. .Ground Proximity Warning Computer: Honeywell. .Windshear System Installed: Yes. .Air Data Inertial Reference Unit: Honeywell. .DME Interrogator: Rockwell Collins. .Muti-Mode Receiver: Rockwell Collins. .Radio Altimeter Transceiver: Rockwell Collins. .Weather Radar Transceiver: Rockwell Collins. .TCAS Computer: Rockwell Collins. .ATC Transponder: Rockwell Collins. .VOR/Marker Beacon Receiver: Rockwell Collins. .ADF Receiver: Rockwell Collins. .Head Up Display: Flight Dynamics. .Digital Flight Data Recorder: L-3. .Digital Flight Data Acquisition Unit: Teledyne . .FLIGHT GUIDANCE SYSTEMS . .Flight Control Computer: Honeywell. .Autothrottle Computer: Smiths . .FEATURES. .5 Long Range Tanks Installed (with provisions for 6th). .Still Air Range with full Pax (120) - 3750 NM. .Still Air Range with 80 pax – 4500 NM. .Winglets installed. .NAVLINK installed. .CAT IIIA . .INSPECTIONS. ."A2" Check (Per CAMP) Jan 1, 2002 6 Months Remaining. ."C1" Check (Per CAMP) Jan 1, 2004 24 Months Remaining . .INTERIOR120 Seat Tourist Class Interior. Satcom Communications System. Entertainment Systems with Over-Head LCD Video Monitors, DVD/CD, VHS Player. 3 Galleys. 1 Forward and 2 Aft Lavatories With Vacuum Pump System. . .EXTERIOROverall White With Charcoal and Platinum Accent Stripes.
BOEING BBJ, Serial Number 30755, Technical Specifications. . . .AIRCRAFT DATA (January, 2002). .Date of Manufacture: May 5, 2000. .Cycles: 835 Landings. .Total Time Airframe: 861:51 Hours. .Engine Model: CFMI CFM56-7B27-B3. .Engine SN 876358 Total FH: 861:51 Hours. .Engine SN 876358 Total FC: 835 Hours. .Engine SN 876360 Total FH: 861:51 Hours. .Engine SN 876360 Total FC: 835 Hours. .APU Model: Honeywell 131-9B. .APU Cycles: 1385. .APU Hours: 1286 Hours . .AVIONICS. .HF Transceiver: Rockwell Collins. .VHF COM Transceiver: Rockwell Collins. .Cockpit Voice Recorder: L-3. .Tape Reproducer: Matsu****a. .ACARS Unit: Teledyne. .Aero H / H+ SATCOM: Aero H / H+ SATCOM. .Entertainment System: IEC. .Airshow 400: Airshow. .SELCAL Decoder: Coltech. .Ground Proximity Warning Computer: Honeywell. .Windshear System Installed: Yes. .Air Data Inertial Reference Unit: Honeywell. .DME Interrogator: Rockwell Collins. .Muti-Mode Receiver: Rockwell Collins. .Radio Altimeter Transceiver: Rockwell Collins. .Weather Radar Transceiver: Rockwell Collins. .TCAS Computer: Rockwell Collins. .ATC Transponder: Rockwell Collins. .VOR/Marker Beacon Receiver: Rockwell Collins. .ADF Receiver: Rockwell Collins. .Head Up Display: Flight Dynamics. .Digital Flight Data Recorder: L-3. .Digital Flight Data Acquisition Unit: Teledyne . .FLIGHT GUIDANCE SYSTEMS . .Flight Control Computer: Honeywell. .Autothrottle Computer: Smiths . .FEATURES. .5 Long Range Tanks Installed (with provisions for 6th). .Still Air Range with full Pax (120) - 3750 NM. .Still Air Range with 80 pax – 4500 NM. .Winglets installed. .NAVLINK installed. .CAT IIIA . .INSPECTIONS. ."A2" Check (Per CAMP) Jan 1, 2002 6 Months Remaining. ."C1" Check (Per CAMP) Jan 1, 2004 24 Months Remaining . .INTERIOR120 Seat Tourist Class Interior. Satcom Communications System. Entertainment Systems with Over-Head LCD Video Monitors, DVD/CD, VHS Player. 3 Galleys. 1 Forward and 2 Aft Lavatories With Vacuum Pump System. . .EXTERIOROverall White With Charcoal and Platinum Accent Stripes.<hr></blockquote>
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The BBJ's were bought in order to serve routes between America and Europe. The company has however decided not to operate these routes and stick to the European schedules. Therefore its not necessary to have long range aircraft to serve short haul routes. Also asset management considerations are influencing these decisions.. .Its as simple as that............... .I flew one of the BBJ's this morning and still find it an outstanding machine and such a joy to fly. It will be a shame to see them go.
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Stressfree,
I am sorry to hear the news. The need for large aircraft for transport in Europe has been demonstrated, so, the BBJs will likely be replaced with comparably-sized aircraft...
Look at it this way, most corporate flyers would kill for the opportunity to fly a BBJ ONCE - myself included. You have had that opportunity (in addition to flying a racy GIV). You have been blessed with that rare opportunity as a result.
I am anxious to hear what you guys will be driving next. Any idea on the timetable?
Stressfree, any chance you could take some pictures of the BBJ (including flightdeck) and post them here? I have seen some random pictures on airliners.net, but I'd love to see some more...
. .Best of luck and keep your chins up (you guys are more fortunate than most)!
I am sorry to hear the news. The need for large aircraft for transport in Europe has been demonstrated, so, the BBJs will likely be replaced with comparably-sized aircraft...
Look at it this way, most corporate flyers would kill for the opportunity to fly a BBJ ONCE - myself included. You have had that opportunity (in addition to flying a racy GIV). You have been blessed with that rare opportunity as a result.
I am anxious to hear what you guys will be driving next. Any idea on the timetable?
Stressfree, any chance you could take some pictures of the BBJ (including flightdeck) and post them here? I have seen some random pictures on airliners.net, but I'd love to see some more...
. .Best of luck and keep your chins up (you guys are more fortunate than most)!
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Lavdumper,. .Sorry for being a bit thick but how do I post photos on this site?. .The most likely replacement for the BBJ's will be standard 737's so it won't make too much difference to us. You're right about our good fortune in being able to fly some great planes, it easy to forget what the outside world is like!. .Best regards.
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Stressfree,
Glad to hear prospects still look quite rosy for you guys.
As far as posting the picturs - I am not sure how to do that... Anyone out there who can provide some suggestions? I've seen pictures posted here before. HELP US PLEASE!!!!!!
Kinda scary - I can program an FMS but I can't work the Internet....
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Glad to hear prospects still look quite rosy for you guys.
As far as posting the picturs - I am not sure how to do that... Anyone out there who can provide some suggestions? I've seen pictures posted here before. HELP US PLEASE!!!!!!
Kinda scary - I can program an FMS but I can't work the Internet....
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The G4 looks the part, but the BBJ is a much simpler machine to operate. I think they will still be operating out of Stansted on the 35th anniversary of Fordair.
Onwards and upwards.
Onwards and upwards.
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Given the configuration(internally) of the Fordair BBJ's, new B737/738s will appear fairly similar.. .In any event the BBJ and BBJ2 continue to be a popular choice at the "big end" of town.. .SF, perhaps Fordair to are going to start another discount airline? <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
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Well my choice would have to go the the B717-200. It's a lot cheaper than buying and operating 737's and carries the same loads as the current BBJ. Now that Boeing has decided to continue producing the 717, maybe they are willing to make some good deals for somebody willing to purchase several. At last report, American will be returning all 30 of theirs back to Boeing by second or third quarter and if Midwest Express doesn't pick them up as part of their 50 aircraft order, Boeing surly would like to see those aircraft back out in the marketplace with somebody else. Besides, who want's to fly an old 737? <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
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//unlurk mode// Hi guys, you'll need a website to upload the images onto and then link to that with the URL of the image. To get this, right click on the image, select Properties, copy the URL and then Paste it in the body of your message underneath your text or whatever.//lurk mode//
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sorry to hear the BBJ's are going,. .I saw one on climb out this morning as I drove. .around the perimeter to work,. .climbing like a homesick angel sprang to mind, it just. .looks so efficient,. .everyone knows blended winglets are best !!
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have fun,
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Ithought foronemomentyou were all talking about a friendofmine,Rex Fordwho runs Fordair at Sywell!! Still if anyonesinterested he runs aperfect Dragon Dominee,might be a bit slow for your average exec trip but it would remind you what real flying was !!
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Thank god you are out of here with that kind of spelling!
Was that esperanto, or do you just have a touch of the shakes???
Must be all that travelling in old airplanes I think!
Was that esperanto, or do you just have a touch of the shakes???
Must be all that travelling in old airplanes I think!
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Pistongone,. .'remind you what real flying is all about' - oh dear! Not all this sad old tosh again. . .Real flying is about state-of-the-art powerful aircraft, dont let anyone tell you otherwise. May I suggest that you visit a therapist to sort yourself out...........
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LAV is right. The profile changed. They are using them on airline-style ops between England and EDDK a lot of the time. Scheduled and everything. Might be interesting for them to add capacity with regular 737 and lose the weight of BBJ stuff. Wouldn't it be cheapest to charter somebodies a/c like LH-Cityline's for the job? They certainly could provide a 70 seater getting bigger ones soon.